Week 14: BEARS at Packers, Sunday Night Football

[raw]

I hate the idea of hiring McDaniels. He was anti-Cutty and wrong about that, anti Pollard and wrong about that. He strikes me as a big ego guy "my way or the highway" and as it turns out, his way is a dirt road

 

Wait, who is Pollard? He was wrong about Cutler 12 years ago. He was a 33-year old hot shot coach that thought he could do no wrong after jumping to prominence really early in his career. Now, he presumably has been being groomed by Belichick the last 10 years more than he was probably was as a 30-year old. Coaches tend to do a lot better when given a 2nd chance. Belichick himself wasn't great in Cleveland. Plus, I think this time McDaniels would be able to bring in his own GM, like Shanahan in SF. So he wouldn't be making major personnel decisions by himself.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I hate the idea of hiring McDaniels. He was anti-Cutty and wrong about that, anti Pollard and wrong about that. He strikes me as a big ego guy "my way or the highway" and as it turns out, his way is a dirt road

 

Wait, who is Pollard? He was wrong about Cutler 12 years ago. He was a 33-year old hot shot coach that thought he could do no wrong after jumping to prominence really early in his career. Now, he presumably has been being groomed by Belichick the last 10 years more than he was probably was as a 30-year old. Coaches tend to do a lot better when given a 2nd chance. Belichick himself wasn't great in Cleveland. Plus, I think this time McDaniels would be able to bring in his own GM, like Shanahan in SF. So he wouldn't be making major personnel decisions by himself.

Ok, yea sure. That all makes sense.

 

 

I still don't trust him

[Old Style]

Hard no on McDaniels.

[David]

i don't really know that he was wrong about cutler lol

 

jay was fine. kinda. a jerk and a lot of us kinda liked that (turns out - and this probably shouldn't have been a surprise - he is a jerk and a dumbass in real life too though). seemed like he put off a lot of teammates, but they're all jerks so that's whatever, i guess.

 

it's not some career defining stain on mcdaniels though.

 

my issue with mcdaniels is the horsefeathers he pulled in indy.

[jersey cubs fan]

 

my issue with mcdaniels is the horsefeathers he pulled in indy.

I can't blame a man for having second thoughts about moving to Indy

[David]

i still wanna know who tf pollard is

 

but yeah, out of what seems like a lackluster pool of candidates right now, mcdaniels would seem like a totally fine hire.

[raw]

i don't really know that he was wrong about cutler lol

 

jay was fine. kinda. a jerk and a lot of us kinda liked that (turns out - and this probably shouldn't have been a surprise - he is a jerk and a dumbass in real life too though). seemed like he put off a lot of teammates, but they're all jerks so that's whatever, i guess.

 

it's not some career defining stain on mcdaniels though.

 

my issue with mcdaniels is the horsefeathers he pulled in indy.

 

Even the Indy stuff is kinda being explained as, he agreed to the job, they hired assistant coaches that he wanted, but then he backed out because he wasn't being given say in personnel that he was perhaps originally promised.

 

But the Cutler stuff is interesting. It's hard to say he was right because he then went to Kyle Orton and Tim Tebow. It's hard to say he was completely wrong because we've seen "good" QBs not be good enough to do any real damage and win championships. It's the great QBs that win, and Cutler definitely wasn't at that level. Maybe he could have been in the right organization, but clearly McDaniels didn't think he could have been great with him in Denver. Cutler was nearing that point where you were going to have to pay him like a great QB, but we've seen guys like Cousins and Big Ben after 28 kinda hold teams back because of their salaries and not being great enough to legitimately compete for titles.

[jersey cubs fan]

i don't really know that he was wrong about cutler lol

 

jay was fine. kinda. a jerk and a lot of us kinda liked that (turns out - and this probably shouldn't have been a surprise - he is a jerk and a dumbass in real life too though). seemed like he put off a lot of teammates, but they're all jerks so that's whatever, i guess.

 

it's not some career defining stain on mcdaniels though.

 

my issue with mcdaniels is the horsefeathers he pulled in indy.

 

Even the Indy stuff is kinda being explained as, he agreed to the job, they hired assistant coaches that he wanted, but then he backed out because he wasn't being given say in personnel that he was perhaps originally promised.

 

But the Cutler stuff is interesting. It's hard to say he was right because he then went to Kyle Orton and Tim Tebow. It's hard to say he was completely wrong because we've seen "good" QBs not be good enough to do any real damage and win championships. It's the great QBs that win, and Cutler definitely wasn't at that level. Maybe he could have been in the right organization, but clearly McDaniels didn't think he could have been great with him in Denver. Cutler was nearing that point where you were going to have to pay him like a great QB, but we've seen guys like Cousins and Big Ben after 28 kinda hold teams back because of their salaries and not being great enough to legitimately compete for titles.

The thing he was wrong about was his attempt to trade for Matt Cassel. That was the most obvious "he's not going to be worth what you trade for him" guy at the time. Sure, Cutler wasn't good enough to commit to, but Cassel wasn't a better option.

[Soul]

With Cutler, I think once you get off on the wrong foot there's no recovering from it. And they definitely got off on the wrong foot. Jay probably just said screw you I want out, and after that there was nothing McDaniels could have said.

