Any interest in Manny Ramirez?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Would you consider trading Aramis Ramirez (perhaps packaged with a relief pitcher) for Manny Ramirez and Kevin Youkalis? Youkalis is a really hard nosed "down and dirty" kind of ballplayer who plays a decent 3B and I honestly think if given a starting job would be a good hitter. Manny + Youkalis offense > Aramis

 

NO

 

Really? That's not that horrible a deal now that I think about it.

[Warpticon]

Would you consider trading Aramis Ramirez (perhaps packaged with a relief pitcher) for Manny Ramirez and Kevin Youkalis? Youkalis is a really hard nosed "down and dirty" kind of ballplayer who plays a decent 3B and I honestly think if given a starting job would be a good hitter. Manny + Youkalis offense > Aramis

 

NO

 

Really? That's not that horrible a deal now that I think about it.

 

I didn't think so, either, but after a moment of consideration...

 

If you, as I do, think that our Ramirez is at or nearing the caliber of hitter that their Ramirez is, then essentially you end up trading about 10 million a year for Kevin Youkilis in that deal. That's...not so appealing.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Would you consider trading Aramis Ramirez (perhaps packaged with a relief pitcher) for Manny Ramirez and Kevin Youkalis? Youkalis is a really hard nosed "down and dirty" kind of ballplayer who plays a decent 3B and I honestly think if given a starting job would be a good hitter. Manny + Youkalis offense > Aramis

 

NO

 

Really? That's not that horrible a deal now that I think about it.

 

I didn't think so, either, but after a moment of consideration...

 

If you, as I do, think that our Ramirez is at or nearing the caliber of hitter that their Ramirez is, then essentially you end up trading about 10 million a year for Kevin Youkilis in that deal. That's...not so appealing.

 

I have my doubts about Aramis being able to take enough walks to approach Manny's level of production. But, after thinking some more, the age difference between the Ramirez's probably would dissuade me against that deal.

[sonicdethmonkey0]

Would you consider trading Aramis Ramirez (perhaps packaged with a relief pitcher) for Manny Ramirez and Kevin Youkalis? Youkalis is a really hard nosed "down and dirty" kind of ballplayer who plays a decent 3B and I honestly think if given a starting job would be a good hitter. Manny + Youkalis offense > Aramis

 

NO

 

Really? That's not that horrible a deal now that I think about it.

 

I didn't think so, either, but after a moment of consideration...

 

If you, as I do, think that our Ramirez is at or nearing the caliber of hitter that their Ramirez is, then essentially you end up trading about 10 million a year for Kevin Youkilis in that deal. That's...not so appealing.

 

exactly. also, aramis is several years younger than manny, and is outproducing manny this year as well. i think the marginal difference between the two is not worth the extra 10 million in salary.

[RynoRules]

Agreed that I would not do that deal -ARam is playing at 3B in a way that almost no one else in baseball is.

 

That said, would you do Wood (I know, but forget the "NTC") and Murton for Manny and cash?

[Rusch33]

 

That said, would you do Wood (I know, but forget the "NTC") and Murton for Manny and cash?

.

 

 

In a heartbeat.

[Balsa]

Agreed that I would not do that deal -ARam is playing at 3B in a way that almost no one else in baseball is.

 

That said, would you do Wood (I know, but forget the "NTC") and Murton for Manny and cash?

 

Nope. That's just awful in the long term.

[imb]

Yes, and I wouldnt even make them include the cash. If Epstein did that, he would deserve to be shot.

[treebird]

Yes, and I wouldnt even make them include the cash. If Epstein did that, he would deserve to be shot.

 

that's the thing, unless manny is such a horrible behind the scenes guy that they have NO CHOICE but to move him (stabbing the pitchers in the elbow or something in the clubhouse), i doubt that epstein is going to make a trade that he doesn't come out ahead on.

[erik316wttn]

Yes, and I wouldnt even make them include the cash. If Epstein did that, he would deserve to be shot.

