40 and 25 man moves

[SaorsaDaonnan]

When Garciaparra returns, a bench guy has to go down. When Williamson comes back, we'll need to dump a guy from the 40 man, and demote a bullpen arm. Then when Wood comes back, another bullpen arm has to go down. All of this is assuming no trades, of course.

 

So what moves do the Cubs make?

 

It seems obvious that Cedeno will go down when Garciaparra comes up, and almost certainly Mitre for Williamson. The other two moves are less clear.

 

First, who's off the 40-man? Koronka is a possibility, but I think Grieve is probably the guy they're likely to choose. They've never seemed that enthusiastic about him, and they'd still have Greenberg as an OF backup.

 

Also, if they're serious about bringing Pie up in September, someone else would have to be removed from the 40-man.

 

The really tough to predict move is when Wood returns (assuming Williamson beats him back...if not, same situation but reverse order). Assuming they keep Rusch and Remlinger around, the choice is between Wuertz and Novoa. Wuertz has been solid most of the season, but he hasn't been very sharp recently (yesterday being an arguable exception). Overuse is my explanation, but would the Cubs agree? Both have exceptional K rates, but Novoa's WHIP is terrible at 1.69 because of 18 walks in 23.1 innings (!). Not that Wuertz looks so great either; his WHIP is sitting at 1.59. However, Novoa's ERA is much lower than Wuertz's, and the Cubs believe in that statistic, so I'd bet on Novoa staying up, at least until his WHIP catches up to him, or his arm falls off.

 

And all of this assumes that the Cubs plan to stick with a 12 man rotation. With Maddux, Williams, and Hill in the rotation, that seems quite likely to be the case through August.

 

Agree? Does this argue for trading away Rusch or Remlinger? To me Rusch has less value than at first glance, and should be dealt, especially since there's such a friendly market right now. Having both Remlinger and Wood in the pen also could present a problem, since niether is an everyday guy. However, Wood could go for at least two innings, and Remmy somedoes does the same. Interesting to consider.

Edited July 30, 2005 by SaorsaDaonnan

[CuseCubFan69]

I think that Hendry will make a deal by the deadline to ease this problem and move a bunch of "tweeners".

[SaorsaDaonnan]

Sorry, I didn't mean to edit just as you were commenting! Not trying to co-opt your response or anything.

 

By tweeners, are you referring to guys like Novoa and Wuertz, or the Rusch and Remlinger group?

[CuseCubFan69]

Sorry, I didn't mean to edit just as you were commenting! Not trying to co-opt your response or anything.

 

By tweeners, are you referring to guys like Novoa and Wuertz, or the Rusch and Remlinger group?

 

The guys that could get bumped of the 40 man or drafted in thye rule 5 next year.

[dacheezwhiz]

first move is to dfa macias

[Warren Brusstar]

first move is to dfa macias

 

I want it to happen, you want it to happen, but we all know that it won't happen. The organization seems to like the guy as a 25th man.

[Illini Iceman]

first move is to dfa macias

 

I want it to happen, you want it to happen, but we all know that it won't happen. The organization seems to like the guy as a 25th man.

 

Yeah, the guy hitting .283 off the bench is just killing this team.

[XZero771679666304]

first move is to dfa macias

 

I want it to happen, you want it to happen, but we all know that it won't happen. The organization seems to like the guy as a 25th man.

 

Yeah, the guy hitting .283 off the bench is just killing this team.

 

If Macias was used like a 25th man should be it wouldn't be a problem. He comes into games way too soon.

[ThePenguin11]

We'll have some spots available after we trade for Manny and Dunn.

[Illini Iceman]

first move is to dfa macias

 

I want it to happen, you want it to happen, but we all know that it won't happen. The organization seems to like the guy as a 25th man.

 

Yeah, the guy hitting .283 off the bench is just killing this team.

 

If Macias was used like a 25th man should be it wouldn't be a problem. He comes into games way too soon.

