Dusty Bad Managerial Moves Thread

[imb]

If going 1 for 4 with a sacrifice out is considered a success for Perez, how terrible of a hitter is he?

 

I would expect Hairston to outproduce those numbers on a daily basis as well as over the duration of the season.

 

Care to explain Macias over Dubois (again)?

 

He was 1 for 3 with a sacrifice. It's hard to rail on him for making an out when he was ordered to sacrifice. I too would expect Hairston to outdo a 333 OBP throughout the year, but Eaton was on today, I'm ecstatic that Neifi managed a hit.

 

There's no excuse for Macias over Dubois.

 

But why extrapolate one game into 162? There's so many more variables to consider in 1 real game as opposed to 161 imaginary ones, and Dusty pulled the right string with Perez over Hairston. Despite the nearly 2 pages of anti-Perez posts Perez was one of our more successful hitters today. That's just the facts...Those who hated on Perez for this game got shown up.

 

Oh yeah, I forgot cuz Dusty didn't do it, I bet Hairston would have gone 4 for 4 with 4 grand slams.

 

Jesus Christ.

 

Playing Neifi was the wrong thing to do, regardless of whether or not he got one measly hit. Yippee.

 

 

 

Cause you said so :roll:

 

Because the stats bare it out. You think playing Neifi was a good idea?

[UK1679666180]

Care to explain Macias over Dubois (again)?

 

I can't explain it, but I can try to understand it. Dusty doesn't think the rook is able to handle the pressure situations yet. Since, despite what some posters think, Dubois mere presence in the batter's box doesn't guarantee a hit Dusty, must've thought Macias the lefty had a better chance.

 

Knowing Dusty doesn't like rooks and trusts veterans more, I'm not that surprised. I think Dusty views Dubois as the 25th man, as does Hendry, and not Macias. I hope as the season progresses Dubois has success and can move up the ladder.

 

As terrible as Perez was today, he was WAY more effective than Holla, Burnitz, Lee and Barrett combined. He did his job. Looks to me like Dusty pulled the right string there.

 

How is Macias able to handle pressure? Creating outs for a terrible team in Montreal, didn't teach him to handle pressure. I think Dubois would be better to handle the situation, well b/c he is a much better hitters. RHs or LHsw/or w/out pressure.

 

If Dusty and Hendry view Dubois as a the 25th man, even right now, they should both be fired. I think Dusty views Dubois further down than what he should, but that's been part of Dusty's problem and will cont. to be. He has been able to escape line-up weaknesses, b/c of the talent in SF, he hasn't been able to do that in Chicago. Part of the Cubs problem on offense is Baker's inability to use a line-up effectively.

[Careless]

If going 1 for 4 with a sacrifice out is considered a success for Perez, how terrible of a hitter is he?

 

I would expect Hairston to outproduce those numbers on a daily basis as well as over the duration of the season.

 

Care to explain Macias over Dubois (again)?

 

He was 1 for 3 with a sacrifice. It's hard to rail on him for making an out when he was ordered to sacrifice. I too would expect Hairston to outdo a 333 OBP throughout the year, but Eaton was on today, I'm ecstatic that Neifi managed a hit.

 

There's no excuse for Macias over Dubois.

 

But why extrapolate one game into 162? There's so many more variables to consider in 1 real game as opposed to 161 imaginary ones, and Dusty pulled the right string with Perez over Hairston. Despite the nearly 2 pages of anti-Perez posts Perez was one of our more successful hitters today. That's just the facts...Those who hated on Perez for this game got shown up.

 

Oh yeah, I forgot cuz Dusty didn't do it, I bet Hairston would have gone 4 for 4 with 4 grand slams.

:shock:

seriously, how the heck do you know that? How do you know that Hairston wouldn't have gone 4-5 and inspired the other cubs hitters/screwed with eaton? A 1-3 day isn't a sign that he pulled the right string, merely that he didn't do something that turned out to work badly

[Careless]

A single and a sac bunt proved us wrong? Even Lenny Harris produced games of that quality, and I don't think Lenny proved anyone wrong.

Welllll what about the people who signed/played him? :wink:

[ZZ Thorn]

If going 1 for 4 with a sacrifice out is considered a success for Perez, how terrible of a hitter is he?

 

I would expect Hairston to outproduce those numbers on a daily basis as well as over the duration of the season.