 

that's the thing, unless manny is such a horrible behind the scenes guy that they have NO CHOICE but to move him (stabbing the pitchers in the elbow or something in the clubhouse), i doubt that epstein is going to make a trade that he doesn't come out ahead on.

 

I agree. And even if Manny IS a cancer and needs to get out of Boston, the Red Sox aren't stupid enough to make thier feud with him known (much like the Cubs did with Sammy) and get only a fraction of what they could for him because they'd look desperate.

[shnsajax]

How about

 

Murton

Nomar

Lee

Manny

Aramis

Walker

Pie

Barrett

 

I think his increase in production would allow the Cubs to comfortably play two rookies in the OF. Of course with his salary the Cubs would almost have two. I would really question putting Pie to high in the lineup early in his carrer. However you got to find a slot to untilize his speed.

[CubfaninCA]

Trade them Wood (for salary reasons), Patterson and Murton for Manny.

Then go out and sign Giles.

 

Lineup:

 

CF. Hairston

RF. Giles

LF. Manny

1B. Lee

3B. ARam

2b. Walker

C. Barrett

SS. Cedeno

[erik316wttn]

Trade them Wood (assuming he waives his NTC), Patterson and Murton for Manny.

Then go out and sign Giles.

 

Lineup:

 

CF. Hairston

RF. Giles

LF. Manny

1B. Lee

3B. ARam

2b. Walker

C. Barrett

SS. Cedeno

 

1) Fixed it for you

 

2) Giles is not the hitter he once was, and is on the downswing. No thanks.[/b]

[imb]

A 10 million dollar broken down reliever, a cf who is hitting .180 in AAA, and a 24 year old rookie with no pop in his bat, for one of the three best hitters in baseball?

[Mark_R]

A 10 million dollar broken down reliever, a cf who is hitting .180 in AAA, and a 24 year old rookie with no pop in his bat, for one of the three best hitters in baseball?

 

I think they might do it simply because they're ridding themselves of Manny's salary. They've made it perfectly clear they'd get rid of the contract for nothing in return in the past.

[CubfaninCA]

A 10 million dollar broken down reliever, a cf who is hitting .180 in AAA, and a 24 year old rookie with no pop in his bat, for one of the three best hitters in baseball?

 

Haven't they placed Manny on waivers a few times the past couple of years?? 1. Since Manny makes so much, the market will be pretty thin. 2. A team like Boston can afford to take a chance on Wood.

[CubfaninCA]

Trade them Wood (assuming he waives his NTC), Patterson and Murton for Manny.

Then go out and sign Giles.

 

Lineup:

 

CF. Hairston

RF. Giles

LF. Manny

1B. Lee

3B. ARam

2b. Walker

C. Barrett

SS. Cedeno

 

1) Fixed it for you

 

2) Giles is not the hitter he once was, and is on the downswing. No thanks.[/b]

 

1. Maybe the Cubs can force Wood out by making him a reliever.

 

2. Giles would be a great 2 hitter. His obp is .433. The only hurdle is the manager. Get Giles out of the grand canyon in SD and his power numbers may go up some.

[CubsHawks25]

If we were to get Manny, could it be by the deadline (pipedream?), or would it not be unitl in the offseason?

 

Adding him to the lineup this year, with Nomar coming back... :shock:

 

CF Hairston

2B Walker

1B Lee

LF mRamirez

3B aRamirez

RF Burnitz

SS Nomar

C Barrett

 

That's the lineup we would see, but if I were manager, this is the "everyday" lineup that would be fielded in August/September - if the miracle of getting Manny were to happen.

 

2B Walker

RF Murton

1B Lee

LF mRamirez

3B aRamirez

CF Burnitz

SS Nomar

C Barrett

 

=P~

[imb]

A 10 million dollar broken down reliever, a cf who is hitting .180 in AAA, and a 24 year old rookie with no pop in his bat, for one of the three best hitters in baseball?

