Bears offseason

[Rex Buckingham]

I'm kind of torn on him as well. I expect he'll cut down on the running significantly in the NFL. Just looking at the numbers this year, he wasn't an effective runner (3.8 ypc). It's hard for me to project how these spread QBs will do in the NFL. He took so many snaps yesterday from the shotgun and would just stand there flat footed until he decided to throw.

 

College QB ypc numbers are skewed by the fact that sacks are counted as rushing attempts and negative rushing yards, so if he's sacked 3 times for -15 yards in a game, it can take a game of 4 carries for 20 yards to 7 carries for 5 yards. So in an instance like that, the true ypc would be more like 5.0, not the 0.7 that shows up in the stats

[Splendid Splinter]

Here's the thing about Turbisky.

 

Can anyone think of a QB who started just 1 year in college and had a successful career in the NFL? I can't think of one. Maybe Trubisky will be the exception, but that scares me.

Cam Newton immediately came to mind.

 

Hmm... thought he started his sophomore year at Florida. I stand corrected then. Still scares me to draft Turbisky although I do like his tools/skill set.

[David]

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http://www.thetenyardline.com/

 

Maybe this will be decent.

 

As cheesy (and sometimes weird) as I think BN/Brett can be, it's a pretty well run site. I hope this is as good.

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So the upside isn't 39 year old Manning, Brady, Montana still doing their thing. The upside is Donavan McNabb? Downside VY, RG3, Culpepper?

 

I think that may me appropriate risk at 3 in a draft where there is only 1 premier prospect at another premier position.

 

Upside = good black QB. Downside = bad black QB. No chance = good white QB.

[raw]

Here's the thing about Turbisky.

 

Can anyone think of a QB who started just 1 year in college and had a successful career in the NFL? I can't think of one. Maybe Trubisky will be the exception, but that scares me.

Cam Newton immediately came to mind.

 

Hmm... thought he started his sophomore year at Florida. I stand corrected then. Still scares me to draft Turbisky although I do like his tools/skill set.

 

Newton is literally the only example of this working out. I had a list of the 4 QBs who have gone to the NFL with < 15 starts and the other 3 were busts.....though I can't remember who they were.

[raw]

QBs who make their living with their legs are much more likely to have their career be short lived. It's the nature of the job. You can't protect QBs who invite contact.

 

I love the idea of the player, I hate spending a third on the guy.

 

If you're looking for a couple good years and then starting over with a whole new coaching staff and a new QB search after this combusts, by all means.

 

You probably aren't drafting your QB of the foreseeable future with this guy, but you might be drafting your QB of the immediate future. Hope for a little longer duration than the RGIII phenomenon.

 

I feel like this is an archaic way of thinking. First of all, it's completely disingenuous to say Watson "makes his living" with his legs. He's thrown for nearly 9000 yards in 2 years. He is a weapon with his legs, but he ran the ball last night because his RB could do nothing and showed horrible vision.

 

Secondly, I think "QB who runs takes more hits, has shorter career" is overstated. The biggest issue with QBs that can run is that they can't throw well enough. Cunningham had a long career. Vick did, which would have been even longer without prison. Kaepernick, Steve Young, Russell Wilson, etc. Guys like Tyrod Taylor and Marcus Mariota have shown decent durability in 2 years as starters (though admittedly both ended the year hurt in the last game).

 

Lastly, not only do I think that Watson will be less of a runner in the NFL (he was less of a runner in 2016 than 2015). But I also think Watson will slide more in the NFL. College QBs typically don't slide. It's just not a very big part of the college game. I think in the NFL he'll slide, and he won't be used on QB draws and off-tackle runs as the primary run game like he was at times last night.

[WrigleyField 22]

So the upside isn't 39 year old Manning, Brady, Montana still doing their thing. The upside is Donavan McNabb? Downside VY, RG3, Culpepper?

 

I think that may me appropriate risk at 3 in a draft where there is only 1 premier prospect at another premier position.

 

Upside = good black QB. Downside = bad black QB. No chance = good white QB.

I really tried to think of non color based examples haha. It was QBs who made a lot of plays with their legs v those who don't. Notice the lack of Byron Leftwich with the former group. That would have been the give away.

