Bears offseason

[David]

He retweeted Trubiskys tweet and apparently is going to call him "Rich"

 

Cliff notes because hes made like 50 tweets in the last 18 hours.

 

I miss out on so much because he got mad at me over a mildly negative reply to a Tweet of his about lebron's mental toughness

nah, the dude has gone off the rails and tweets gibberish

 

I logged off to look at his account, and wow, you weren't kidding.

[David]

I would be so so happy if we still had Adam Gase. I'd be even happier if he were our HC.

[WrigleyField 22]

I would be so so happy if we still had Adam Gase. I'd be even happier if he were our HC.

Yup. Pace's biggest mistake was going with the Fox-Gase combo instead of cutting the dead weight (disclaimer : I liked the choice at the time)

[David]

I present this admittedly without being smart enough to really have an opinion on this analysis, but it's sort of interesting and would be interested in what smarter people think

 

http://www.windycitygridiron.com/2017/4/28/15470238/2017-nfl-draft-mitch-trubisky-trade-nobody-got-ripped-off-chicago-bears-value-mock

[jersey cubs fan]

I present this admittedly without being smart enough to really have an opinion on this analysis, but it's sort of interesting and would be interested in what smarter people think

 

http://www.windycitygridiron.com/2017/4/28/15470238/2017-nfl-draft-mitch-trubisky-trade-nobody-got-ripped-off-chicago-bears-value-mock

I question an analysis that begins like this:

 

Let me just say that I was not a fan of the trade. First, 99% of the time it is better to move down than it is to move up (for reasons ranging from spreading out risk to the way GMs over-value the high picks). Worse, 99% of the time the penalty paid for giving up future picks is too much, and so it is a bad idea.

 

and concludes he paid what he should have paid because GMs overpay to go higher all the time.

[WrigleyField 22]

I also totally dont buy his 99% claim.

[David]

I present this admittedly without being smart enough to really have an opinion on this analysis, but it's sort of interesting and would be interested in what smarter people think

 

http://www.windycitygridiron.com/2017/4/28/15470238/2017-nfl-draft-mitch-trubisky-trade-nobody-got-ripped-off-chicago-bears-value-mock

I question an analysis that begins like this:

 

Let me just say that I was not a fan of the trade. First, 99% of the time it is better to move down than it is to move up (for reasons ranging from spreading out risk to the way GMs over-value the high picks). Worse, 99% of the time the penalty paid for giving up future picks is too much, and so it is a bad idea.

 

and concludes he paid what he should have paid because GMs overpay to go higher all the time.

 

Well, to be fair, I'm pretty sure the conclusion was that he paid a significant amount less than what GMs have generally paid in these trades.

 

I think there should be some accounting for the relative depths of drafts, though, and I'm not sure how you'd do that.

Edited April 28, 2017 by David

[David]

https://www.profootballfocus.com/draft-pff-scouting-report-mitch-trubisky-qb-north-carolina/

Name: Mitchell Trubisky

 

School: North Carolina

 

Position fit: Starting QB

 

Stats to know: Adjusted completion percentage when pressured was 66.7 percent, tied for No. 1 in the draft class among quarterbacks with at least 80 attempts

 

What he does best:

 

Compact, accurate, quick arm with a three-quarters release. Quick release allows him to get rid of the ball even when under heavy pressure.

Polished passer with consistent footwork and mechanics.

Athletic within and outside the pocket. Very accurate throwing on the move.

Anticipates well on timing routes as well as windows in zone coverage.

Quick-minded and reacts quickly from the time he sees it to time of release.

Discipline with his reads and shows ability to scan the field in full field progressions.

Natural feel and instincts in the pocket.

Consistently accurate ball placement in the short passing game maximizing catch and run opportunities.

Has the arm to drive the ball outside the numbers. Consistently hits the “cover-2” hole in between the cornerback and the safety, much more often than most college quarterbacks.

Values the ball and is a good decision maker.

 

Biggest concerns:

 

One-year starter with limited amount of game tape.

Inconsistent deep ball touch. Ball hangs and forces receivers to adjust too often.

Poor blitz recognition at times leaving him surprised where defenders are coming from post snap.

Feet/mind can start to move too quickly under pressure leading to inaccuracies.

Can get stuck on the spot in the pocket with feet bouncing instead of pushing up in the pocket.