 

The resume is stellar except for the very visible crash n' burn stuff as HC. He's even guiding the Pats offense post-Brady with success, and I don't think his QB is top-tier. If he comes to Chicago and the offense stays terrible, seriously I give up. Just draft defense forever, the gods are clearly against our O.

[BigSlick]

I just want to see the Bears have an above average offense for two years in a row. This is something I'm not sure they've accomplished in my lifetime.

[Soul]

I just want to see the Bears have an above average offense for two years in a row. This is something I'm not sure they've accomplished in my lifetime.

 

Even if they did, the onslaught of bad Bears offenses has purged it from my brain.

[WrigleyField 22]

 

my issue with mcdaniels is the horsefeathers he pulled in indy.

I can't blame a man for having second thoughts about moving to Indy

Chicago is home to head coaches who once spurred middling market jobs offers after accepting. It's why they call us the Second City, because we give second chances.

[WrigleyField 22]

I just want to see the Bears have an above average offense for two years in a row. This is something I'm not sure they've accomplished in my lifetime.

Hi

[David]

I just want to see the Bears have an above average offense for two years in a row. This is something I'm not sure they've accomplished in my lifetime.

Hi

 

they weren't really above average in 2014

 

#16 in DVOA, iirc

[Soul]

See? I had buried that. Thanks for bringing it back into my brain!

[WrigleyField 22]

I just want to see the Bears have an above average offense for two years in a row. This is something I'm not sure they've accomplished in my lifetime.

Hi

 

they weren't really above average in 2014

 

#16 in DVOA, iirc

Okay but they were really good in 13, so I'm counting it. Best two year stretch of Bears offense sinse the late 80s.

 

My hottest of Bears takes I've lately developed might actually be that in a different situation Trestman is at least an average coach. But that Bears situaition in many ways was destined to fail.

[David]

trestman can probably be a decent OC but i don't see his personality working as a HC and the leadership qualities needed (and i don't usually care about that so much but this is an extreme case). too many anecdotes out there of just completely bizarre stuff.

[raw]

LOL, is that really what he looked like? I only remember him with a hat on and looking like he was freezing on the sidelines

[WrigleyField 22]

trestman can probably be a decent OC but i don't see his personality working as a HC and the leadership qualities needed (and i don't usually care about that so much but this is an extreme case). too many anecdotes out there of just completely bizarre stuff.

I guess he did a podcast with Marshall recently and they addresseed some of those things though and I guess are more normal now. Basically Marshall felt he would have done better with the now younger generation of players. And that Bears team, especially its leaders were older, so even in about 7 years there's a pretty big generational gap between that Bears team and maybe a young team in 2018, perhaps with a young QB in need of molding too.

 

In true hot take form, I haven't actually gotten around to pod yet, but it sounded interesting though;

https://www.law.miami.edu/about/leadership-gameplan-podcast

[David]

LOL, is that really what he looked like? I only remember him with a hat on and looking like he was freezing on the sidelines

that's why you remember him with a hat on

[Sammy Sofa]

*Blank* can probably be a decent OC[/DC] but i don't see his personality working as a HC and the leadership qualities needed

 

I mean, this is kinda most of the HCs at any given time.

[minnesotacubsfan]

The thing he was wrong about was his attempt to trade for Matt Cassel. That was the most obvious "he's not going to be worth what you trade for him" guy at the time. Sure, Cutler wasn't good enough to commit to, but Cassel wasn't a better option.

 

yes, this, but also he seemed to be unwilling to try and work a scheme around Jay, and instead wanted his own "type" of QB to work with in his system. What worries me is that he may end up feeling this way about Fields as well. In general, I sour very quickly on scheme-first-players-later type of coaches. Another coach of that ilk was Mike Martz, for instance.

 

also, I dont know why I typed Pollard, I meant Ballard

[minnesotacubsfan]

*Blank* can probably be a decent OC[/DC] but i don't see his personality working as a HC and the leadership qualities needed

 

I mean, this is kinda most of the HCs at any given time.

 

 

not true: Mike Martz

[minnesotacubsfan]

LOL, is that really what he looked like? I only remember him with a hat on and looking like he was freezing on the sidelines

 

 

he could be my former boss's twin. they both suck in life and in the looks department

[WrigleyField 22]

trestman can probably be a decent OC but i don't see his personality working as a HC and the leadership qualities needed (and i don't usually care about that so much but this is an extreme case). too many anecdotes out there of just completely bizarre stuff.

I guess he did a podcast with Marshall recently and they addresseed some of those things though and I guess are more normal now. Basically Marshall felt he would have done better with the now younger generation of players. And that Bears team, especially its leaders were older, so even in about 7 years there's a pretty big generational gap between that Bears team and maybe a young team in 2018, perhaps with a young QB in need of molding too.

 

In true hot take form, I haven't actually gotten around to pod yet, but it sounded interesting though;

https://www.law.miami.edu/about/leadership-gameplan-podcast

Fwiw, it was a decent listen. A little less specific about the Bears centric issues and they weave in and out of Brandon's personal business and leadership.

 

Maybe the most interesting part is Marc says he felt in hindsight he wish he made the hard decision to cut bait with some of the old guard who were never gonna buy in to a different leadership way from Lovie. (he also admits he doesn't think Lovie should have even been fired, maybe a lesson for coaches who may walk into a tough situation like that). He spent a lot of time with guys like Martellus and others and getting their buy in and they did, but it was too much culture shock to many others, particularly the D.