[Splendid Splinter]

Steve Young for upside? Another one I thought of was good Steve McNair. Edited January 11, 2017 by Splendid Splinter

[Guest]

Allen was a no-show last night and Safety is a much bigger need than a DL, and also incredibly hard to find elite players at. If we go defense at 3, give me Hooker or even Adams. If we think we can get those guys by trading back a few spots (possibly picking up a 2018 1st rounder - see the Sammy Watkins trade where BUF went from 9 to 4 and had to surrender a 4th plus next year's 1st) that would be ideal to me since it's a much better class for QBs. DL are also ridiculously deep in this draft. I'd prefer to attack the secondary and get some receivers this year and possibly have 2 top 15 picks next year, if the sucky team that trades for the 3 this year continues to suck next year. We can also possibly use our 2nd and extra 4th to move back into the 1st this year and grab a QB.

[We Got The Whole 9]

Allen was a no-show last night and Safety is a much bigger need than a DL, and also incredibly hard to find elite players at. If we go defense at 3, give me Hooker or even Adams. If we think we can get those guys by trading back a few spots (possibly picking up a 2018 1st rounder - see the Sammy Watkins trade where BUF went from 9 to 4 and had to surrender a 4th plus next year's 1st) that would be ideal to me since it's a much better class for QBs. DL are also ridiculously deep in this draft. I'd prefer to attack the secondary and get some receivers this year and possibly have 2 top 15 picks next year, if the sucky team that trades for the 3 this year continues to suck next year. We can also possibly use our 2nd and extra 4th to move back into the 1st this year and grab a QB.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I want the top QB, DL in Rd 2

[David]

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Cam Newton immediately came to mind.

 

Hmm... thought he started his sophomore year at Florida. I stand corrected then. Still scares me to draft Turbisky although I do like his tools/skill set.

 

Newton is literally the only example of this working out. I had a list of the 4 QBs who have gone to the NFL with < 15 starts and the other 3 were busts.....though I can't remember who they were.

Ryan Tannehill only started 1 year at QB at A&M (played WR at first just to get him on the field) but his NFL career is still TBD. He could be a successful QB or flame out in the next year or two.

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Hmm... thought he started his sophomore year at Florida. I stand corrected then. Still scares me to draft Turbisky although I do like his tools/skill set.

 

Newton is literally the only example of this working out. I had a list of the 4 QBs who have gone to the NFL with < 15 starts and the other 3 were busts.....though I can't remember who they were.

Ryan Tannehill only started 1 year at QB at A&M (played WR at first just to get him on the field) but his NFL career is still TBD. He could be a successful QB or flame out in the next year or two.

 

Tannehill got the starting QB job midway thru his JR year. He had 19 starts in college at QB.

[David]

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-ranking-all-32-nfl-offensive-lines-this-season/?utm_content=buffere40eb&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=nfl

 

15. Chicago Bears (30)

Top overall grade: C Cody Whitehair, 87.2 (No. 6)

 

Top pass-blocking grade: G Josh Sitton, 91.2 (No. 3)

 

Top run-blocking grade: C Cody Whitehair, 82.2 (No. 6)

 

The Chicago Bears still probably can’t believe their luck—they had the league’s best pass-blocking guard land in their lap shortly before the year when Josh Sitton was cut by the Packers. He showed immediately what an upgrade he could be for the team, and in 468 pass-blocking snaps, he surrendered only six QB hurries. Chicago’s interior was arguably the league’s best, with Kyle Long playing well and rookie Cody Whitehair having an excellent debut season at center, having been a college tackle at Kansas State. The offensive tackle combination of Charles Leno Jr. and Bobby Massie was a different story, however, as the pair combined to surrender 73 total QB pressures and 14 penalties all season, with neither grading well in the run game. Tackle is an area for the Bears to focus on in the offseason, because that interior is alreaady excellent.

[Guest]

I disagree with the assessment that they need new tackles. Massie's problems happened early on in the season and Leno is simply an average tackle. With the interior the Bears have, they should be set and only look to upgrade at tackle if the opportunity presents itself. There are more pressing needs.

[jersey cubs fan]

I disagree with the assessment that they need new tackles. Massie's problems happened early on in the season and Leno is simply an average tackle. With the interior the Bears have, they should be set and only look to upgrade at tackle if the opportunity presents itself. There are more pressing needs.

it's a 5 man group and their big money guy keeps getting injured. They should be adding to it every draft. They were decent in the mid-2000s and let it stagnate so it declined in a hurry. They've been fairly focused on it and they should remain focused on it as an area for improvement.