 

Care to explain Macias over Dubois (again)?

 

He was 1 for 3 with a sacrifice. It's hard to rail on him for making an out when he was ordered to sacrifice. I too would expect Hairston to outdo a 333 OBP throughout the year, but Eaton was on today, I'm ecstatic that Neifi managed a hit.

 

There's no excuse for Macias over Dubois.

 

But why extrapolate one game into 162? There's so many more variables to consider in 1 real game as opposed to 161 imaginary ones, and Dusty pulled the right string with Perez over Hairston. Despite the nearly 2 pages of anti-Perez posts Perez was one of our more successful hitters today. That's just the facts...Those who hated on Perez for this game got shown up.

 

Oh yeah, I forgot cuz Dusty didn't do it, I bet Hairston would have gone 4 for 4 with 4 grand slams.

 

Jesus Christ.

 

Playing Neifi was the wrong thing to do, regardless of whether or not he got one measly hit. Yippee.

 

It seems that with this logic if Neifi had gone 4 for 4 with 4 grand slams you would still make the same statement. That, my friend, makes you a Buster on this occasion. Try being logical for a change rather than emotional.

 

You stat freaks just don't seem to get it...there are variables to take into account that you have no idea of. You think in every situation you go with a .275 hitter over the .270 hitter - nobody who coaches in baseball agrees with that.

 

What's funny is that you take a huge generalization, a .275 average, and you apply to every single individual case and assume that you know with 100% authority when you will be right and when you will be wrong, which of course you do not. Yet in real life, when dealing with people and ideas, I bet you try to avoid making generalizations to allow for these individual cases which you so arrogantly ignore in baseball.

 

I would suggest learning how to apply the scientific method, logic, and the process of generalizations in all phases of your life. It will improve it.

 

Sorry, but, take those 2 pages of this thread out, playing Perez was the right move today. Na-nanny-boo boo stick your head in poo-poo.

[UK1679666180]

If going 1 for 4 with a sacrifice out is considered a success for Perez, how terrible of a hitter is he?

 

I would expect Hairston to outproduce those numbers on a daily basis as well as over the duration of the season.

 

Care to explain Macias over Dubois (again)?

 

He was 1 for 3 with a sacrifice. It's hard to rail on him for making an out when he was ordered to sacrifice. I too would expect Hairston to outdo a 333 OBP throughout the year, but Eaton was on today, I'm ecstatic that Neifi managed a hit.

 

There's no excuse for Macias over Dubois.

 

I don't considered the sacrifice out as a way to escape the 1 for 4. He was asked to sacrifice, b/c he is and has been a terrible hitter, hitting 2nd.

 

I'm ecstatic Perez got a hit, more surprised than ecstatic, doesn't mean he should've been out there over a superior hitter like Hairston or even an unknown product like Fontenot.

[ZZ Thorn]

If Dusty and Hendry view Dubois as a the 25th man, even right now, they should both be fired.

 

Well, then I'm glad you're not their bosses. Is there any doubt to this - Macias was guaranteed a spot from Day 1 in ST, Dubois was the last guy to make the squad. They definitely view Macias with more favor, as of this moment and for the immediate future, than Dubois.

 

Dusty and Hendry are going with the proven commodity - proven in the sense that Macias has big league experience. I like Dubois more, but I'm jsut trying to say that's their thinking, from what I can gather. I don't think they should be fired.

[ltb]

What's funny is that you take a huge generalization, a .275 average, and you apply to every single individual case and assume that you know with 100% authority when you will be right and when you will be wrong, which of course you do not. Yet in real life, when dealing with people and ideas, I bet you try to avoid making generalizations to allow for these individual cases which you so arrogantly ignore in baseball.

 

uh, a batting average is a "huge generalization?" if you have a large enough sample, batting average, as well as on base percentage, are very good tools to determine how often that player is going to get a hit/get on base.

 

given the choice of a .275 hitter and a .270 hitter, assuming the .275 hitter's obp is also higher, i would almost always have the .275 hitter bat. that player has proven that he will get hits/get on base more often than the other, and isn't the point of the game to get on base and get hits?

 

according to you, playing a superior player is the wrong decision.

 

playing neifi was the wrong decision today.

[ZZ Thorn]

If going 1 for 4 with a sacrifice out is considered a success for Perez, how terrible of a hitter is he?

