Dusty Bad Managerial Moves Thread

[RockTheIvy]

Please explain to me why you support this guy. Honestly, I want to know. I used to like Dusty's folksy almost voodoo approach. But now, I can't stand it. Please make a case for why he is a good manager. Why did Macias ever bat tonight? Why did Remmy pitch against two lefties when we have two LOOGYs on the team? Please convince me! I want to believe!

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I give up.

 

I used to keep my mouth shut about Dusty as an overall manager (although I would complain about certain moves he made), but now, like Popeye, I can't stands no more!

 

He's not the worst manager we've had (not by a longshot), but the man is just so completely confusing. He makes indefensible decisions, he regularly plays hitters who take months to draw their first walk, he doesn't seem to know a damn thing about splits, and with some of the decisions he's been making recently, I don't think he even cares any more!

 

I don't know who the heck will be out there this offseason, but I really hope the Cubs give them a good, long look.

 

Yeah, I jumped off the Dusty ship last week. I couldn't take anymore.

[rocket]

Why can't Dusty let Dubois play an entire game?

[Coach C]

Oh for the love of....

 

Here I am, consistently checking my blood pressure to make sure that it doesn't go overboard, or that I pop a vein in my neck. I cannot understand why in the sam hill that Dusty would do the following....

 

1. Waste Wuertz for just one stinking pitch.

 

2. Pulls Burnitz in favor of Macias.

 

3. Pulls Hairston in favor of Corey.

 

4. Pulls Dubois in favor of Hollansworth.

 

I'm thinking to myself... WTF? Any MLB team would tell you that Jose Macias is NOT a baseball player, period. Why pull Burnitz? If you are going to pull him, at least put Corey in and not Macias! And Dubois was having a decent day.

 

UGH! I don't care what happens, if the Cubs make it to the playoffs or not, but I want Dusty to be canned by the end of the season. This is inexcuseable.

Edited April 16, 2005 by Coach C

[10man]

Once again his Dustiness uses Remlinger against lefties when everyone in the world including a couple of tribes in Africa, Northern Mongolia, and Indonesia who have never made contact with modern man know that Remlinger has reverse splits.

[10man]

I'm thinking to myself... WTF? Any MLB team would tell you that Jose Macias is NOT a baseball player, period. Why pull Burnitz? If you are going to pull him, at least put Corey in and not Macias! And Dubois was having a decent day.

You can't say this is second guessing, cos right before that move was made I had already thought of pulling Burnitz in a double switch but replacing him with Corey to play CF and sliding Hairston over to RF, but that was too much to hope for since Dusty has never been that creative.

[Geech]

Why can't Dusty let Dubois play an entire game?

 

Because the only thing Dusty understands about baseball is lefty-righty. He doesn't even really understand how to interpret splits, since he's previously acknowledged the reverse splits of Fox and Remmy, he just has the very basic concept of lefty-righty matchups.

[Outshined_One]

Chris Speier or Grady Little are my early bets.

 

Isn't Bruce Bochy's contract up with SD after the season?

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Time for a merge...

[brinoch]

I'm thinking to myself... WTF? Any MLB team would tell you that Jose Macias is NOT a baseball player, period. Why pull Burnitz? If you are going to pull him, at least put Corey in and not Macias! And Dubois was having a decent day.

You can't say this is second guessing, cos right before that move was made I had already thought of pulling Burnitz in a double switch but replacing him with Corey to play CF and sliding Hairston over to RF, but that was too much to hope for since Dusty has never been that creative.

 

You don't pull Burnitz, you pull Perez, insert Patterson and move Hairston to second. The double switch then puts your best defensive player into the game, and gives you the best defensive team possible. It also gives you AB's from the best offensive options you have available.

[mhuber92211]

 

If you want a broader view of the trend towards winning seasons then we should say that the Cubs have already had winning records in 3 of the last 4 seasons, starting with Don Baylor's oh-so-talented 2001 team that won 88 games.

 

Oops, I forgot, Dusty fans like to pretend 2001 never happened.

 

Oh certaintly I would point that out, except the fact that Dusty was not here in 2001 and I would have assumed that this was a Dusty thread. My Bad.