Will overstride getting too long resulting in lost power at times when needing to drive the ball downfield.

Bottom line

 

Despite being a one-year starter, Trubisky is very polished as a passer playing with good balance and consistent mechanics, which leads him to throw with great accuracy in the short/intermediate passing game. Although he comes from a version of the spread in his college offense, he was asked to do many full field progressions and showed he can click from receiver to receiver quickly and efficiently. Has very good pocket instincts and ability to keep eye level up to see receivers down the field while moving within the pocket. His three-quarters release may lead to more batted balls at the LOS but is likely not a huge issue at the next level. Will need to work on hitting his deep shots with more consistent accuracy to keep defenses from sitting at the break point. Shows all of the tools to develop into a very solid NFL starting quarterback and appears to be the safest option of the 2017 quarterback draft class.

[David]

I also totally dont buy his 99% claim.

 

Yeah, I'd like to see how he got to that number.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm in

 

 

 

 

The ramifications of this are pretty huge. If Fox is cool with this, that has to mean he's ready to step down soon. No HC is going into the process of forging ahead with a #2 pick QB with no input into the decision. It's made sense all along that Pace would get one chance to replace a HC before being canned. My confidence in that waned since the Glennon signing but that's probably not the case anymore. The idea that Pace and George decided on Trubisky a month ago and informed Fox 1.5 during the red carpet is a huge slap in the face to a HC, unless that guy is just counting the days to retirement.

[David]

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Weird that he thinks Glennon was a trade lol

[davell]

Pace got his guy. For that, he honestly should be commended. It took some cahones to do it. He went for it. I'll gladly debate other options and all that, but the bottom line is he went for it.

 

My issue with Fox.....1) It was used as an excuse by some beat writers, that our dead men walking coaching staff were a main reason why some FA turned us down.

 

So, why is he still here? Why are you trusting THIS staff to develop Trubisky? Seriously, a year from now, he's probably learning an entirely new system. Which isn't good at all for his development.

 

And God forbid, if he gets some game action and struggles, you're going to have new coaching candidates wishing they got to pick their own QB and possibly declining the job.....

 

Again, this isn't a complaint on Trubisky right now. Its a complaint as to why Fox is still around. Because if you're literally not working with him to build the roster, why is he here?

[minnesotacubsfan]

Cam Robinson in Rd 2 please

[David]

Why the hell are reporters asking him why he didn't stay in college another year?

 

He horsefeathering got drafted #2 overall. He was going to go in the 1st round no matter what. What kind of horsefeathering idiot wouldn't leave school in that case?

[WrigleyField 22]

I also totally dont buy his 99% claim.

 

Yeah, I'd like to see how he got to that number.

I think fans just love hording picks and its always more appealing than the name who gets attached to it draft day.

[jersey cubs fan]

Why the hell are reporters asking him why he didn't stay in college another year?

 

He horsefeathering got drafted #2 overall. He was going to go in the 1st round no matter what. What kind of horsefeathering idiot wouldn't leave school in that case?

they are trying to get a "i am very confident in my ability to succeed in the nfl now" quote

[David]

I also totally dont buy his 99% claim.

 

Yeah, I'd like to see how he got to that number.

I think fans just love hording picks and its always more appealing than the name who gets attached to it draft day.

 

I was just being a smart ass. ;)

[bukie]

The mock drafts and post draft hot takes are exceedingly meaningless, so pointing to them to justify feeling one way or the other about what the Bears did yesterday is pointless.

 

If Trubisky is a hit, then it will have been worth the picks. If he's not, the entire draft was a waste. That means at best right now it's a huge gamble on a player the Bears saw once and never really did a detailed evaluation on. If they were just a QB away or if they had gotten him at 3, there'd be much less concern, but there's a ton of work left to do on the team to make it competitive, and I'm not sure the coaching staff is going to be right over the next couple years to see this through.

[jersey cubs fan]

The mock drafts and post draft hot takes are exceedingly meaningless, so pointing to them to justify feeling one way or the other about what the Bears did yesterday is pointless.

 

If Trubisky is a hit, then it will have been worth the picks. If he's not, the entire draft was a waste. That means at best right now it's a huge gamble on a player the Bears saw once and never really did a detailed evaluation on. If they were just a QB away or if they had gotten him at 3, there'd be much less concern, but there's a ton of work left to do on the team to make it competitive, and I'm not sure the coaching staff is going to be right over the next couple years to see this through.

