Mike Trout

[Little Slide Rooter]

I feel that there's a Mike Trout related thread around here somewhere, but I can't find it. It's probably right in front of my face, but I can't find it.

 

I'm well aware that this is an all out knee jerk reaction based on 2 brutal weeks of baseball, but horsefeathers it, we need Mike Trout. And while when you have a young core such as ours, "need" is a strong word, and want is more fitting. But horsefeathers it, we need Mike Trout.

 

It's no secret that up and down the system, the Cubs are in sorry shape. Ok, that's not true at all. But what is true is that The Angels are in sorry shape up and down the system. The big league club is a big ticket train wreck. They have not a single prospect on the top 100 list. The owe Albert Pujols who even knows how much money as he descends to replacement level. But what they do have is arguably the single most valuable asset in baseball. And horsefeathers it, we need Mike Trout. So here's my preliminary proposal:

 

Angels get:

Kyle Schwarber, Javy Baez, Albert Almora, Dan Vogelbach, and Gleybar Torres

 

Cubs get:

Mike Trout, and cash because other The Angels don't have anything else of value, unless anyone thinks that the carcasses of Jered Weaver, Tim Lincecum, or Huston Street can be salvaged for spare parts.

 

Yes, that's 4/9 of an AL lineup and a top 50 prospect for 1 player. But horsefeathers it, we need Mike Trout, despite the fact that we probably don't.

Edited October 27, 2016 by Little Slide Rooter

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Almora is going to be the Jeter to Trout's A-Rod. No one would trade for A-Rod if they already had Jeter.

[davell]

I think we'd need to include Yelier Peguero or at least an IFA slot.

[Cubswin11]

I endorse this trade

[Little Slide Rooter]

Ok, so maybe we don't need Mike Trout. I'd love Mike Trout, but we don't need him. But this isn't about us. It's about Trout and his current team.

 

The Angels are a train wreck. They have to most valuable asset in baseball in Mike Trout. They also have the ugliest contract in baseball in Pujols. An all out rebuild isn't likely, seeing as regardless of what they did, they'd be on the hook for Pujols contract. But they could move Trout, and there's one team that would be the perfect fit in terms of being in a strong position now, and with assets to spare: The Red Sox.

 

Long story short: Bradley, Benintendi, and Devers for Trout: who hangs up first?

 

Alternate: Bradley, Benintendi and Moncada for Trout and Richards: now who hangs up first?

[Banedon]

The Cubs are in the World Series. Can we save the ridiculous trade proposals and off season talk for one more week?

[biittner77]

The Cubs are in the World Series. Can we save the ridiculous trade proposals and off season talk for one more week?

 

Particularly when it doesn't involve any teams that we care about.

[Little Slide Rooter]

The Cubs are in the World Series. Can we save the ridiculous trade proposals and off season talk for one more week?

 

Particularly when it doesn't involve any teams that we care about.

 

My apologies. Was more of a 36 hours until the next game kind of brain fart than actual concern for a pair of AL teams and their dealings, or lack there of.

[Cubswin11]

Here's a fun thread for laughs....

This maybe a far fetched idea but it does have some merit.

 

Brewers receive:

Trout- Will still be in his prime when Brewers contend. 17' Salary $20,000,000

 

 

Angels receive:

Braun- Angels are on his trade list. 17 Salary $20,000,000

Guerra- Much needed Starter for L.A. 17 Salary $507,000

Thornburg- Much needed relief pitcher for L.A. 17 Salary $2,200,200

Gennett- L.A. has a current hole at 2nd base. 17 Salary $3,000,000

Broxton- Takes over immediately in CF for Trout. 17 Salary $507,000

Nelson- Will be 30 the time Brewers compete. 17 Salary $507,000

 

This trade may seem fantasy like but I could see this working for both teams. If you really want to push the envelope. You could balance the salaries by adding Garza for Pujols if the Angels see the Pujols contract as a lead lifejacket. However, I would want Matt Thaiss for taking on Pujol's contract.

http://forum.brewerfan.net/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=34807

[SRQCub]

Mike Trout will be a Yankee one way or another.

 

Mateo or Torres

Frazier

Kapriellian

Blake Rutherford

Ian Clarkin

 

That's not a bad place to start if you're the Yankees.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

nobody wants Scooter horsefeathering Gennett

[Clem Fandango]

For funsies...

 

Schwarber

Baez

Edwards, Jr.

Happ

Cease

 

And that probably barely gets the foot in the door if I had to guess. Trout is going to take a Bryant or a Seager type player to headline a deal who has established elite big league credentials, costs next to nothing, and is under control for 3+ years. And I'm quite fond of our third baseman. If Schwarber goes out there this year and puts up 30+ dongs with an OPS around .900, perhaps that changes things. But right now Schwarber is the biggest expendable bargaining chip in a deal for Trout and I really don't think they'll want a guy who missed an entire year as a headliner. If Trout gets moved this offseason, it probably won't be to us.

