A question for you Cardinals fans

[Mizzou]

If you were starting a franchise and had your choice between Mark Prior and Chris Carpenter, who would you choose? To me, it's a no brainer, but some guys I worked with adamantly stated that they'd take Carpenter. (Yes, they're Cards fans) I just want to see what other Cards fans say.

[reggiemiller rules]

Out of those two I would take Prior based on his age. However there are a few other young pitchers like Peavy, Santana, and Harden I would take over Prior.

[Catman61]

Thats a no brainer, it has to be Prior. If for no other reason than Prior is 5-1/2 years younger than Carpenter.

[ManEatingTarp]

Prior. No question.

[ltb]

Out of those two I would take Prior based on his age. However there are a few other young pitchers like Peavy, Santana, and Harden I would take over Prior.

 

really?

 

the only one of those three i even consider over prior is santana, and i doubt i'd take him, either.

[ManEatingTarp]

Out of those two I would take Prior based on his age. However there are a few other young pitchers like Peavy, Santana, and Harden I would take over Prior.

 

really?

 

the only one of those three i even consider over prior is santana, and i doubt i'd take him, either.

 

I don't think you can go wrong with any of them.

When Prior is healthy, he is amazing. As we all know, that hasn't been very often. Everyone talks about Santana, but Jake Peavy is a STUD! I haven't seen Harden pitch enough.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

Prior no doubt.

 

I'd take Santana over him but thats it.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

Out of those two I would take Prior based on his age. However there are a few other young pitchers like Peavy, Santana, and Harden I would take over Prior.

 

really?

 

the only one of those three i even consider over prior is santana, and i doubt i'd take him, either.

 

I don't think you can go wrong with any of them.

When Prior is healthy, he is amazing. As we all know, that hasn't been very often. Everyone talks about Santana, but Jake Peavy is a STUD! I haven't seen Harden pitch enough.

 

I just looked up Peavy and all I can say is wow. I knew his ERA was low but I didn't realize his K rate was so high. Considering how healthy he's been I'd take him over Prior to. Good call on that one.

[indifferent]

I don't see what's absurd about any of those choices. I'd say it depends on the needs of the team, lefty, team defense, etc.

[reggiemiller rules]

Prior is a stud theres no doubt about it, but Peavy is just as young and has already led the league in ERA. Like someone said you cant go wrong with any of the four, they are all studs.

[Criminal5]

I'll echo the sentiment of Prior over Carpenter but I'll also echo Peavy. The guy's flown so far under the radar.

[ltb]

Considering how healthy he's been

 

missed that little DL trip last year, eh?

 

he's no healthier than prior, considering 2 of prior's DL trips weren't related to pitching...

[DesMoinesCub]

I will take Prior over Carpenter any day (since that was the original question)

 

I would like a starting rotation of-Prior, Santana, Peavy, Harden, and any one else.

[BleedCubbieBlue81]

I'd take Prior over Carp, even though Carpenter has finally come into his own in the majors. If he can stay healthy, he'll be pretty good for a few years at least.

 

Peavy seems to have a HUGE upside. He keeps his ERA low, and his K's are higher than expected. I like him better than Santana. If I were to build a pitching staff around one guy out of that group, it'd probably be Jake Peavy. Prior has a slight advantage over the field to take second. I say that only because I've seen him pitch more, and I know how incredible he can be well he's on. Santana is my third choice, Carp 4th. I can't believe I'm putting Harden all the way down on the bottom, but the four ahead of him are simply amazing.

[TruffleShuffle]

One important note on Peavy that can't be ignored...

 

Home ERA, 2002-2005: 2.84

Away ERA, 2002-2005: 4.18

 

His splits have evened out a bit since 2003, but it still must be said that he pitches half his games in an extreme pitchers' park, so you have to weight the stats of other guys accordingly. He gave up the third most HRs in all of baseball in 2003, and then last year upon moving to Petco he cut his HRs allowed in half, giving up only 4 HRs at home last year. He's a guy with a pretty neutral GB/FB ratio, and the move to Petco was very beneficial.

[ManEatingTarp]

I think we can all agree that they are all amazing young pitchers. Zambrano could be in that category with a true breakout year. I think he puts it all together next season and becomes dominant.

 

The Prior or Carenter debate would mirror a Pujols or Lee debate. Outstanding seasons by very good players or the future of what should be HOF careers...

 

...There, I said it. I know someone was waiting for the Cards fans to bring it up;)

[BleedCubbieBlue81]

I think we can all agree that they are all amazing young pitchers. Zambrano could be in that category with a true breakout year. I think he puts it all together next season and becomes dominant.

 

The Prior or Carenter debate would mirror a Pujols or Lee debate. Outstanding seasons by very good players or the future of what should be HOF careers...

 

...There, I said it. I know someone was waiting for the Cards fans to bring it up;)

 

I was waiting for someone to mention that. :twisted:

 

I would say Zambrano belongs in here, but I thought this year was going to be his breakout year. After watching him last year, I must admit, I had him penciled in for 20 wins this year. While it's technically still possible, it's just not going to happen. If I were to add one more guy to this list, it'd probably be Mark Beurhle or Mark Mulder. I really don't like Beurhle, but his numbers don't lie, and I think he has a great future ahead of him... if he stops accusing hall of fame pitchers of cheating that is. :wink:

 

Mulder, when healthy, is one of the best pitchers in the game. He hasn't had the year that was expected of him this year, but don't be surprised if he puts up a late charge in the second half.

