Bears offseason

[davell]

Its less of a crapshoot than a QB in rounds 2 through 4 (let alone anything after that which isnt even worth mentioning).

 

Sure, its fair to question him on everything. I'm not sold, but I hate this crap about next year.

 

 

I think based on FA, it would have been better for this team to have given Glennon a true chance himself. Give him a better group of receivers. Grab an actual immediate impact guy at 3. See if Glennon can become your longterm guy himself. Spend a 2nd on Kizer, give yourself a guy to develop too.

 

You win 8-9 games next year with Glennon, a lot of the QB talk gets put away.

 

And no, I'm not saying it'd definitely happen. But, I'd have preferred trying that approach for sure.

[Derwood]

Most successful QB's were drafted in the first round. But so were JaMarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf and Rick Mirer

[David]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPBtAZktCVU

 

Just stumbled onto this

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Most successful QB's were drafted in the first round. But so were JaMarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf and Rick Mirer

 

The success rate being better in the first round than any other round doesn't mean the success rate is 100%. Geez.

[WrigleyField 22]

Most successful QB's were drafted in the first round. But so were JaMarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf and Rick Mirer

:shock: whoa

[WrigleyField 22]

Guys, Solomon Thomas could be the next JJ Watt or the next Courtney Brown.

 

HARD PASS.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Whats this crap about 1st round QBs being a crap shoot. Its a lot better than any other round.

 

Also whos cares about next years class. You don't get to draft class worth of guys, youre drafting one guy. If that guy meets your criteria, why would you wait?

People who wanted to wait didn't believe any of these guys met their criteria.

Then why not just say that? No need to bring up next years class?

Shrug. I like next year's QB class. I also am not very enamored with Trubisky, don't trust this coaching staff to develop a QB and am hoping they're gone by next year when you ideally pick your QB.

[davell]

Teams are reaching more and more for QB's earlier. WF- I do like next years class. But, I also did NOT like this one.

 

1st round QB's from 1980-1989-18 taken

1990-1999- 20 taken

2000-2009- 26 taken

2010-2017- 22 taken

 

 

Teams are reaching more and more.

 

For those that wanted Trubisky.....If he doesn't pan out, when do you know? And when are you willing to go down the QB well again?

[David]

I'm curious, from those who don't like Trubisky, as to what they see as the major knocks against him. Is it just the red shirt and one year wonder thing?

 

Skill wise he seems to have everything, both physically and mentally (in terms of reading defense and going through progressions and such). He seems a little quiet, but that's about it.

[David]

Most successful QB's were drafted in the first round. But so were JaMarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf and Rick Mirer

 

The success rate being better in the first round than any other round doesn't mean the success rate is 100%. Geez.

 

Here's Derwood Heyman chiming in again with absolutely nothing!

[SpongeWorthy]

Teams are reaching more and more for QB's earlier. WF- I do like next years class. But, I also did NOT like this one.

 

1st round QB's from 1980-1989-18 taken

1990-1999- 20 taken

2000-2009- 26 taken

2010-2017- 22 taken

 

 

Teams are reaching more and more.

 

For those that wanted Trubisky.....If he doesn't pan out, when do you know? And when are you willing to go down the QB well again?

Pull a hinkie and draft a QB high every year you're terrible

[David]

the almost literal man among boys highlights of shaheen vs his d2 competition are quite hilarious

 

[Brian]

I pay pretty much zero attention to the NFL outside of watching Bears games, and I knew that Glennon was signed off of being a back up and having started very few games. But I didn't realize he's only thrown 11 passes in the past 2 seasons. yikes. If you are going to draft a first round QB to be the future of your franchise, wasn't there a journeyman out there that would have been cheaper and could teach the draft pick about actually being a starting QB in the NFL?

 

With the obsession this town has with back-up QBs I actually feel kind of bad for him, they are going to be calling for him to be replaced by the rookie in the 1st quarter of the 1st game no matter what his performance is.

[davell]

I'm curious, from those who don't like Trubisky, as to what they see as the major knocks against him. Is it just the red shirt and one year wonder thing?

 

Skill wise he seems to have everything, both physically and mentally (in terms of reading defense and going through progressions and such). He seems a little quiet, but that's about it.

 

We had this debate a while ago, but it kind of seemed pointless honestly. I don't like his footwork or his arm slot. None of us are scouts, so its kind of a meaningless discussion. I freely admit that with being a UNC alum, I'm probably harder on him, than most.