 

Agreed Talent is at a higher level, however the "trend" that we are speaking about is the Dusty trend. You can't argue those results. 2 Years, 2 winning seasons. Baylor had similar talent and didn't get anywhere in '02. Remember also that last year the talent that you speak about that Dusty had was hurt. The only talent that didn't get injured in some way last season was Alou & Lee. Even Zambrano had forearm issues. You have to say that Dusty did a pretty solid job last season adminst the team turmoil and injury issues. Most other teams with issues like that end up a major disappointment, like the 1st half Houston Astros of '04.

 

One of the my main gripes about Dusty fans has been that whenever anyone brings up 2001 Dusty fans refuse to discuss that season and quickly try to change the subject back to 2002. Guess what, that's exactly what you did.

 

Another question: if you won't discuss 2001 because "Dusty was not here in 2001" and this is a "Dusty thread", then why did you bring up 2002 again? Dusty wasn't here till 2003.

 

I am confunzzled. Tell me again what 2001 or 2002 have to do with Dusty? I would be happy to talk about those seasons. I'm not sure where I brought them up again, other then to say that I couldn't see the relevance. Apparently that wasn't the right thing to bring up. But please lets discuss away those 2 seasons if you would like. I don't want to be accused of ducking or sjirting any issues. Like I have and will continue to say, I have no problem with constructive criticsm and breakdowns of different moves made. I would agree that skepticism is valid for many moves made, I just take issue with the calls to fire someone after 10 games and the namecalling. It just doesn't provide anything to a conversation.

[CubsaredaChamps]

Michael Wilbon: "Dusty has done a terrible job"! Wilbon is a huge Cubs fan and he ripped Dusty a new one on sporting news radio. "I think the Cubs are in for a terrible year and they may lose 90 games. Someone needs to get this talented team going".

[TrueBlueCubFan]

Michael Wilbon: "Dusty has done a terrible job"! Wilbon is a huge Cubs fan and he ripped Dusty a new one on sporting news radio. "I think the Cubs are in for a terrible year and they may lose 90 games. Someone needs to get this talented team going".

Wilbon grew up on the southside.

[CubsaredaChamps]

Michael Wilbon: "Dusty has done a terrible job"! Wilbon is a huge Cubs fan and he ripped Dusty a new one on sporting news radio. "I think the Cubs are in for a terrible year and they may lose 90 games. Someone needs to get this talented team going".

Wilbon grew up on the southside.

 

Ok. But he just said he is a huge Cubs fan.

[ZZ Thorn]

Alright, this is just my take on the blowup tonight:

 

The game was blown by the bullpen. All 25 players are supposed to be able to come into tough situations and succeed. Z put Rem in a bad situation, Rem faltered. Rem has to face lefties sometimes people - he's one of our main relievers and sure is paid like one.

 

Rem didn't do well after letting the game get tied. Wuertz could have been used better, but Wuertz is not Gagne. Wuertz is so popular on this board for the same reason the backup QB is the most popular QB in Chicago. I like Wuertz, however. Not a great use there.

 

Fox is in, tough situation. Gets an out, runners on 2nd on 3rd, Hill up, Ross, player of the game 3 for 3, on fire, is behind him. As Brenly said you pick your poison, 50/50 either way. Fox gave up the double, game over. Fox needs to be able to get Hill out in that situation. Fox was our last line of defense and he let everybody home.

 

As far as Macias, LOL, he freakin threw the guy out at home so how can you really complain? Even if he didn't get it hit (no surprise here) he still prevented a run, and that's not easy. LOL at Macias.

 

I'm sure some people will blame Dusty for this. Why? Cuz it's easy. But his pitchers - Z, Rem, Fox - didn't do their job and put him in tough situations that no mangerial expertise gets you out of. What gets you out? Not getting in these situations to begin with. If he walks Hill to set up the DP and Ross gets a hit, everyone says "Ross was the player of the game, why did you let him beat you?" Dammned if you do, damned if you don't in that stituation.

 

To me the blame goes squarely on the pen and on Z for not pitching a great game. The only questionable call by Dusty is the use of Wuertz and Macias, the latter which I cannot understand, but sure worked out pretty good. Everyone's pen blows it, and maybe ours will gel, but I'd sure like to see a bonafide closer or dare I say Farnsesque pitcher by the trade dealine....

