Do you still want Dunn?

[Rusch33]

According to Rosenthal this morning on Cold Pizza, the Reds don't have Dunn on the block at all.

 

He has heard they have Griffey and Sean Casey on the block.

[rocket]

2. Dont you think the move to a club that will put up more runs around him, and win more games, will elevate his play just a little. even if it doesnt. That OBP and that power....i want it.

 

Roast.... you are aware that Cincinnati has outscored us 458-427 so far this season ??

 

Like I said before.

 

The Cubs lineup + Dunn > The Reds lineup + Dunn

[CubinNY]

2. Dont you think the move to a club that will put up more runs around him, and win more games, will elevate his play just a little. even if it doesnt. That OBP and that power....i want it.

 

Roast.... you are aware that Cincinnati has outscored us 458-427 so far this season ??

 

Like I said before.

 

The Cubs lineup + Dunn > The Reds lineup + Dunn

 

The Reds have scored exactly 458 runs

 

The Cubs have scored exactly 427 runs

 

Dunn has 54 RBI

 

you do the math

 

I agree with Roast.

[Guest]

The Reds have scored exactly 458 runs

 

The Cubs have scored exactly 427 runs

 

Dunn has 54 RBI

 

you do the math

 

I agree with Roast.

I'd say it's pretty close to being equal:

 

As you point out, the Reds have outscored the Cubs by 31 runs. Is the differece between Holla/Dubois/Murton and Dunn more than that? Not really: To date, our trio of LF have created about 51 runs of offense, while Dunn has generated about 80 runs for the Reds. I'd say that if the Cubs had Dunn in a corner OF spot this season instead of the Holla+Dubois/Murton platoons they'd have scored about as many runs as the Reds this season. In other words, if you ignore LF production our offenses are on pretty equal footing.

 

Still, those 30-ish runs are nothing to scoff at. That's about three full wins, and three wins gets us a lot closer to the playoffs.

[rocket]

2. Dont you think the move to a club that will put up more runs around him, and win more games, will elevate his play just a little. even if it doesnt. That OBP and that power....i want it.

 

Roast.... you are aware that Cincinnati has outscored us 458-427 so far this season ??

 

Like I said before.

 

The Cubs lineup + Dunn > The Reds lineup + Dunn

 

The Reds have scored exactly 458 runs

 

The Cubs have scored exactly 427 runs

 

Dunn has 54 RBI

 

you do the math

 

I agree with Roast.

 

Dunn has also scored 64 runs (4th best in the NL). You can't discount the runs the Reds score because of Dunn's OBP.

 

Dunn is simply a difference maker.

[rocket]

The Reds have scored exactly 458 runs

 

The Cubs have scored exactly 427 runs

 

Dunn has 54 RBI

 

you do the math

 

I agree with Roast.

I'd say it's pretty close to being equal:

 

As you point out, the Reds have outscored the Cubs by 31 runs. Is the differece between Holla/Dubois/Murton and Dunn more than that? Not really: To date, our trio of LF have created about 51 runs of offense, while Dunn has generated about 80 runs for the Reds. I'd say that if the Cubs had Dunn in a corner OF spot this season instead of the Holla+Dubois/Murton platoons they'd have scored about as many runs as the Reds this season. In other words, if you ignore LF production our offenses are on pretty equal footing.

 

Still, those 30-ish runs are nothing to scoff at. That's about three full wins, and three wins gets us a lot closer to the playoffs.

 

Interesting, thanks for the numbers.

 

I'm trying to find out where those extra runs the Reds are scoring are coming from. Is the difference between Felipe Lopez and Neifi and Griffey and our CFs really equal to the difference between Aramis and Randa and Lee and Casey? (assuming catcher and 2B production is equal, which I assume pretty much is). It really seems like the Cubs should score a lot more runs than the Reds if we ignore the Dunn effect. I guess not, though.

[CubinNY]

Just to clarify.

 

I agree with Rocket Sauce. I don't know what Roast thinks.

 

Thanks :D

[rocket]

Just to clarify.

 

I agree with Rocket Sauce. I don't know what Roast thinks.

 

Thanks :D

 

I think I was tossing out more stats to help your argument, not refute it.

 

Or maybe not, I'm prety groggy right now.

[Guest]

The Reds have scored exactly 458 runs

 

The Cubs have scored exactly 427 runs

 

Dunn has 54 RBI

 

you do the math

 

I agree with Roast.

I'd say it's pretty close to being equal:

 

As you point out, the Reds have outscored the Cubs by 31 runs. Is the differece between Holla/Dubois/Murton and Dunn more than that? Not really: To date, our trio of LF have created about 51 runs of offense, while Dunn has generated about 80 runs for the Reds. I'd say that if the Cubs had Dunn in a corner OF spot this season instead of the Holla+Dubois/Murton platoons they'd have scored about as many runs as the Reds this season. In other words, if you ignore LF production our offenses are on pretty equal footing.

