NFL Week 15

[soccer10k]

The Ravens' playoff odds dropped from 78% to 50%, and their odds to win the division dropped to 28%

 

Worth it?

 

Stop acting like they would have won the game if they had just kicked the extra point.

[Derwood]

The Ravens' playoff odds dropped from 78% to 50%, and their odds to win the division dropped to 28%

 

Worth it?

 

Stop acting like they would have won the game if they had just kicked the extra point.

 

I'm not. I'm saying that playing a 10 minute OT was less risky than pinning everything on one play.

 

They still could've lost and it would've been moot

[NOLA]

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

The Ravens' playoff odds dropped from 78% to 50%, and their odds to win the division dropped to 28%

 

Worth it?

You're being incoherent.

[Derwood]

The Ravens' playoff odds dropped from 78% to 50%, and their odds to win the division dropped to 28%

 

Worth it?

You're being incoherent.

 

*shrug* don't know what you're not following

[soccer10k]

The Ravens' playoff odds dropped from 78% to 50%, and their odds to win the division dropped to 28%

 

Worth it?

 

Stop acting like they would have won the game if they had just kicked the extra point.

 

I'm not. I'm saying that playing a 10 minute OT was less risky than pinning everything on one play.

 

They still could've lost and it would've been moot

 

This isn’t Zach Wilson on the other sideline. It’s Aaron Rodgers. You’re more likely to win going for 2 there than just continuing to give Rodgers chances and hoping you win the coin toss in OT.

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

The Ravens' playoff odds dropped from 78% to 50%, and their odds to win the division dropped to 28%

 

Worth it?

You're being incoherent.

 

*shrug* don't know what you're not following

So you are pointing out that scoring points is better than failing to score points? Thanks for the insight.

[Derwood]

It’s too bad this Saints defense can’t be paired with a decent offense.

 

With the terrible offense the Bucs are running tonight, you don't need it. Brady has been bad, and when he's been ok, his receivers are dropping everything

[Soul]

Why doesn’t everyone just do to Brady what the Saints are doing? They morphed him into Foles.

[NOLA]

 

Dennis Allen just frustrates the horsefeathers out of Brady. If Drew hadn’t been a noodle arm they’d be 5-0 vs him at Tampa.

Edited December 20, 2021 by NOLA

[Soul]

The Ravens' playoff odds dropped from 78% to 50%, and their odds to win the division dropped to 28%

 

Worth it?

You're being incoherent.

 

*shrug* don't know what you're not following

The calculus of the Ravens there must have been based on Rodgers. You make that decision when you aren’t confident that you can stop the opposing QB. So they feared Rodgers and thought, 40 seconds, we can probably keep Rodgers from the FG.

 

If it’s any “normal” team I’d agree it was weird. But here, I liked the decision.

[UK]

You're being incoherent.

 

*shrug* don't know what you're not following

The calculus of the Ravens there must have been based on Rodgers. You make that decision when you aren’t confident that you can stop the opposing QB. So they feared Rodgers and thought, 40 seconds, we can probably keep Rodgers from the FG.

 

If it’s any “normal” team I’d agree it was weird. But here, I liked the decision.

 

I would have gone for it as well, I just would not have called a play that cuts the field in half (already shortened).

[UK]

Also if you want to criticize Harbaugh for being overaggressive, not going for the FG on the 1st drive was worse than the 2 pt conversion.

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

Also if you want to criticize Harbaugh for being overaggressive, not going for the FG on the 1st drive was worse than the 2 pt conversion.

Why?

[UK]

Also if you want to criticize Harbaugh for being overaggressive, not going for the FG on the 1st drive was worse than the 2 pt conversion.

Why?

 

I thought they should have taken the 3, I was fine with the earlier 4th down conversion on the 1st drive but I thought it was too far out (with a condensed field) to get the TD.