[TruffleShuffle]

Michael Wilbon: "Dusty has done a terrible job"! Wilbon is a huge Cubs fan and he ripped Dusty a new one on sporting news radio. "I think the Cubs are in for a terrible year and they may lose 90 games. Someone needs to get this talented team going".

Wilbon grew up on the southside.

 

Ok. But he just said he is a huge Cubs fan.

 

I figured this thread would be getting a lot of activity tonight. :lol:

 

I grew up in New Jersey, but I'm a huge Cubs fan. Wilbon is definitely a Cub fan, he says it often on TV.

[ZZ Thorn]

Michael Wilbon: "Dusty has done a terrible job"! Wilbon is a huge Cubs fan and he ripped Dusty a new one on sporting news radio. "I think the Cubs are in for a terrible year and they may lose 90 games. Someone needs to get this talented team going".

 

Definitely one of the dumbest things I've heard this year. Let me guess: this guy is on AM radio.

[rocket]

No kidding. They'll lose only 89 games!

[CubsaredaChamps]

Alright, this is just my take on the blowup tonight:

 

The game was blown by the bullpen. All 25 players are supposed to be able to come into tough situations and succeed. Z put Rem in a bad situation, Rem faltered. Rem has to face lefties sometimes people - he's one of our main relievers and sure is paid like one.

 

Rem didn't do well after letting the game get tied. Wuertz could have been used better, but Wuertz is not Gagne. Wuertz is so popular on this board for the same reason the backup QB is the most popular QB in Chicago. I like Wuertz, however. Not a great use there.

 

Fox is in, tough situation. Gets an out, runners on 2nd on 3rd, Hill up, Ross, player of the game 3 for 3, on fire, is behind him. As Brenly said you pick your poison, 50/50 either way. Fox gave up the double, game over. Fox needs to be able to get Hill out in that situation. Fox was our last line of defense and he let everybody home.

 

As far as Macias, LOL, he freakin threw the guy out at home so how can you really complain? Even if he didn't get it hit (no surprise here) he still prevented a run, and that's not easy. LOL at Macias.

 

I'm sure some people will blame Dusty for this. Why? Cuz it's easy. But his pitchers - Z, Rem, Fox - didn't do their job and put him in tough situations that no mangerial expertise gets you out of. What gets you out? Not getting in these situations to begin with. If he walks Hill to set up the DP and Ross gets a hit, everyone says "Ross was the player of the game, why did you let him beat you?" Dammned if you do, damned if you don't in that stituation.

 

To me the blame goes squarely on the pen and on Z for not pitching a great game. The only questionable call by Dusty is the use of Wuertz and Macias, the latter which I cannot understand, but sure worked out pretty good. Everyone's pen blows it, and maybe ours will gel, but I'd sure like to see a bonafide closer or dare I say Farnsesque pitcher by the trade dealine....

 

Dusty could have walked Hill in that situation in the 8th and it came back to bite him. Baseball 101 is that you set up the DP in that situation, especially with a right handed hitter on deck. That was a brutal move by Baker. It's Baker's job to put the players in the best position to win and he does not do it.

[CubsaredaChamps]

Michael Wilbon: "Dusty has done a terrible job"! Wilbon is a huge Cubs fan and he ripped Dusty a new one on sporting news radio. "I think the Cubs are in for a terrible year and they may lose 90 games. Someone needs to get this talented team going".

 

Definitely one of the dumbest things I've heard this year. Let me guess: this guy is on AM radio.

 

Yes, he is.

[TrueBlueCubFan]

Alright, this is just my take on the blowup tonight:

 

The game was blown by the bullpen. All 25 players are supposed to be able to come into tough situations and succeed. Z put Rem in a bad situation, Rem faltered. Rem has to face lefties sometimes people - he's one of our main relievers and sure is paid like one.

 

Rem didn't do well after letting the game get tied. Wuertz could have been used better, but Wuertz is not Gagne. Wuertz is so popular on this board for the same reason the backup QB is the most popular QB in Chicago. I like Wuertz, however. Not a great use there.

 

Fox is in, tough situation. Gets an out, runners on 2nd on 3rd, Hill up, Ross, player of the game 3 for 3, on fire, is behind him. As Brenly said you pick your poison, 50/50 either way. Fox gave up the double, game over. Fox needs to be able to get Hill out in that situation. Fox was our last line of defense and he let everybody home.

