Do You Like the Wilson/Avila for Candelario/Paredes Trade For The Cubs?

[apete6]

Let's try this again.

[jersey cubs fan]

can you be more specific? it sucks for the south bend cubs and iowa cubs, pretty good for the chicago cubs.

[imb]

gonna put this one down as a no

[Aaron_Kennelly]

Yeah, I really want back that fat teenager who hit .217/.323/.348 in low-A after we traded him.

[imb]

i dont care about the guys we gave up, i care that the guy we got back has been a net negative and might not even make the playoff roster when the same pieces could have brought back someone who could throw a strike once or twice a week

[Aaron_Kennelly]

i dont care about the guys we gave up, i care that the guy we got back has been a net negative and might not even make the playoff roster when the same pieces could have brought back someone who could throw a strike once or twice a week

 

We also got back a guy who ended up being our starting catcher for a month while putting up a .257/.368/.432 line. And Wilson could come back next year and be good -- like he has been the rest of his career.

 

Obviously it hasn't worked out great, since Wilson suddenly became horrible. But I'm not quite ready to write it off as a bad trade.

[Sammy Sofa]

He's a horsefeathering bum until he's not, just like the rest of them.

[imb]

i dont care about the guys we gave up, i care that the guy we got back has been a net negative and might not even make the playoff roster when the same pieces could have brought back someone who could throw a strike once or twice a week

 

We also got back a guy who ended up being our starting catcher for a month while putting up a .257/.368/.432 line. And Wilson could come back next year and be good -- like he has been the rest of his career.

 

Obviously it hasn't worked out great, since Wilson suddenly became horrible. But I'm not quite ready to write it off as a bad trade.

 

yeah but there's no option for "ill hold off" so it's either good or bad, and it definitely hasn't been good.

[squally1313]

i dont care about the guys we gave up, i care that the guy we got back has been a net negative and might not even make the playoff roster when the same pieces could have brought back someone who could throw a strike once or twice a week

 

We also got back a guy who ended up being our starting catcher for a month while putting up a .257/.368/.432 line. And Wilson could come back next year and be good -- like he has been the rest of his career.

 

Obviously it hasn't worked out great, since Wilson suddenly became horrible. But I'm not quite ready to write it off as a bad trade.

 

yeah but there's no option for "ill hold off" so it's either good or bad, and it definitely hasn't been good.

 

I get that Wilson was supposed to be the main piece here, but Avila has played really well in Contreras' absence, and being able to go into October (yes, we're making it) with those two instead of some generic terrible backup catcher (aka Victor Caratini) is pretty good. Yes, in hindsight we would have been better off taking any other pitcher from Detroit, but it's a not a total loss, and I'm fine penciling Wilson in as the 7th inning guy for 2018.

[Aaron_Kennelly]

I seem to recall Avila hitting a walk-off two-run single and also hitting a 9th inning RBI triple to drive in the only run of a game. If the race stays this tight, his presence on the team after Willson went down looks pretty valuable.

[Cubswin11]

Also with Heyward sucking hard again, Avila could potentially take his spot in the lineup once Willy comes back as Willy could shift to LF or RF to help boost the offense.

 

Justin Wilson is a gutless, choking bum of a pitcher though. No defense of him coming from me.

[Bote McBoteface]

i dont care about the guys we gave up, i care that the guy we got back has been a net negative and might not even make the playoff roster when the same pieces could have brought back someone who could throw a strike once or twice a week

 

 

We were a baseball team in need of a left handed reliever and a backup catcher and we got both for Candelario who may or may not be an ok backup or below average starter and parades who is an odds on favorite to never make the major leagues.

 

Sucks that Wilson has sucked but its a good bet that will turn around before the contract expires. Avila became our starter, filled in admirably, and had several big or game winning hits for us. It was a good trade and we got the exact return that we needed.

[imb]

i dont care about the guys we gave up, i care that the guy we got back has been a net negative and might not even make the playoff roster when the same pieces could have brought back someone who could throw a strike once or twice a week

 

 

We were a baseball team in need of a left handed reliever and a backup catcher and we got both for Candelario who may or may not be an ok backup or below average starter and parades who is an odds on favorite to never make the major leagues.

 

Sucks that Wilson has sucked but its a good bet that will turn around before the contract expires. Avila became our starter, filled in admirably, and had several big or game winning hits for us. It was a good trade and we got the exact return that we needed.

 

this is an absurdly positive take for a backup catcher and a reliever with a 2 WHIP since he got here. Hell backup catchers are so easy to find that we managed to get a backup to our backup for free and he has a .850 OPS as a cub

[Regular Show]

I think this binary choice is too limiting. It's also too early to make a judgement call on this trade. We don't know what Candelario/Paredes will do or how impactful they'll be down the road. I think Avila could be a vital player for us in the playoffs. That said, J. Wilson sucks and I have no confidence in him.

 

It's early, but this trade doesn't look great right now...