[ManEatingTarp]

I think we can all agree that they are all amazing young pitchers. Zambrano could be in that category with a true breakout year. I think he puts it all together next season and becomes dominant.

 

The Prior or Carenter debate would mirror a Pujols or Lee debate. Outstanding seasons by very good players or the future of what should be HOF careers...

 

...There, I said it. I know someone was waiting for the Cards fans to bring it up;)

 

I was waiting for someone to mention that. :twisted:

 

I would say Zambrano belongs in here, but I thought this year was going to be his breakout year. After watching him last year, I must admit, I had him penciled in for 20 wins this year. While it's technically still possible, it's just not going to happen. If I were to add one more guy to this list, it'd probably be Mark Beurhle or Mark Mulder. I really don't like Beurhle, but his numbers don't lie, and I think he has a great future ahead of him... if he stops accusing hall of fame pitchers of cheating that is. :wink:

 

Mulder, when healthy, is one of the best pitchers in the game. He hasn't had the year that was expected of him this year, but don't be surprised if he puts up a late charge in the second half.

 

I hope so regarding Mulder. He has shown flashes, but "streaky" is his middle name, and that's not what I look for in an "Ace".

Beurhle is fantastic. I think of him as the best #2 pitcher in baseball. Prior to this year I would put Carpenter in that mold, but he has shown "Ace" stuff this year. Now we have to see if he can do it in October.

 

I really like the new crop of young pitchers coming into the league. The next 10 years are going to be fun watching these guys return balance to the force :)

[Catman61]

Mulder, when healthy, is one of the best pitchers in the game. He hasn't had the year that was expected of him this year, but don't be surprised if he puts up a late charge in the second half.

Mulder has a truly bizarre day/night split

Day 8GS 1-4 7.40 ERA

day home 5GS 1-2 4.91 ERA

day away 3GS 0-2 14.25 ERA

 

Night 11GS 9-1 2.22 ERA

night home 4GS 3-0 1.91 ERA

night away 7GS 6-1 2.40 ERA

 

 

His career day/night splits are not very different

day 4.19

night 3.80

 

 

That radical of a split seems almost unexplainable. :?

[BleedCubbieBlue81]

day away 3GS 0-2 14.25 ERA

 

:shock: :shock:

 

Wow, lets hope he pitches against the Cubs at Wrigley then. A 1:20 start could be just what we need to rough him up. :lol:

[indifferent]

day away 3GS 0-2 14.25 ERA

 

:shock: :shock:

 

Wow, lets hope he pitches against the Cubs at Wrigley then. A 1:20 start could be just what we need to rough him up. :lol:

 

Not going to happen this weekend, Bleed, but I'd be hoping for the same if I were you. I wonder if Tony put any thought into that when he did his little rotation shuffle for this series. Although Sunday's now a night game, unless he was pitching Fri. night, Sat. and Sun. were originally scheduled as day games. I guess that's reading a little too much into it.

 

Did you guys face Mulder last year when you played the A's?

[Catman61]

day away 3GS 0-2 14.25 ERA

 

:shock: :shock:

 

Wow, lets hope he pitches against the Cubs at Wrigley then. A 1:20 start could be just what we need to rough him up. :lol:

 

Assuming a normal rotation and no tweaks on off days, Mulder will miss the Cubs in the 1st 2 series (Jul/Aug), have a night start at home on Sep 6 and a 1:20 start at Wrigley on Sep 16.

[Fred Hornkohl]

day away 3GS 0-2 14.25 ERA

 

:shock: :shock:

 

Wow, lets hope he pitches against the Cubs at Wrigley then. A 1:20 start could be just what we need to rough him up. :lol:

 

Assuming a normal rotation and no tweaks on off days, Mulder will miss the Cubs in the 1st 2 series (Jul/Aug), have a night start at home on Sep 6 and a 1:20 start at Wrigley on Sep 16.

 

All right !! I've got tickets for 16 Sept. Let's beat that boy like a rented mule !!

[snoodmonger]

day away 3GS 0-2 14.25 ERA

 

:shock: :shock:

 

Wow, lets hope he pitches against the Cubs at Wrigley then. A 1:20 start could be just what we need to rough him up. :lol:

 

Assuming a normal rotation and no tweaks on off days, Mulder will miss the Cubs in the 1st 2 series (Jul/Aug), have a night start at home on Sep 6 and a 1:20 start at Wrigley on Sep 16.

 

By my calculations,, that will be the day we pass STL for first in the Central.

[ManEatingTarp]

day away 3GS 0-2 14.25 ERA

 

:shock: :shock:

 

Wow, lets hope he pitches against the Cubs at Wrigley then. A 1:20 start could be just what we need to rough him up. :lol:

 

Assuming a normal rotation and no tweaks on off days, Mulder will miss the Cubs in the 1st 2 series (Jul/Aug), have a night start at home on Sep 6 and a 1:20 start at Wrigley on Sep 16.

 

By my calculations,, that will be the day we pass STL for first in the Central.

 

Snood. You need to change the sig to have the Creature in an Indians hat.

 

And was that Sept. 16th 2012 you were talking about?

:D