 

I would expect Hairston to outproduce those numbers on a daily basis as well as over the duration of the season.

 

Care to explain Macias over Dubois (again)?

 

He was 1 for 3 with a sacrifice. It's hard to rail on him for making an out when he was ordered to sacrifice. I too would expect Hairston to outdo a 333 OBP throughout the year, but Eaton was on today, I'm ecstatic that Neifi managed a hit.

 

There's no excuse for Macias over Dubois.

 

I don't considered the sacrifice out as a way to escape the 1 for 4. He was asked to sacrifice, b/c he is and has been a terrible hitter, hitting 2nd.

 

I'm ecstatic Perez got a hit, more surprised than ecstatic, doesn't mean he should've been out there over a superior hitter like Hairston or even an unknown product like Fontenot.

 

The sacrifice was an important play. It got a runner over to second. That was a key play that could have led to us tying it up. Sacrifices are important parts of winning baseball - sorry everyone can't hit a 3 run home run in every at bat. This isn't video game baseball. I don't see that it's that big a deal to applaud Neifi for making a good play. But whatever....

[ZZ Thorn]

If going 1 for 4 with a sacrifice out is considered a success for Perez, how terrible of a hitter is he?

 

I would expect Hairston to outproduce those numbers on a daily basis as well as over the duration of the season.

 

Care to explain Macias over Dubois (again)?

 

He was 1 for 3 with a sacrifice. It's hard to rail on him for making an out when he was ordered to sacrifice. I too would expect Hairston to outdo a 333 OBP throughout the year, but Eaton was on today, I'm ecstatic that Neifi managed a hit.

 

There's no excuse for Macias over Dubois.

 

I don't considered the sacrifice out as a way to escape the 1 for 4. He was asked to sacrifice, b/c he is and has been a terrible hitter, hitting 2nd.

 

I'm ecstatic Perez got a hit, more surprised than ecstatic, doesn't mean he should've been out there over a superior hitter like Hairston or even an unknown product like Fontenot.

 

The sacrifice was an important play. It got a runner over to second. That was a key play that could have led to us tying it up. Sacrifices are important parts of winning baseball - sorry everyone can't hit a 3 run home run in every at bat. This isn't video game baseball. I don't see that it's that big a deal to applaud Neifi for making a good play. But whatever....

[UK1679666180]

If going 1 for 4 with a sacrifice out is considered a success for Perez, how terrible of a hitter is he?

 

I would expect Hairston to outproduce those numbers on a daily basis as well as over the duration of the season.

 

Care to explain Macias over Dubois (again)?

 

He was 1 for 3 with a sacrifice. It's hard to rail on him for making an out when he was ordered to sacrifice. I too would expect Hairston to outdo a 333 OBP throughout the year, but Eaton was on today, I'm ecstatic that Neifi managed a hit.

 

There's no excuse for Macias over Dubois.

 

But why extrapolate one game into 162? There's so many more variables to consider in 1 real game as opposed to 161 imaginary ones, and Dusty pulled the right string with Perez over Hairston. Despite the nearly 2 pages of anti-Perez posts Perez was one of our more successful hitters today. That's just the facts...Those who hated on Perez for this game got shown up.

 

Oh yeah, I forgot cuz Dusty didn't do it, I bet Hairston would have gone 4 for 4 with 4 grand slams.

 

Jesus Christ.

 

Playing Neifi was the wrong thing to do, regardless of whether or not he got one measly hit. Yippee.

 

It seems that with this logic if Neifi had gone 4 for 4 with 4 grand slams you would still make the same statement. That, my friend, makes you a Buster on this occasion. Try being logical for a change rather than emotional.

 

You stat freaks just don't seem to get it...there are variables to take into account that you have no idea of. You think in every situation you go with a .275 hitter over the .270 hitter - nobody who coaches in baseball agrees with that.

 

What's funny is that you take a huge generalization, a .275 average, and you apply to every single individual case and assume that you know with 100% authority when you will be right and when you will be wrong, which of course you do not. Yet in real life, when dealing with people and ideas, I bet you try to avoid making generalizations to allow for these individual cases which you so arrogantly ignore in baseball.

 

I would suggest learning how to apply the scientific method, logic, and the process of generalizations in all phases of your life. It will improve it.