 

I think they might do it simply because they're ridding themselves of Manny's salary. They've made it perfectly clear they'd get rid of the contract for nothing in return in the past.

 

Let's say for the moment that Boston would, if given the chance, get rid of Manny, getting nothing in return, just to get out from his contract. If this is true, why would they want to trade him to us, taking on 13 million dollars from us in the process?

 

Manny @ 20 million is better than Wood/Patterson/Murton @ 13 million

[Warpticon]

If we were to get Manny, could it be by the deadline (pipedream?), or would it not be unitl in the offseason?

 

Adding him to the lineup this year, with Nomar coming back... :shock:

 

CF Hairston

2B Walker

1B Lee

LF mRamirez

3B aRamirez

RF Burnitz

SS Nomar

C Barrett

 

That's the lineup we would see, but if I were manager, this is the "everyday" lineup that would be fielded in August/September - if the miracle of getting Manny were to happen.

 

2B Walker

RF Murton

1B Lee

LF mRamirez

3B aRamirez

CF Burnitz

SS Nomar

C Barrett

 

=P~

 

Man, that'd be an AWFUL defensive outfield. Murton has a left fielder's arm. Burnitz is the good fielder of the bunch, but he's at his best in right. Manny...well.

[CubsHawks25]

If we were to get Manny, could it be by the deadline (pipedream?), or would it not be unitl in the offseason?

 

Adding him to the lineup this year, with Nomar coming back... :shock:

 

CF Hairston

2B Walker

1B Lee

LF mRamirez

3B aRamirez

RF Burnitz

SS Nomar

C Barrett

 

That's the lineup we would see, but if I were manager, this is the "everyday" lineup that would be fielded in August/September - if the miracle of getting Manny were to happen.

 

2B Walker

RF Murton

1B Lee

LF mRamirez

3B aRamirez

CF Burnitz

SS Nomar

C Barrett

 

=P~

 

Man, that'd be an AWFUL defensive outfield. Murton has a left fielder's arm. Burnitz is the good fielder of the bunch, but he's at his best in right. Manny...well.

 

 

I know, but what you're losing defensively you're gaining offensively. Is Hairston's CF defense good enough to outweigh what Murton can do offensively, although Matt would be misplaced defensively?

[RynoRules]

For those of you who thinking dealing Wood and Murton for Manny is giving up too much of our future, I note that we have not a WS in 100 years. Lets worry about the future after we win one.

[LoneStarCubFan]

Would you consider trading Aramis Ramirez (perhaps packaged with a relief pitcher) for Manny Ramirez and Kevin Youkalis? Youkalis is a really hard nosed "down and dirty" kind of ballplayer who plays a decent 3B and I honestly think if given a starting job would be a good hitter. Manny + Youkalis offense > Aramis

 

Not only no but hell no.

 

I agree that Manny would be an interesting addition though. He'd bring another great bat to the line-up and provide hours of amusement for Cubs fans with his adventures in left field. The guy would need a road map to play left in Wrigley.

 

This is a little off-topic but I don't understand the incredible man crush I see here and on other Cubs boards for Brian Giles. He's 35 years old and on the downside of his career. In other words, he's just the kind of guy the Cubs made a habit of signing for years and years before Hendry got here (Benito Sanitago, Jeff Blauser, Howard Johnson, George Bell, Dave Smith, Danny Jackson, Rich Gossage, etc., etc., etc.).

[CuseCubFan69]

Something about Manny scares the heck out of me. If he is like Sosa and has to have the clubhouse his way and continues to not play hard I hope the Cubs have nothing to do with him.

[Roast]

I think manny's clubhouse problems or whatever are vastly overblown by the boston media. The boston media is friekin harsh (look at what they did to nomar).

 

Even if he is a prick. I dont care. Lou Gehrig and Babe Ruth didnt talk to each other for five frickin years and they survived.