Chapman to Yankees

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I could have sworn I read an article about how he could barely watch because he was so disappointed with himself then was overwhelmed when Miggy hit the DONG. or something along those lines

 

Miggy did not hit a homerun in Game 7, brah

no horsefeathers. that's not what was being talked about

[champaignchris]

The farther I get away from it (and Buck's incessant blathering on the subject) the more reasonable Chapman's workload for the Series looks to me.

 

Beginning at the end of the NLCS, his work load was - 3 days off- 1 inning - 3 days off - 1.1 innings - Day off - 1 inning - day off - 2.2 innings - day off - 1.1 innings - 1.1 innings. He'd pitched 7 times in 17 days and it was the first time he'd been asked to work two days in a row in that stretch.

 

And it's not like he'd pitched 90-some innings heading into the Series. It was 66.

 

If he's going to demand that kind of money, he's got to want the ball when the stakes are high. As inflexible as Chapman seems to be about when and how he's pitched plus the fact that he looked gassed before ever hitting the 75 inning mark on the season for the first time in his career, I think I've become ok with not dumping that crap load of money on him.

 

His value doesn't come from being the best 60-ish inning pitcher during the regular season. The difference between him and maybe the 15th best guy in the league at closing out games is two games in the standings at most, which isn't going to be the difference between the Cubs making the playoffs or not. His value, if he's going to make that kind of money, is rather to shorten games in the playoffs.

 

It's unfair to compare him to Mariano Rivera, but if he's not going to be Mariano Rivera - if he's going to be just another really good reliever - there's really no reason for the Cubs to pay him that kind of money when they can pay Wade Davis - a really good reliever - significantly less.

[Sammy Sofa]

Agreed; I remember even thinking at the time that the narrative of him being overused seemed pretty ridiculous. I mean, if the guy can't handle that workload in those circumstances, then he's not really worth what it would take to sign him long term. Hell, it was disappointing that he couldn't even be used liked the rented player he was given how many times he fucked up.

[Splendid Splinter]

The innings isn't why he got overused/worn down. It's the how many batters/pitches he faced in those innings. He almost set his career high in pitches in game 5, then had like 30 pitches 2 days later in game 6 and I forgot how many in game 7 the following night. That's a horsefeathers ton of pitches for a RP in this era. Especially for a guy who throws 100+ consistently.

 

Also... when the last time a RP went 5.1 innings in a 4 day span in the regular season or playoffs?

 

Then again, I don't think he was being overused. I'm just giving the argument for the other side. I'm in the camp of "if you're in the WS, all bets are off and you're doing whatever you can to win." So if you're an elite reliever like Chapman, be ready to pitch every game even if your team is up 5+ runs or down 3. It's the horsefeathers World Series.

[Bear Cub]

Time to move on from Chapman. I dont believe the Cubs win the WS without him. Thanks to him for the effort. He was brought in to be a hired gun in the playoffs. Now he is back with those Yankees who probably wont contend for a couple of years and by then his 102 mph will have dropped to a 95.

[JennieGarthAlgar]

I could have sworn I read an article about how he could barely watch because he was so disappointed with himself then was overwhelmed when Miggy hit the DONG. or something along those lines

 

Miggy did not hit a homerun in Game 7, brah

no horsefeathers. that's not what was being talked about

 

 

Oh my bad. I was confused by the post right before the one I responded to that said this

 

wasn't there a story about that time that said Aroldis was in tears during that, or am I misremembering?

 

I thought that was in game 7

 

it might be both but it was in Game 7 for sure, which actually made me feel sympathetic for the guy a little bit, because it was actually during the rain delay, meaning he held it together to finish the 8th and then pitch the 9th before breaking down.

[mul21]

The farther I get away from it (and Buck's incessant blathering on the subject) the more reasonable Chapman's workload for the Series looks to me.

 

Beginning at the end of the NLCS, his work load was - 3 days off- 1 inning - 3 days off - 1.1 innings - Day off - 1 inning - day off - 2.2 innings - day off - 1.1 innings - 1.1 innings. He'd pitched 7 times in 17 days and it was the first time he'd been asked to work two days in a row in that stretch.

 

And it's not like he'd pitched 90-some innings heading into the Series. It was 66.

 

If he's going to demand that kind of money, he's got to want the ball when the stakes are high. As inflexible as Chapman seems to be about when and how he's pitched plus the fact that he looked gassed before ever hitting the 75 inning mark on the season for the first time in his career, I think I've become ok with not dumping that crap load of money on him.

 

His value doesn't come from being the best 60-ish inning pitcher during the regular season. The difference between him and maybe the 15th best guy in the league at closing out games is two games in the standings at most, which isn't going to be the difference between the Cubs making the playoffs or not. His value, if he's going to make that kind of money, is rather to shorten games in the playoffs.

 

It's unfair to compare him to Mariano Rivera, but if he's not going to be Mariano Rivera - if he's going to be just another really good reliever - there's really no reason for the Cubs to pay him that kind of money when they can pay Wade Davis - a really good reliever - significantly less.

 

As was mentioned already, it's not so much the cumulative use, it's the combination of lots of use over a 4 day span combined with the fact that he's a guy who's not accustomed to throwing that many pitches/innings and probably wasn't equipped to make the necessary adjustments on the fly. I thought him pitching in game 6 was a terrible decision as it was happening and see no reason to change that stance. While the Cubs still won, they made it infinitely more difficult on themselves by not going to someone else with a 4 run lead in game 6 and saving Chapman's bullets for game 7, when they really actually needed them.