 

Sorry, but, take those 2 pages of this thread out, playing Perez was the right move today. Na-nanny-boo boo stick your head in poo-poo.

 

It is logical to expect a hitter who has never been able to hit in his life, to not be able to hit in a future situation.

 

If you had one final AB, with a runner on 3B w/1 out in a tie game with a playoff berth on the line, you would leave it up to chance than have a preference of Ramirez over Perez? That is a single case.

[AFCubsFan]

Contributes to keeping the clubhouse happy and his players fresh for his usual August and September successes (yes, '04 was not a success)?.

 

He's keeps the clubhouse happy and gets players with players with big egos to work together. He helps everyone get along and he gets the most out of his players. Those are some of the main reasons the Cubs hired him. Look how happy he kept the clubhouse last year. Look at all the suspensions and ejections. Look at all the fights the Cubs picked with everyone. Oh wait, I suppose everyone was ganging up on the Cubs...just like everyone gangs up on Dusty. It's plain to see that Dusty's attitude is rubbing off on the team. Dusty did a great job dealing with last years problem players...he did nothing. Hendry had to get rid of them (including a future 1st ballot HOF'er.) There were a lot of bad attitudes from the players on and off the field last year and Dusty didn't seem to do anything about it. As far as keeping people fresh, I guess that explains the burnt out Cubs in the 2003 playoffs. Even if the team made the WS, the bullpen was dead. It also explains the meltdown last year.

 

Look how much the fans dislike Macias and Perez. I don't think it's so much a problem with the players as it is a problem with the way Dusty uses them. Macias should be the emergency guy. If someone goes down late in a ballgame and there are no other players on the bench who could possibly field that position, that's when you use Macias. That is Jose's greatest attribute. He's the "oh crap, we need a body at that position and no one else on the bench has played there before" guy. Neifi accomplishes the same thing as Macias, except he plays fewer positions. I have no idea why Hendry has both of them on the team, and I have even less of an idea as to why Dusty plays them so much...especially in pinch hit roles. Or worse yet, as the #2 hitter in the batting order.

 

Dusty should be fired plain and simple. The Cubs would easily have the money for a better bench and a CLOSER if:

1) Dusty didn't have a 4 year deal worth $14-15 million

and

2) They weren't paying so much of Sosa's contract while he plays for the O's. By the way, if Dusty could do the main thing he was brought in to do (keep players happy and help them get along), Sosa would still be with the team and that would have freed up a lot of money to use elsewhere.

 

To sum it up, Dusty is the wrong manager in the wrong place at the wrong time. He wasn't hired for his in game management, he was hired for the way he handles and motivates players. He has failed on both sides and it's past time for him to go. Give the top payroll in the NL to some of the former Cubs managers and I think they'd do better. Baylor almost managed a team full of not much to the playoffs in 2001. Riggs took a team of nothing to the playoffs in '98. Give either of them a payroll like this and they would be dangerous (it takes a lot for me to say I miss Baylor.) I know the managers don't decide how to use the payroll, but I don't think they'd mess up using the players on the roster as badly as Dusty.

[UK1679666180]

If Dusty and Hendry view Dubois as a the 25th man, even right now, they should both be fired.

 

Well, then I'm glad you're not their bosses. Is there any doubt to this - Macias was guaranteed a spot from Day 1 in ST, Dubois was the last guy to make the squad. They definitely view Macias with more favor, as of this moment and for the immediate future, than Dubois.

 

Dusty and Hendry are going with the proven commodity - proven in the sense that Macias has big league experience. I like Dubois more, but I'm jsut trying to say that's their thinking, from what I can gather. I don't think they should be fired.

 

Baker would have never been hired if I was the boss, those who know me, no I've been against the hire from day 1, I look at Baker thru non-biased eyes though, I think he makes more poor decisions than good ones.

 

I blame Hendry for bringing Macias back, no point in having dead weight again. Macias proved he was a failure in 04'. I don't blame Baker for Macias being back, but I blame Baker for using him way more than he should.

 

If Baker is viewing Macias as a more productive player than Dubois, which is what he is doing, he's dead wrong, no question about it. L/R matchup and terrible production in the majors doesn't negate the fact that Dubois even w/out ML experience is a much better player than Macias could ever be, even in one PH AB. The only thing playing Macias accomplishes over Dubois is decreasing the chances of winning and stunting the development of Dubois, one heck of a lose-lose situation.