 

It probably only seems that way. At 92 AB's through 103 games it would be hard to play him much less.

Everyone says Cedeno is rotting on the bench but he has 50 AB's. I don't know what his total games have been on the active roster but I would think that his AB's as a percentage of games he has been on the team are higher than Macias.

Not sure about that - someone would need to check the numbers.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

first move is to dfa macias

 

I want it to happen, you want it to happen, but we all know that it won't happen. The organization seems to like the guy as a 25th man.

 

Yeah, the guy hitting .283 off the bench is just killing this team.

 

If Macias was used like a 25th man should be it wouldn't be a problem. He comes into games way too soon.

 

It probably only seems that way. At 92 AB's through 103 games it would be hard to play him much less.

Everyone says Cedeno is rotting on the bench but he has 50 AB's. I don't know what his total games have been on the active roster but I would think that his AB's as a percentage of games he has been on the team are higher than Macias.

Not sure about that - someone would need to check the numbers.

 

Macias has 99 PA's in 103 games. Cedeno has 53 PA's in 54 games. The percentage is just about the same.

[Illini Iceman]

first move is to dfa macias

 

I want it to happen, you want it to happen, but we all know that it won't happen. The organization seems to like the guy as a 25th man.

 

Yeah, the guy hitting .283 off the bench is just killing this team.

 

If Macias was used like a 25th man should be it wouldn't be a problem. He comes into games way too soon.

 

It probably only seems that way. At 92 AB's through 103 games it would be hard to play him much less.

Everyone says Cedeno is rotting on the bench but he has 50 AB's. I don't know what his total games have been on the active roster but I would think that his AB's as a percentage of games he has been on the team are higher than Macias.

Not sure about that - someone would need to check the numbers.

 

Macias has 99 PA's in 103 games. Cedeno has 53 PA's in 54 games. The percentage is just about the same.

 

So Cedeno's is the same or barely higher yet the perception is that Cedeno has been left rotting on the bench and Macias is used too much to be considered a true 25th man.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

first move is to dfa macias

 

I want it to happen, you want it to happen, but we all know that it won't happen. The organization seems to like the guy as a 25th man.

 

Yeah, the guy hitting .283 off the bench is just killing this team.

 

If Macias was used like a 25th man should be it wouldn't be a problem. He comes into games way too soon.

 

It probably only seems that way. At 92 AB's through 103 games it would be hard to play him much less.

Everyone says Cedeno is rotting on the bench but he has 50 AB's. I don't know what his total games have been on the active roster but I would think that his AB's as a percentage of games he has been on the team are higher than Macias.

Not sure about that - someone would need to check the numbers.

 

Macias has 99 PA's in 103 games. Cedeno has 53 PA's in 54 games. The percentage is just about the same.

 

So Cedeno's is the same or barely higher yet the perception is that Cedeno has been left rotting on the bench and Macias is used too much to be considered a true 25th man.

 

I think that's because Macias gets a much larger portion of his AB's coming off the bench, while Cedeno's PT comes in a once a week start with a PH or two if the bench(including Macias) has already been exhausted.

[wvcbxl]

And all of this assumes that the Cubs plan to stick with a 12 man rotation.

 

A five man rotation will suffice, but I know what you mean. :wink:

 

It's complicated enough as it is. If Hendry makes a move, it'll get even more complicated.

 

I agree it'll be a toss-up between Wuertz and Novoa. My guess is that Wuertz will be sent down.

[Illini Iceman]

And all of this assumes that the Cubs plan to stick with a 12 man rotation.

 

A five man rotation will suffice, but I know what you mean. :wink:

 

It's complicated enough as it is. If Hendry makes a move, it'll get even more complicated.

 

I agree it'll be a toss-up between Wuertz and Novoa. My guess is that Wuertz will be sent down.

 

Wuertz has been brutal. Williamson (if healthy) will be a great upgrade and then Wuertz can come back in September when the roster expands.