 

Still, I didn't want any of these guys at 3. Went back and forth many times on this, but I think I go Mahomes, Watson, Trubisky, Peterman, Kizer, Dobbs, and Webb, as far as how I think they end up.

[davell]

I pay pretty much zero attention to the NFL outside of watching Bears games, and I knew that Glennon was signed off of being a back up and having started very few games. But I didn't realize he's only thrown 11 passes in the past 2 seasons. yikes. If you are going to draft a first round QB to be the future of your franchise, wasn't there a journeyman out there that would have been cheaper and could teach the draft pick about actually being a starting QB in the NFL?

 

With the obsession this town has with back-up QBs I actually feel kind of bad for him, they are going to be calling for him to be replaced by the rookie in the 1st quarter of the 1st game no matter what his performance is.

 

He had 18 starts in 2013-2014 though. He's fine as a placeholder. But, if you're going to give a guy that kind of money(even if its just guaranteed for a year), aren't you at least THINKING he can be more than that? If not, why didn't you just bring Hoyer back cheaper? And if you DID think he has a chance, why didn't you surround him with a few more weapons?

[Splendid Splinter]

I'm curious, from those who don't like Trubisky, as to what they see as the major knocks against him. Is it just the red shirt and one year wonder thing?

 

Skill wise he seems to have everything, both physically and mentally (in terms of reading defense and going through progressions and such). He seems a little quiet, but that's about it.

 

This is a bigger deal than you think. Start naming QBs who were/are successful in the NFL that had basically 1 year of starting in college.

 

You got Cam and uhhh.... ???

 

I will say this though, even with the 1 year thing, he's the QB I want if you gave me the option to pick any out of this class.

 

I just thought with how the team roster/coaching is right now and having Glennon that Pace would've been better off getting Adams/Hooker, Lattimore, Thomas/Allen at 3 and keeping those picks.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm curious, from those who don't like Trubisky, as to what they see as the major knocks against him. Is it just the red shirt and one year wonder thing?

 

Skill wise he seems to have everything, both physically and mentally (in terms of reading defense and going through progressions and such). He seems a little quiet, but that's about it.

I remember reading something that said he doesn't do anything great. He's just solid across the board. Like a 3rd starter.

 

 

 

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[David]

This contradicts a lot of the reports that came out early.

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/ct-mitch-trubisky-bears-biggs-spt-0430-20170429-story.html

 

The Bears wanted more information on Trubisky. General manager Ryan Pace saw him play in-person twice last fall, including the Sun Bowl loss to Stanford. They had people go through Chapel Hill multiple times with national scout Ryan Kessenich at the Georgia Tech game Nov. 5.

 

They knew Trubisky was very accurate, an intangible that even the best coaches struggle to teach. They knew he was well liked in the program. They needed more information. They sent Pace, coach John Fox, offensive coordinator Dowell Loggains, quarterbacks coach Dave Ragone and player personnel boss Josh Lucas. They implored Trubisky and his agents to keep it quiet.

 

The night before a 90-minute private workout they took Trubisky to Bin 54 for dinner. They sought answers to what makes him tick.

 

"I knew that could be the team after the workout," said Switzer, who participated. "That went really well, to be honest. Just how in-depth it was. It was a very detailed, long, in-depth workout. They had him throw every pass in the book. They did a bunch of post-snap reads with him, as best as you can with a couple of receivers and a quarterback. They pushed his buttons and made sure what they saw on film was accurate."

 

There was another source of information too. New outside linebackers coach Brandon Staley, a former high school quarterback in Perry, Ohio, just east of Trubisky's hometown of Mentor, had intel. Staley recruited the area as defensive coordinator at Division III power John Carroll in University Heights, Ohio, before the Bears hired him. Staley has known Trubisky since he was a kid and their grandparents are best friends.

 

Student of game

 

The drive to succeed in football goes way back for Trubisky and fifth grade is a good place to start. That's when he was selected as a ball boy for the Mentor High School varsity team. He followed quarterback Bart Tanski, Mr. Football in Ohio in 2007, everywhere he went for two seasons.

 

They selected the balls Tanski wanted to use before each game. Trubisky sat in the positional meetings. He was there for every bit of it.