[sneakypower]

the 2pt decision was right, i just wish they'd been a little less obvious with the playcall, like GB was giving them Andrews single-coverage look as bait and the safety quickly (predictably) doubled on him which left the slot receiver blitheringly wide open in the back of the EZ which should've been first read imo

[raw]

the 2pt decision was right, i just wish they'd been a little less obvious with the playcall, like GB was giving them Andrews single-coverage look as bait and the safety quickly (predictably) doubled on him which left the slot receiver blitheringly wide open in the back of the EZ which should've been first read imo

 

Go for 2 or not, the play calls on these things is what kills teams. You cut off half the field, and like you said, the first read for a rolling QB is the only WR that is in his current line of sight. If you have a mobile QB, you want to give them the option to run. On the goal line, the best way to do that is to spread the defense out. You can give him 1 read and then let him go, and then if something pops open he can throw it once you get the defense moving. But the way that play was designed, he would have had to either stop or completely flip his head to the middle, which allows the pass rush to potentially get there.

[Soul]

the 2pt decision was right, i just wish they'd been a little less obvious with the playcall, like GB was giving them Andrews single-coverage look as bait and the safety quickly (predictably) doubled on him which left the slot receiver blitheringly wide open in the back of the EZ which should've been first read imo

 

Go for 2 or not, the play calls on these things is what kills teams. You cut off half the field, and like you said, the first read for a rolling QB is the only WR that is in his current line of sight. If you have a mobile QB, you want to give them the option to run. On the goal line, the best way to do that is to spread the defense out. You can give him 1 read and then let him go, and then if something pops open he can throw it once you get the defense moving. But the way that play was designed, he would have had to either stop or completely flip his head to the middle, which allows the pass rush to potentially get there.

Yeah, I don't get that play call either. It's the whole game on one play, didn't look they were even entertaining giving Huntley an option. Plus it wasn't a good throw, but still.

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

So, here were all of the actual mistakes and break downs in "go for it" hypotheticals in the Ravens-Packers game.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/ravens-2-point-conversion-analytics-packers-005823164.html

[raw]

FWIW, I love going for the W there. Harbaugh isn't going to say it, but they aren't beating Rodgers in OT if he touches the ball. I know they stopped them the 2 previous drives, but the ones before that he was unstoppable as usual.

[UK]

FWIW, I love going for the W there. Harbaugh isn't going to say it, but they aren't beating Rodgers in OT if he touches the ball. I know they stopped them the 2 previous drives, but the ones before that he was unstoppable as usual.

 

It was definitely the right decision to go for 2 and as previously mentioned, a horseshit play call.

 

On the 1st drive of the game, would you have gone for the TD or kicked the FG?

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

FWIW, I love going for the W there. Harbaugh isn't going to say it, but they aren't beating Rodgers in OT if he touches the ball. I know they stopped them the 2 previous drives, but the ones before that he was unstoppable as usual.

 

It was definitely the right decision to go for 2 and as previously mentioned, a horsefeathers play call.

 

On the 1st drive of the game, would you have gone for the TD or kicked the FG?

I thought going for the TD was the way to play it. They (rightly) assumed the Packers were going to put up a lot of points, and there are additional reasons that going for it on a TD is better than on an 2 point conversion. There is just the extra point that a TD gets you relative to the 2 point convert/1 extra point decision. There is also the field position portion to consider as well. If you do fail to get the TD, you get an extra 30 yards of field position compared to the alternative. Yes, the attempt was from the 4 yard line or so, but I still think it made sense to go for it. Early in the game, it almost always makes sense to go for it if your (and your oponent's) offense is at all competant, and doubly so if you consider yourself the underdog.

[NOLA]

Why doesn’t everyone just do to Brady what the Saints are doing? They morphed him into Foles.

The Saints get pressure on Brady with their front four, which lets the defense free to fake blitzes, bring in extra coverage, tons of different looks. Having good DBs helps for sure, but pass rush front the DL is how the Saints play Brady.

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

It's best ball playoff season. Needed Kupp to score less than 35 points to have 3 teams advance. Needed him to score more than 39 to have two others advance. Scored 37.70. I'll forever h8 that guy.

[Derwood]

Browns aren’t going anywhere with Baker. Time to move on