[imb]

If going 1 for 4 with a sacrifice out is considered a success for Perez, how terrible of a hitter is he?

 

I would expect Hairston to outproduce those numbers on a daily basis as well as over the duration of the season.

 

Care to explain Macias over Dubois (again)?

 

He was 1 for 3 with a sacrifice. It's hard to rail on him for making an out when he was ordered to sacrifice. I too would expect Hairston to outdo a 333 OBP throughout the year, but Eaton was on today, I'm ecstatic that Neifi managed a hit.

 

There's no excuse for Macias over Dubois.

 

But why extrapolate one game into 162? There's so many more variables to consider in 1 real game as opposed to 161 imaginary ones, and Dusty pulled the right string with Perez over Hairston. Despite the nearly 2 pages of anti-Perez posts Perez was one of our more successful hitters today. That's just the facts...Those who hated on Perez for this game got shown up.

 

Oh yeah, I forgot cuz Dusty didn't do it, I bet Hairston would have gone 4 for 4 with 4 grand slams.

 

Jesus Christ.

 

Playing Neifi was the wrong thing to do, regardless of whether or not he got one measly hit. Yippee.

 

It seems that with this logic if Neifi had gone 4 for 4 with 4 grand slams you would still make the same statement. That, my friend, makes you a Buster on this occasion. Try being logical for a change rather than emotional.

 

You stat freaks just don't seem to get it...there are variables to take into account that you have no idea of. You think in every situation you go with a .275 hitter over the .270 hitter - nobody who coaches in baseball agrees with that.

 

What's funny is that you take a huge generalization, a .275 average, and you apply to every single individual case and assume that you know with 100% authority when you will be right and when you will be wrong, which of course you do not. Yet in real life, when dealing with people and ideas, I bet you try to avoid making generalizations to allow for these individual cases which you so arrogantly ignore in baseball.

 

I would suggest learning how to apply the scientific method, logic, and the process of generalizations in all phases of your life. It will improve it.

 

Sorry, but, take those 2 pages of this thread out, playing Perez was the right move today. Na-nanny-boo boo stick your head in poo-poo.

 

I don't care if Neifi went 12 for 12 and hit an 8 run homer, putting him in over Hairston was stupid. I really dont see how you can defend this.

[ZZ Thorn]

What's funny is that you take a huge generalization, a .275 average, and you apply to every single individual case and assume that you know with 100% authority when you will be right and when you will be wrong, which of course you do not. Yet in real life, when dealing with people and ideas, I bet you try to avoid making generalizations to allow for these individual cases which you so arrogantly ignore in baseball.

 

uh, a batting average is a "huge generalization?" if you have a large enough sample, batting average, as well as on base percentage, are very good tools to determine how often that player is going to get a hit/get on base.

 

given the choice of a .275 hitter and a .270 hitter, assuming the .275 hitter's obp is also higher, i would almost always have the .275 hitter bat. that player has proven that he will get hits/get on base more often than the other, and isn't the point of the game to get on base and get hits?

 

according to you, playing a superior player is the wrong decision.

 

playing neifi was the wrong decision today.

 

You think this because statistics are your omnipotent God.

 

BA is a huge generalization when prediciting success in a given situation. How can you say it's not? It's not guarantee that if you flip a coin 4 times it will land on heads twice and tails twice. Theoretically, GENERALLY, it will land heads half and tails half, but in REAL LIFE it doesn't always turn out that way.

 

Anyway, you don't when a .270 hitter is going to get his 27 hits. It could be 27 against Randy Johnson, or it could be 27 hits against a soft tossing lefty, it could be 27 in garbage time, or it could be 27 GWRBIs. Just because there's someone on the bench hitting .275 doesn't mean he's automatically the best choice in a REAL LIFE SITUATION.

 

It's not all stats for predicting outcomes. I'm sorry to burst your bubble - but it's not that easy. If it was, you and everyone else would go to Vegas and become a bilionaire.

[ZZ Thorn]

[it is logical to expect a hitter who has never been able to hit in his life, to not be able to hit in a future situation.

 

If you had one final AB, with a runner on 3B w/1 out in a tie game with a playoff berth on the line, you would leave it up to chance than have a preference of Ramirez over Perez? That is a single case.