 

"He soaked it up, which is pretty interesting because he was a fifth-grader," said Tanski, now a graduate assistant at Syracuse. "Usually they're not interested in that stuff. They want to run around and play and throw the football.

 

"He always was asking about stuff and was a football fanatic. He was big into Mentor football and he could sling the ball for a kid."

 

Said Trubisky: "I took that job very seriously and I felt like I was helping the team win and we had really good teams back then. Nothing else mattered but Mentor football at that time. Bart was the first quarterback I looked up to."

 

Trubisky became the varsity starter at Mentor as a sophomore four years after his duties as the school's ball boy duties ended, playing at the Browns' FirstEnergy Stadium in his first game, a victory over rival St. Edward.

 

"We knew that day we had something special," Mentor coach Steve Trivisonno said, who said before the draft Trubisky could be what Clevelander Bernie Kosar was for the Browns in the 1980s.

 

"Don't get me wrong, we would have loved to see him come home," Trivisonno said. "But he is going to be the face of the Bears for a long time because he is a well-spoken, great young man. I know a lot of people are going, 'Who is this kid?' You're about to get someone really, really special."

 

Browns fans have customized jerseys with names of the team's 26 starting quarterbacks since the team returned in 1999. It's a depressing list that makes the Bears' management of the position more competent even if their search for a franchise quarterback has been similarly frustrating.

 

"Get ready to watch," Trubisky said. "I am just scratching the surface. The starts were out of my control. I took advantage of every opportunity I was given in college and that's how I got to this point."

[David]

I'm curious, from those who don't like Trubisky, as to what they see as the major knocks against him. Is it just the red shirt and one year wonder thing?

 

Skill wise he seems to have everything, both physically and mentally (in terms of reading defense and going through progressions and such). He seems a little quiet, but that's about it.

I remember reading something that said he doesn't do anything great. He's just solid across the board. Like a 3rd starter.

 

to me, solid at everything = very good quarterback. especially when his biggest strengths appear to be basically most important parts of QBing- accuracy with ball placement and decision making.

 

aside - some of those comments from those sources are all out meatballery

[davell]

Am I wrong or didn't Trubisky even act like he had no idea the Bears were that interested right AFTER he got picked? Which seems odd, if he knew how much they liked him and had been told to keep it under wraps.

[OleMissCub]

I'm curious, from those who don't like Trubisky, as to what they see as the major knocks against him. Is it just the red shirt and one year wonder thing?

 

Skill wise he seems to have everything, both physically and mentally (in terms of reading defense and going through progressions and such). He seems a little quiet, but that's about it.

I remember reading something that said he doesn't do anything great. He's just solid across the board. Like a 3rd starter.

 

As a non-bias observer, he just seems like a real good QB, but not a great one. I think most people, rightly or wrongly, just expect QB's taken that high to be Heisman type QB's that can make an immediate impact. Although he seems to have all the tools necessary, both athletically and mentally, to be a good NFL QB.

[Derwood]

Most successful QB's were drafted in the first round. But so were JaMarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf and Rick Mirer

 

The success rate being better in the first round than any other round doesn't mean the success rate is 100%. Geez.

 

I'm not saying it is. I was basically joking but "Derwood" so whatever

[davell]

 

This is pretty much how I feel about the last few days.

[raw]

Serious question for those that WANTED a QB at 3.....

 

Why were you so intent on doing it THIS year? We already signed Glennon. The success rates of QB's in the 1st is certainly not great. The fact that in this case, it was going to require taking a guy higher than where he's at on most boards. There's going to be a coaching change he's going to have to go thru soon. You're unsettled at the receiver spots, or on the outside of your O-Line. The team looks very bad on paper and its likely you'd be in or near the same position next year as you are now. Next years class looks better, by far. If its not, you've still got Glennon and a guy like Kizer, who you could have gotten in the 2nd.

 

Just seems like we really rushed this. We're not set up to take this kind of risk, in my mind. The whole "if not now, then when?" narrative is literally answered with "how about any other time?"

 

As a Bears fan, there's obviously an excited part of me. Hopes that Trubisky is awesome. But, looking at this roster and what appears to be ahead of us in the next year or 2, I'm really wondering if this just sets us back even further.

 

I wasn't ever on board with a QB at 3. But, the rest of the draft and FA too, has taken me from kind of liking Pace, to hoping he's gone soon.