 

Still, those 30-ish runs are nothing to scoff at. That's about three full wins, and three wins gets us a lot closer to the playoffs.

 

Interesting, thanks for the numbers.

 

I'm trying to find out where those extra runs the Reds are scoring are coming from. Is the difference between Felipe Lopez and Neifi and Griffey and our CFs really equal to the difference between Aramis and Randa and Lee and Casey? (assuming catcher and 2B production is equal, which I assume pretty much is). It really seems like the Cubs should score a lot more runs than the Reds if we ignore the Dunn effect. I guess not, though.

Actually, a lot of the difference is probably bad luck/lack of timely hitting on the Cubs' part. My runs estimator of choice (XR) says the Cubs should have 459 runs based on their overall offensive stats. The fact that their actual total is 6.5% below that implies that for whatever reason the Cubs just aren't doing a good job of translating their offensive successes into runs.

[dalgreen]

I don't want Dunn, and it has nothing to do with last night's game. Had he gone 3-4, I'd have said the same thing. How about getting another 5-tool player to go with Lee?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I don't want Dunn, and it has nothing to do with last night's game. Had he gone 3-4, I'd have said the same thing. How about getting another 5-tool player to go with Lee?

 

Any suggestions?

[LoneStarCubFan]

I don't want Dunn, and it has nothing to do with last night's game. Had he gone 3-4, I'd have said the same thing. How about getting another 5-tool player to go with Lee?

 

Yeah, there's a bunch of those available right now. Market's just glutted with them...

[rocket]

I don't want Dunn, and it has nothing to do with last night's game. Had he gone 3-4, I'd have said the same thing. How about getting another 5-tool player to go with Lee?

 

Any suggestions?

 

A-Rod? Abreu?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I don't want Dunn, and it has nothing to do with last night's game. Had he gone 3-4, I'd have said the same thing. How about getting another 5-tool player to go with Lee?

 

Since last I checked there aren't any good five-tool players available, I'll take the 25-yr old with a 900 OPS.

[Guest]

I don't want Dunn, and it has nothing to do with last night's game. Had he gone 3-4, I'd have said the same thing. How about getting another 5-tool player to go with Lee?

 

Any suggestions?

 

A-Rod? Abreu?

Don't forget Vlad.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I don't want Dunn, and it has nothing to do with last night's game. Had he gone 3-4, I'd have said the same thing. How about getting another 5-tool player to go with Lee?

 

Any suggestions?

 

A-Rod? Abreu?

Don't forget Vlad.

 

I think we could probably get him for Kelton and Mitre too. :P

[dalgreen]

I don't want Dunn, and it has nothing to do with last night's game. Had he gone 3-4, I'd have said the same thing. How about getting another 5-tool player to go with Lee?

 

Yeah, there's a bunch of those available right now. Market's just glutted with them...

 

Man, you guys need to lighten up. I can't believe after reading my post you'd take me seriously. I'll be sure to put a smiley face on next time when suggesting a five-tool player should be sought.

 

I still don't want Dunn.

[Roast]

I don't want Dunn, and it has nothing to do with last night's game. Had he gone 3-4, I'd have said the same thing. How about getting another 5-tool player to go with Lee?

 

Yeah, there's a bunch of those available right now. Market's just glutted with them...

 

Man, you guys need to lighten up. I can't believe after reading my post you'd take me seriously. I'll be sure to put a smiley face on next time when suggesting a five-tool player should be sought.

 

I still don't want Dunn.

 

Who out there is a better option then dunn?

[dalgreen]

I don't want Dunn, and it has nothing to do with last night's game. Had he gone 3-4, I'd have said the same thing. How about getting another 5-tool player to go with Lee?

 

Any suggestions?

 

I apologize. I thought the last sentence was too obvious to be taken seriously. I was wrong.

[dalgreen]

I don't want Dunn, and it has nothing to do with last night's game. Had he gone 3-4, I'd have said the same thing. How about getting another 5-tool player to go with Lee?

 

Yeah, there's a bunch of those available right now. Market's just glutted with them...

 

Man, you guys need to lighten up. I can't believe after reading my post you'd take me seriously. I'll be sure to put a smiley face on next time when suggesting a five-tool player should be sought.

 

I still don't want Dunn.

 

Who out there is a better option then dunn?

 

And why is it that people think that Dunn is actually "out there?" I think it would be foolish for the Reds to part with him when they could center their team around him. And if the Reds are going to trade Dunn to a division rival, I would think they'd be asking a whole lot for him. By the way, I'll go back and say the same thing I said in the off-season, I wouldn't be the least bit upset in getting Cliff Floyd.