 

Your points are rife with exaggerations and impossible situations.

 

Neifi has been able to hit in his life. So toss your first paragraph out as over-emotional mumbo-jumbo.

 

I bet we can go the whole year and never be in this ARam/Perez situation. Why don't you give me something I can use?

 

In the very plausible choice of Neifi/Perez/Dubois to PH - I would look at many factors. I can't say flat out who I would always choose cuz they're all, at this point, at the same ability level.

[AFCubsFan]

From Rotoworld:

 

Neifi Perez is starting at second base and batting second today against the Padres.

And this is why just having Mark Prior and Kerry Wood stay healthy won't necessarily result in a trip to the postseason for the Cubs. Manager Dusty Baker can't possibly use Perez regularly while Todd Walker is out, but Neifi will probably get a fair amount of playing time. Walker owners could consider picking him up in NL-only leagues, though it should still be possible to do better. Apr. 11 - 2:10 pm et

 

http://fantasybaseball.rotoworld.com/content/playernews.asp?sport=MLB&lastline=139784

[UK1679666180]

If going 1 for 4 with a sacrifice out is considered a success for Perez, how terrible of a hitter is he?

 

I would expect Hairston to outproduce those numbers on a daily basis as well as over the duration of the season.

 

Care to explain Macias over Dubois (again)?

 

He was 1 for 3 with a sacrifice. It's hard to rail on him for making an out when he was ordered to sacrifice. I too would expect Hairston to outdo a 333 OBP throughout the year, but Eaton was on today, I'm ecstatic that Neifi managed a hit.

 

There's no excuse for Macias over Dubois.

 

I don't considered the sacrifice out as a way to escape the 1 for 4. He was asked to sacrifice, b/c he is and has been a terrible hitter, hitting 2nd.

 

I'm ecstatic Perez got a hit, more surprised than ecstatic, doesn't mean he should've been out there over a superior hitter like Hairston or even an unknown product like Fontenot.

 

The sacrifice was an important play. It got a runner over to second. That was a key play that could have led to us tying it up. Sacrifices are important parts of winning baseball - sorry everyone can't hit a 3 run home run in every at bat. This isn't video game baseball. I don't see that it's that big a deal to applaud Neifi for making a good play. But whatever....

 

How is the ability to bunt a player over a good thing in the grand scheme of things? I view it as he bunted him over b/c he would not have been able to do it via a hit. If your #2 hitter can't hit a runner over to 2B or single to get him to 3rd, he doesn't belong out there.

[treebird]

Why do people still bother to argue about dusty with zz? It's an exercise in futility if there ever was one. We're right, he's wrong, move on.

[ltb]

Anyway, you don't when a .270 hitter is going to get his 27 hits. It could be 27 against Randy Johnson, or it could be 27 hits against a soft tossing lefty, it could be 27 in garbage time, or it could be 27 GWRBIs. Just because there's someone on the bench hitting .275 doesn't mean he's automatically the best choice in a REAL LIFE SITUATION.

 

It's not all stats for predicting outcomes. I'm sorry to burst your bubble - but it's not that easy. If it was, you and everyone else would go to Vegas and become a bilionaire.

 

wow.

 

you do realize i mentioned using a large enough sample size, right? with a large enough sample (which hairston and neifi's career plate appearances will suffice for), it's going to include appearances against guys like johnson and guys like scott downs.

 

now, if statistics are as worthless as you're trying to claim they are, please inform me, oh omniscient one, what is better for predicting who will more likely get a hit or get on base?

[UK1679666180]

[it is logical to expect a hitter who has never been able to hit in his life, to not be able to hit in a future situation.

 

If you had one final AB, with a runner on 3B w/1 out in a tie game with a playoff berth on the line, you would leave it up to chance than have a preference of Ramirez over Perez? That is a single case.

 

Your points are rife with exaggerations and impossible situations.

 

Neifi has been able to hit in his life. So toss your first paragraph out as over-emotional mumbo-jumbo.

 

I bet we can go the whole year and never be in this ARam/Perez situation. Why don't you give me something I can use?

 

In the very plausible choice of Neifi/Perez/Dubois to PH - I would look at many factors. I can't say flat out who I would always choose cuz they're all, at this point, at the same ability level.