 

Upon further review I believe Pace has the confidence of George to see this thing through, including keeping Mitch on the sidelines while Fox muddles through 2017 with Gannon, and then he will have his pick of coaches to take on the job of actually winning football games. I don't believe this staff will be able to develop the QB, but it won't hurt him to be in an NFL room with 2 vets and these coaches, breaking down film.

 

Mission 1A for 2017 is keeping Mitch off the field, meaning they have to keep Glennon safe at all costs.

[WrigleyField 22]

The mock drafts and post draft hot takes are exceedingly meaningless, so pointing to them to justify feeling one way or the other about what the Bears did yesterday is pointless.

 

If Trubisky is a hit, then it will have been worth the picks. If he's not, the entire draft was a waste. That means at best right now it's a huge gamble on a player the Bears saw once and never really did a detailed evaluation on. If they were just a QB away or if they had gotten him at 3, there'd be much less concern, but there's a ton of work left to do on the team to make it competitive, and I'm not sure the coaching staff is going to be right over the next couple years to see this through.

 

Upon further review I believe Pace has the confidence of George to see this thing through, including keeping Mitch on the sidelines while Fox muddles through 2017 with Gannon, and then he will have his pick of coaches to take on the job of actually winning football games. I don't believe this staff will be able to develop the QB, but it won't hurt him to be in an NFL room with 2 vets and these coaches, breaking down film.

 

Mission 1A for 2017 is keeping Mitch off the field, meaning they have to keep Glennon safe at all costs.

Depending on how they're doing in a hypothetical Glennon injury, I could see them turning to Sanchez.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Get Robinson and we can likely avoid a QB injury. Or at least try to invest that way

[jersey cubs fan]

The mock drafts and post draft hot takes are exceedingly meaningless, so pointing to them to justify feeling one way or the other about what the Bears did yesterday is pointless.

 

If Trubisky is a hit, then it will have been worth the picks. If he's not, the entire draft was a waste. That means at best right now it's a huge gamble on a player the Bears saw once and never really did a detailed evaluation on. If they were just a QB away or if they had gotten him at 3, there'd be much less concern, but there's a ton of work left to do on the team to make it competitive, and I'm not sure the coaching staff is going to be right over the next couple years to see this through.

 

Upon further review I believe Pace has the confidence of George to see this thing through, including keeping Mitch on the sidelines while Fox muddles through 2017 with Gannon, and then he will have his pick of coaches to take on the job of actually winning football games. I don't believe this staff will be able to develop the QB, but it won't hurt him to be in an NFL room with 2 vets and these coaches, breaking down film.

 

Mission 1A for 2017 is keeping Mitch off the field, meaning they have to keep Glennon safe at all costs.

Depending on how they're doing in a hypothetical Glennon injury, I could see them turning to Sanchez.

without a doubt, but he's last line of defense

[davell]

 

This ain't Bears related, but the other draft thread is dead and I didn't want you guys to miss Foster's story.

[David]

The mock drafts and post draft hot takes are exceedingly meaningless, so pointing to them to justify feeling one way or the other about what the Bears did yesterday is pointless.

 

If Trubisky is a hit, then it will have been worth the picks. If he's not, the entire draft was a waste. That means at best right now it's a huge gamble on a player the Bears saw once and never really did a detailed evaluation on. If they were just a QB away or if they had gotten him at 3, there'd be much less concern, but there's a ton of work left to do on the team to make it competitive, and I'm not sure the coaching staff is going to be right over the next couple years to see this through.

 

Upon further review I believe Pace has the confidence of George to see this thing through, including keeping Mitch on the sidelines while Fox muddles through 2017 with Gannon, and then he will have his pick of coaches to take on the job of actually winning football games. I don't believe this staff will be able to develop the QB, but it won't hurt him to be in an NFL room with 2 vets and these coaches, breaking down film.

 

Mission 1A for 2017 is keeping Mitch off the field, meaning they have to keep Glennon safe at all costs.

 

I get what you're saying and I don't disagree with the overall point, but I don't think it'd hurt if he got a couple games in at the end of the year to get his feet wet and at least go into the offseason with something of an understanding of what NFL game speed is. I think having that and getting that out of the way going into the offseason prep would be beneficial.