 

Because Glennon sucks, and we had the 3rd pick THIS year. This isn't a Garoppolo situation where you don't have enough data to make a decision. Glennon has 18 starts, 630 pass attempts of mediocrity. And as I have said several times, the best chance to get the best QB is to take the best QB as high as you can, not take a guy in the 2nd or 3rd round and then wait for a class that would require several early entrants (and no fall off) from QBs to be as good as this one.

 

This team looks bad on paper, and they're counting on a lot of health improvements to be better than 3 wins. But they played 4 QBs last year, including their starter only 37% of the time. They lost some of their best defenders in Goldman, McPhee, Trevathan, etc. for more than 1/3 of the season each. Lost their best OL for over half the season, and 2nd best for multiple games. And as bad as this team looks on paper, they aren't likely a 3-win team again.

 

If they are NOT a 3-win team and manage to get even 5 or 6 victories, to even get one of the great QBs that everyone is jumping the gun on for next year, they'd have to trade that pick, a first in 2019 and much more. And people are complaining about trading 2 3rds this year.

 

If they are a 3-win team next year, Pace and everyone else is fired and you potentially have a QB in place and are in a prime spot to trade down and get a ton of picks/talent to add to your QB. And if you're Pace and don't have a drafted QB in 3 years as GM for a team needing a QB, that's just stupid on his part.

 

This was the best chance they had to get the best QB in any draft for the last 20 years. You can't pass on that chance based on a chance to be in the same position next year.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Serious question for those that WANTED a QB at 3.....

 

Why were you so intent on doing it THIS year? We already signed Glennon. The success rates of QB's in the 1st is certainly not great. The fact that in this case, it was going to require taking a guy higher than where he's at on most boards. There's going to be a coaching change he's going to have to go thru soon. You're unsettled at the receiver spots, or on the outside of your O-Line. The team looks very bad on paper and its likely you'd be in or near the same position next year as you are now. Next years class looks better, by far. If its not, you've still got Glennon and a guy like Kizer, who you could have gotten in the 2nd.

 

Just seems like we really rushed this. We're not set up to take this kind of risk, in my mind. The whole "if not now, then when?" narrative is literally answered with "how about any other time?"

 

As a Bears fan, there's obviously an excited part of me. Hopes that Trubisky is awesome. But, looking at this roster and what appears to be ahead of us in the next year or 2, I'm really wondering if this just sets us back even further.

 

I wasn't ever on board with a QB at 3. But, the rest of the draft and FA too, has taken me from kind of liking Pace, to hoping he's gone soon.

 

Because Glennon sucks, and we had the 3rd pick THIS year. This isn't a Garoppolo situation where you don't have enough data to make a decision. Glennon has 18 starts, 630 pass attempts of mediocrity. And as I have said several times, the best chance to get the best QB is to take the best QB as high as you can, not take a guy in the 2nd or 3rd round and then wait for a class that would require several early entrants (and no fall off) from QBs to be as good as this one.

 

This team looks bad on paper, and they're counting on a lot of health improvements to be better than 3 wins. But they played 4 QBs last year, including their starter only 37% of the time. They lost some of their best defenders in Goldman, McPhee, Trevathan, etc. for more than 1/3 of the season each. Lost their best OL for over half the season, and 2nd best for multiple games. And as bad as this team looks on paper, they aren't likely a 3-win team again.

 

If they are NOT a 3-win team and manage to get even 5 or 6 victories, to even get one of the great QBs that everyone is jumping the gun on for next year, they'd have to trade that pick, a first in 2019 and much more. And people are complaining about trading 2 3rds this year.

 

If they are a 3-win team next year, Pace and everyone else is fired and you potentially have a QB in place and are in a prime spot to trade down and get a ton of picks/talent to add to your QB. And if you're Pace and don't have a drafted QB in 3 years as GM for a team needing a QB, that's just stupid on his part.

 

This was the best chance they had to get the best QB in any draft for the last 20 years. You can't pass on that chance based on a chance to be in the same position next year.

 

Honestly, I complained about trading up because I didn't value this QB. I know you're of the mind this is possibly their only chance to draft the top QB but I don't think they're topping 5 wins for a few years. I think they would have had an opportunity to pick a QB high again next year with better options. And even if they had to trade up, I would rather it be for QBs the caliber of next year's class than Trubisky.