 

As far as Macias, LOL, he freakin threw the guy out at home so how can you really complain? Even if he didn't get it hit (no surprise here) he still prevented a run, and that's not easy. LOL at Macias.

 

I'm sure some people will blame Dusty for this. Why? Cuz it's easy. But his pitchers - Z, Rem, Fox - didn't do their job and put him in tough situations that no mangerial expertise gets you out of. What gets you out? Not getting in these situations to begin with. If he walks Hill to set up the DP and Ross gets a hit, everyone says "Ross was the player of the game, why did you let him beat you?" Dammned if you do, damned if you don't in that stituation.

 

To me the blame goes squarely on the pen and on Z for not pitching a great game. The only questionable call by Dusty is the use of Wuertz and Macias, the latter which I cannot understand, but sure worked out pretty good. Everyone's pen blows it, and maybe ours will gel, but I'd sure like to see a bonafide closer or dare I say Farnsesque pitcher by the trade dealine....

 

Dusty could have walked Hill in that situation in the 8th and it came back to bite him. Baseball 101 is that you set up the DP in that situation, especially with a right handed hitter on deck. That was a brutal move by Baker. It's Baker's job to put the players in the best position to win and he does not do it.

Then how did the Cubs get to the NLCS in 03'?

[minnesotacubsfan]

I seriously believe Dusty is loosing it. I think the strees of the NLCS in 2003 made him pop his brain. I realize it is possible to slow play in poker, but this isnt poker, and people arent calling raises left and right. I just dont get the fascination w/MAcias. Perez has held his own, although I would still yank him in favor of Hairston. But Macias has to go. He jus t has to.

[CubsaredaChamps]

Alright, this is just my take on the blowup tonight:

 

The game was blown by the bullpen. All 25 players are supposed to be able to come into tough situations and succeed. Z put Rem in a bad situation, Rem faltered. Rem has to face lefties sometimes people - he's one of our main relievers and sure is paid like one.

 

Rem didn't do well after letting the game get tied. Wuertz could have been used better, but Wuertz is not Gagne. Wuertz is so popular on this board for the same reason the backup QB is the most popular QB in Chicago. I like Wuertz, however. Not a great use there.

 

Fox is in, tough situation. Gets an out, runners on 2nd on 3rd, Hill up, Ross, player of the game 3 for 3, on fire, is behind him. As Brenly said you pick your poison, 50/50 either way. Fox gave up the double, game over. Fox needs to be able to get Hill out in that situation. Fox was our last line of defense and he let everybody home.

 

As far as Macias, LOL, he freakin threw the guy out at home so how can you really complain? Even if he didn't get it hit (no surprise here) he still prevented a run, and that's not easy. LOL at Macias.

 

I'm sure some people will blame Dusty for this. Why? Cuz it's easy. But his pitchers - Z, Rem, Fox - didn't do their job and put him in tough situations that no mangerial expertise gets you out of. What gets you out? Not getting in these situations to begin with. If he walks Hill to set up the DP and Ross gets a hit, everyone says "Ross was the player of the game, why did you let him beat you?" Dammned if you do, damned if you don't in that stituation.

 

To me the blame goes squarely on the pen and on Z for not pitching a great game. The only questionable call by Dusty is the use of Wuertz and Macias, the latter which I cannot understand, but sure worked out pretty good. Everyone's pen blows it, and maybe ours will gel, but I'd sure like to see a bonafide closer or dare I say Farnsesque pitcher by the trade dealine....

 

Dusty could have walked Hill in that situation in the 8th and it came back to bite him. Baseball 101 is that you set up the DP in that situation, especially with a right handed hitter on deck. That was a brutal move by Baker. It's Baker's job to put the players in the best position to win and he does not do it.

Then how did the Cubs get to the NLCS in 03'?

 

Mark Prior and Kerry Wood.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Then how did the Cubs get to the NLCS in 03'?

 

a strong year by both Wood and Prior, and decent HR power 2-5.

[TrueBlueCubFan]

Then how did the Cubs get to the NLCS in 03'?

 

a strong year by both Wood and Prior, and decent HR power 2-5.

 

Your not giving any credit to Dusty for 03'?