some good cardinal quotes for the upcoming series...

[TruffleShuffle]

Grudz basically says that things haven't worked out for the Cubs. Well........ have they?

 

That doesn't mean he should be saying it. Shut your mouth and play for the team you're with. The Dodgers didn't finish higher than third in 2001 or 2002, then after they dumped Grudz they moved up to second in 2003 and won the division in 2004. I didn't hear him making any observations that they improved their chances by trading him away. I really don't have a problem with what he said except for the last line, where he told the reporter that the moves haven't worked out for the Cubs. It sounds very self-serving and makes him sound bitter that they didn't want him back... not having Mark Grudzielanek is really the least of the Cubs' problems. If he were as good as Todd Walker, I'm sure they would have been happy to have him return.

 

 

As for "teaching Morris a lesson", my advice is to do it on the field, with the bats. That's the problem with the Cubs. They're more concerned about "proving a point", as opposed to proving their a good team.

 

They can't prove they're a good team because they're not a good team. I'm glad that an outsider can draw wild conclusions about the mentality of the Cubs, though.

[1wizard]

UK wrote:

Zambrano deserved what he got as far as the ejection, but he had no reason to throw at Edmonds, but if I was a Cards fan I'd want one of my pitchers to throw at Z.

 

The Cubs deserve their fair of the blame as well in the past, right now, Morris does. I never understood why a pitcher would throw at a hitter that wasn't a pitcher, despite being guilty of it myself.

 

I hope the Cubs do something to bring back some life, it if takes putting a couple of Cards on the ground, so be it. If the standings don't motivate the Cubs, they have to find a way to do it.

 

I do not want the Cardinal pitchers to throw at anyone unless warrented (bean ball after a hr, etc..). To me the brush back pitch is just as affective and you make your point. And I don't think Zambrano is deserving of such a pitch because he is no real threat as a hitter. If you want to send a message it has to be at ARam or D. Lee. Those are the studs on the team just like Albert and Jimmy.

[jaydee]

TLR saying grudz is the best 2b in the league? Hilarious. He is average or below. This is almost as bad as everyone saying Carpenter should win the Cy Young because his offense has scored more runs for him than Clemens' has.

[UK1679666180]

UK wrote:

Zambrano deserved what he got as far as the ejection, but he had no reason to throw at Edmonds, but if I was a Cards fan I'd want one of my pitchers to throw at Z.

 

The Cubs deserve their fair of the blame as well in the past, right now, Morris does. I never understood why a pitcher would throw at a hitter that wasn't a pitcher, despite being guilty of it myself.

 

I hope the Cubs do something to bring back some life, it if takes putting a couple of Cards on the ground, so be it. If the standings don't motivate the Cubs, they have to find a way to do it.

 

I do not want the Cardinal pitchers to throw at anyone unless warrented (bean ball after a hr, etc..). To me the brush back pitch is just as affective and you make your point. And I don't think Zambrano is deserving of such a pitch because he is no real threat as a hitter. If you want to send a message it has to be at ARam or D. Lee. Those are the studs on the team just like Albert and Jimmy.

 

Players throw at other players all the time, in '03 when Haren was bunting and Clement knocked him on his "insert", Haren responded by hitting Clement in the leg. That wasn't an accident, that was a purpose pitch, I don't think it was dirty. I assume LaRussa or Duncan were behind it after the Cubs pitchers had knocked down several Cards batters during the 5 game series. I do find ironic, how the writer of "3 nights in August" comments how LaRussa has spoken out about purpose pitches.

 

Of course, that same blowhole mentions those with a "MBA" and the moneyball philosophy are taking over the game, how those who have played the game need to take the game back. This coming from some writer who has never played the game, what validates his opinion, what has he done in baseball? It's great he knows how to use multiple metaphors, he should use them to describe the soap-box he is on.

 

I want the Cubs to be more aggressive, they didn't have the talent to compete with STL in '03, but they had the moxie, this year they don't have the moxie or the talent. If it takes some purpose pitches to put some spark into the Cubs, so be it...

 

I never understood the idea of throwing at someone other than the pitcher, if it is in retaliation of the oppositing pitcher throwing at a batter if the teams are playing in the NL>

[wolf stansson]

TLR saying grudz is the best 2b in the league? Hilarious. He is average or below. This is almost as bad as everyone saying Carpenter should win the Cy Young because his offense has scored more runs for him than Clemens' has.

Average or below? Hmm...

I'd say he's in the top 10 which would put him above average.

 

Also, don't open the Carpenter - Clemens can of worms. That's another argument altogether and deserves it's own thread if you want to discuss it.

[UK1679666180]

Counsell has had a better year, Walker, Luis Castillo, Giles, Kent, Utley, Biggio, Freel, and Durham. That's not including the health of issues of Vidro and the potential of Weeks, who I'd rate as better 2B than Grudz.

 

That's only the NL.

[wolf stansson]

Counsell has had a better year, Biggio, Freel, and Durham. That's not including the health of issues of Vidro and the potential of Weeks, who I'd rate as better 2B than Grudz.

That's only the NL.

I would tend to agree with you if I saw those guys stats. Unfortunately I'm lazy and will only go from what I've seen and say Grudz is having a better year.

[UK1679666180]

The stats say all of them are better, except for Vidro who statistically has been better but hasn't played enough.

 

If the stats say they are all better, I'll lean towards that for obvious reasons.

[wolf stansson]

I'll buy it.