[Roast]

I don't want Dunn, and it has nothing to do with last night's game. Had he gone 3-4, I'd have said the same thing. How about getting another 5-tool player to go with Lee?

 

Yeah, there's a bunch of those available right now. Market's just glutted with them...

 

Man, you guys need to lighten up. I can't believe after reading my post you'd take me seriously. I'll be sure to put a smiley face on next time when suggesting a five-tool player should be sought.

 

I still don't want Dunn.

 

Who out there is a better option then dunn?

 

And why is it that people think that Dunn is actually "out there?" I think it would be foolish for the Reds to part with him when they could center their team around him. And if the Reds are going to trade Dunn to a division rival, I would think they'd be asking a whole lot for him.

 

We think that he's Out there because the reds have, reportedly, already made an offer to the Astros for him. (that spoils the no central division rivals thing, also). And we never said his price wasnt high, but when you have the chance to get a talent like that, it'd be foolish not to pursue it.

[gflore34]

I don't want Dunn, and it has nothing to do with last night's game. Had he gone 3-4, I'd have said the same thing. How about getting another 5-tool player to go with Lee?

 

Yeah, there's a bunch of those available right now. Market's just glutted with them...

 

Man, you guys need to lighten up. I can't believe after reading my post you'd take me seriously. I'll be sure to put a smiley face on next time when suggesting a five-tool player should be sought.

 

I still don't want Dunn.

 

Who out there is a better option then dunn?

 

 

 

And why is it that people think that Dunn is actually "out there?" I think it would be foolish for the Reds to part with him when they could center their team around him. And if the Reds are going to trade Dunn to a division rival, I would think they'd be asking a whole lot for him.

 

We think that he's Out there because the reds have, reportedly, already made an offer to the Astros for him. (that spoils the no central division rivals thing, also). And we never said his price wasnt high, but when you have the chance to get a talent like that, it'd be foolish not to pursue it.

 

 

If that's true, I'd like to see the Cubs actively pursue Dunn, no way should Hendry let the Astros get the jump on him again, as they did with Beltran llast year.

[dalgreen]

I don't want Dunn, and it has nothing to do with last night's game. Had he gone 3-4, I'd have said the same thing. How about getting another 5-tool player to go with Lee?

 

Yeah, there's a bunch of those available right now. Market's just glutted with them...

 

Man, you guys need to lighten up. I can't believe after reading my post you'd take me seriously. I'll be sure to put a smiley face on next time when suggesting a five-tool player should be sought.

 

I still don't want Dunn.

 

Who out there is a better option then dunn?

 

And why is it that people think that Dunn is actually "out there?" I think it would be foolish for the Reds to part with him when they could center their team around him. And if the Reds are going to trade Dunn to a division rival, I would think they'd be asking a whole lot for him.

 

We think that he's Out there because the reds have, reportedly, already made an offer to the Astros for him. (that spoils the no central division rivals thing, also). And we never said his price wasnt high, but when you have the chance to get a talent like that, it'd be foolish not to pursue it.

 

Pursue it or do it? If you were the Reds' GM, who would you ask for in exchange?

[Roast]

 

 

If that's true, I'd like to see the Cubs actively pursue Dunn, no way should Hendry let the Astros get the jump on him again, as they did with Beltran llast year.

 

Not only that, but the man has a career OPS of over .900. His career OBP is in the .380's. That is awesome.

 

Do you all realize, that if adam Dunn was a cub:

 

-He would have the highest OBP of any cub not named Derrek Lee (Who leads all of baseball in OBP...)

 

-He would have the highest OPS of any cub not named Derrek Lee (Who leads all of baseball in OPS...)

 

- He would be third on the team in SLG (Behind Lee and ARamis)

 

And, even with his o-fer performance yesterday. He is still sporting a .400+ OBP in the last week (four games, due to ASB).

[Roast]

 

Pursue it or do it? If you were the Reds' GM, who would you ask for in exchange?

 

Well, this is the info that our own vance was able to dig up for us:

 

Spoke with my source and he says info is harder to come by with Pupura than it was with Hunsicker.

 

Either way, apparently, the Astros turned down the Reds first proposal. The Reds wanted the Astros to part with Backe, Lane, and a minor league pitcher believed to be Patton. The Astros felt that was too expensive and said no. It doesn't mean there won't be a deal, but my source seems to believe the Reds are asking more than anyone is willing to part with.

 

Apparently they want one young established major league pitcher, one established position player, and at least one top shelf minor league pitcher.

 

 

Assuming that is true, it wouldnt be too awful hard to one up that offer. Backe and lane are nothing special.

 

I think Jerome Williams + Jody Gerut/Corey Patterson + Pinto(maybe rich hill) sounds like a decent package.

 

I'd do that in a heartbeat.