[Guest]

I disagree with the assessment that they need new tackles. Massie's problems happened early on in the season and Leno is simply an average tackle. With the interior the Bears have, they should be set and only look to upgrade at tackle if the opportunity presents itself. There are more pressing needs.

it's a 5 man group and their big money guy keeps getting injured. They should be adding to it every draft. They were decent in the mid-2000s and let it stagnate so it declined in a hurry. They've been fairly focused on it and they should remain focused on it as an area for improvement.

 

In the latter rounds, through trade, and free agency, but not with a top pick. Leno was a 7th round pick and he's graded out as average by PFF, that's still a good value.

 

I'd like to know what Massie's grades were in the second half.

 

Just for comparison's sake, Jordan Mills gave up 57 pressures by himself in 2016.

Edited January 11, 2017 by Stannis

[WrigleyField 22]

I disagree with the assessment that they need new tackles. Massie's problems happened early on in the season and Leno is simply an average tackle. With the interior the Bears have, they should be set and only look to upgrade at tackle if the opportunity presents itself. There are more pressing needs.

it's a 5 man group and their big money guy keeps getting injured. They should be adding to it every draft. They were decent in the mid-2000s and let it stagnate so it declined in a hurry. They've been fairly focused on it and they should remain focused on it as an area for improvement.

OT just looks like it will be a poor value proposition in both draft and FA, at least as far as impact for next year. Yea they may be able to get a development guy in day 3, but the top of the draft looks weak, as do FA starters. Who knows what happens though. Maybe Cam Robinson drops to 36 and its suddenly a good value proposition even if there are bigger immediate needs.

[WrigleyField 22]

I disagree with the assessment that they need new tackles. Massie's problems happened early on in the season and Leno is simply an average tackle. With the interior the Bears have, they should be set and only look to upgrade at tackle if the opportunity presents itself. There are more pressing needs.

it's a 5 man group and their big money guy keeps getting injured. They should be adding to it every draft. They were decent in the mid-2000s and let it stagnate so it declined in a hurry. They've been fairly focused on it and they should remain focused on it as an area for improvement.

 

In the latter rounds, through trade, and free agency, but not with a top pick. Leno was a 7th round pick and he's graded out as average by PFF, that's still a good value.

And he'll have to be resigned in a year. Then he may cease to be a value when not on a rookie deal. Its definitely a position to watch, especially because a lot of other needs look like decent bets to fill via FA.

[Guest]

I disagree with the assessment that they need new tackles. Massie's problems happened early on in the season and Leno is simply an average tackle. With the interior the Bears have, they should be set and only look to upgrade at tackle if the opportunity presents itself. There are more pressing needs.

it's a 5 man group and their big money guy keeps getting injured. They should be adding to it every draft. They were decent in the mid-2000s and let it stagnate so it declined in a hurry. They've been fairly focused on it and they should remain focused on it as an area for improvement.

OT just looks like it will be a poor value proposition in both draft and FA, at least as far as impact for next year. Yea they may be able to get a development guy in day 3, but the top of the draft looks weak, as do FA starters. Who knows what happens though. Maybe Cam Robinson drops to 36 and its suddenly a good value proposition even if there are bigger immediate needs.

 

I'm thinking a cap casualty or something, like Ryan Clady.

[WrigleyField 22]

Jordan Howard to Pro Bowl.

[davell]

WF's mock today for the Bears.....Says he expects Pace and Fox to trade for Romo or sign Taylor, due to the fact they've got a veteran coach and front office. (Ie- job scared, IMO)

 

3) De/DT Jonathan Allen

36) KR/CB Adoree Jackson

67) WR Dede Westbrook

100) S Donnie Miles

106) QB Davis Webb

 

I'm done. Sign me up now.

[We Got The Whole 9]

WF's mock today for the Bears.....Says he expects Pace and Fox to trade for Romo or sign Taylor, due to the fact they've got a veteran coach and front office. (Ie- job scared, IMO)

 

3) De/DT Jonathan Allen

36) KR/CB Adoree Jackson

67) WR Dede Westbrook

100) S Donnie Miles

106) QB Davis Webb

 

I'm done. Sign me up now.

 

horsefeathers, that would be an amazing boost to our speed and athleticism. That, along with the right additions in FA, could get this team to WC contention.

[davell]

Josh Allen is staying in school. So, its Watson, Kizer, Trubisky, and Mahomes that are top 2 round guys.....