 

When has Perez been able to hit? Someone with a career OPS of .681 while playing a substantial part of their career in Colorado has shown the inability to hit throughout their career.

 

Why not use the hypothetical? I would have thought the Bartman incident could never happen, it did. Players come up to hit all the time with the winning run on 3B with less than 2 outs, it happened Sunday.

 

You think Macias, Perez, and Dubois are on the same ability level? Please explain...

[ZZ Thorn]

It seems that with this logic if Neifi had gone 4 for 4 with 4 grand slams you would still make the same statement. That, my friend, makes you a Buster on this occasion. Try being logical for a change rather than emotional.

 

You stat freaks just don't seem to get it...there are variables to take into account that you have no idea of. You think in every situation you go with a .275 hitter over the .270 hitter - nobody who coaches in baseball agrees with that.

 

What's funny is that you take a huge generalization, a .275 average, and you apply to every single individual case and assume that you know with 100% authority when you will be right and when you will be wrong, which of course you do not. Yet in real life, when dealing with people and ideas, I bet you try to avoid making generalizations to allow for these individual cases which you so arrogantly ignore in baseball.

 

I would suggest learning how to apply the scientific method, logic, and the process of generalizations in all phases of your life. It will improve it.

 

Sorry, but, take those 2 pages of this thread out, playing Perez was the right move today. Na-nanny-boo boo stick your head in poo-poo.

 

I don't care if Neifi went 12 for 12 and hit an 8 run homer, putting him in over Hairston was stupid. I really dont see how you can defend this.

 

That is the silliest thing I've read in a long time. It shows you just think stats are the end-all be-all. You really must think that because you have a book full of stats you are qualified to be a professional baseball manager. Your statement just defies basic understanding of the practicalities of a 162+ game baseball season - practically nobody plays 162 games a year, as the manager you have to decide when to pull the string on a bench player.

 

What are your stats for that? Oh, you'd just play your best players 162 games a year, cuz there's no stat for 'tiredness'. Even in the hot Wrigley summers. Like the '69 Cubs. God, it's not as simple as you believe it to be. Sometimes Perez over Hairston is the right move.

 

God, the arrogance of the stat worshippers....

[UK1679666180]

What are your stats for that? Oh, you'd just play your best players 162 games a year, cuz there's no stat for 'tiredness'. Even in the hot Wrigley summers. Like the '69 Cubs. God, it's not as simple as you believe it to be. Sometimes Perez over Hairston is the right move.

 

How can Hairston be tired, did he ride his bike from Naperville?

[ZZ Thorn]

Anyway, you don't when a .270 hitter is going to get his 27 hits. It could be 27 against Randy Johnson, or it could be 27 hits against a soft tossing lefty, it could be 27 in garbage time, or it could be 27 GWRBIs. Just because there's someone on the bench hitting .275 doesn't mean he's automatically the best choice in a REAL LIFE SITUATION.

 

It's not all stats for predicting outcomes. I'm sorry to burst your bubble - but it's not that easy. If it was, you and everyone else would go to Vegas and become a bilionaire.

 

wow.

 

you do realize i mentioned using a large enough sample size, right? with a large enough sample (which hairston and neifi's career plate appearances will suffice for), it's going to include appearances against guys like johnson and guys like scott downs.

 

now, if statistics are as worthless as you're trying to claim they are, please inform me, oh omniscient one, what is better for predicting who will more likely get a hit or get on base?

 

My point is, there's more variables to take into account in a real life situation. There are variables, that if you understand them, like say how a player does against soft-tossing lefties, for which there is no stat, you can increase your odds of success. Is that so hard to see?

 

The stats cover everything, but they don't cover specific situations very often. There are plenty of things that can't be found in box scores....

[ltb]

What are your stats for that? Oh, you'd just play your best players 162 games a year, cuz there's no stat for 'tiredness'. Even in the hot Wrigley summers. Like the '69 Cubs. God, it's not as simple as you believe it to be. Sometimes Perez over Hairston is the right move.

 

God, the arrogance of the stat worshippers....

 

Tired?

 

How on EARTH could Hairston be tired today? He's started one game, and he's had a pinch hit appearance in two.

 

Now, please explain that.

 

What I find funny is that you're calling "stat worshippers" arrogant, but that simply reminds me of a saying that involves a pot and a kettle....