 

And let's be honest, it won't be to anybody. The absolute earliest they entertain ideas is this coming trade deadline and even then they won't be desperate to move him

[Cubswin11]

For funsies...

 

Schwarber

Baez

Edwards, Jr.

Happ

Cease

 

Add Eloy and some combo of Jeimer/Zagunis/Caratini/Pitchers and I think that gets us in the door for conversations/consideration if they were taking offers.

[David]

For funsies...

 

Schwarber

Baez

Edwards, Jr.

Happ

Cease

 

Add Eloy and some combo of Jeimer/Zagunis/Caratini/Pitchers and I think that gets us in the door for conversations/consideration if they were taking offers.

 

It came up back in spring when there was some speculation about trading for Trout, but I don't know that I'd do it...granted, in this case, it's only Schwarber, Baez, and CJ off the MLB roster, but we're so stacked that I don't think consolidating that many talented players to get from, I don't know, 95 projected wins to 99 or something, is really worth it. Having the depth affords you some injury protection, and you already have plenty of really high end talent, especially positionally.

 

Not that I'd shed a single tear over it either. I'd be super excited. I just think there's a bit of a diminishing returns thing going on there. And it would help us lock in some more elite performance in the uncertain future years beyond the very near term.

 

To be completely honest, my view probably made more sense when we were talking about stuff like Bryant and Addy + more back in May than in this case.

[Cubswin11]

For funsies...

 

Schwarber

Baez

Edwards, Jr.

Happ

Cease

 

Add Eloy and some combo of Jeimer/Zagunis/Caratini/Pitchers and I think that gets us in the door for conversations/consideration if they were taking offers.

 

It came up back in spring when there was some speculation about trading for Trout, but I don't know that I'd do it...granted, in this case, it's only Schwarber, Baez, and CJ off the MLB roster, but we're so stacked that I don't think consolidating that many talented players to get from, I don't know, 95 projected wins to 99 or something, is really worth it. Having the depth affords you some injury protection, and you already have plenty of really high end talent, especially positionally.

 

Not that I'd shed a single tear over it either. I'd be super excited. I just think there's a bit of a diminishing returns thing going on there. And it would help us lock in some more elite performance in the uncertain future years beyond the very near term.

 

To be completely honest, my view probably made more sense when we were talking about stuff like Bryant and Addy + more back in May than in this case.

Agree. And my "proposal" is more what I think it would take more than what I'd really like to give. I'd love to have him, even at that price but agree on the dimishing returns along with upgrading in a spot (OF) we are theoretically deepest in where we have to look at the opportunity cost giving up all those guys to upgrade there vs a spot of real need (pitching) over the next 1-3 years.

[Derwood]

Agree. And my "proposal" is more what I think it would take more than what I'd really like to give. I'd love to have him, even at that price but agree on the dimishing returns along with upgrading in a spot (OF) we are theoretically deepest in where we have to look at the opportunity cost giving up all those guys to upgrade there vs a spot of real need (pitching) over the next 1-3 years.

 

Whaaaa? The Cubs' IF has two MVP perrenial candidates, an AS SS, and one of the best players of the past decade at 2B. The OF's current best player is Jason Heyward.

 

The OF's current best player is NOT Heyward if you consider how many OF AB's Schwarber, Zobrist, Bryant and Contreras will get

[David]

Agree. And my "proposal" is more what I think it would take more than what I'd really like to give. I'd love to have him, even at that price but agree on the dimishing returns along with upgrading in a spot (OF) we are theoretically deepest in where we have to look at the opportunity cost giving up all those guys to upgrade there vs a spot of real need (pitching) over the next 1-3 years.

 

Whaaaa? The Cubs' IF has two MVP perrenial candidates, an AS SS, and one of the best players of the past decade at 2B. The OF's current best player is Jason Heyward.

 

The OF's current best player is NOT Heyward if you consider how many OF AB's Schwarber, Zobrist, Bryant and Contreras will get

 

I doubt Contreras sees much OF time at all.

[David]

The OF's current best player is NOT Heyward if you consider how many OF AB's Schwarber, Zobrist, Bryant and Contreras will get

 

That we have to pretend those guys are OFs to juice the numbers only indicates to me further that the OF is not where the Cubs are deepest.

 

Zobrist and Schwarber might literally be full time players, or close to it, there (well, Schwarber maybe just the heavy side of a platoon)...where's the pretending?

[David]

 

The OF's current best player is NOT Heyward if you consider how many OF AB's Schwarber, Zobrist, Bryant and Contreras will get

 

I doubt Contreras sees much OF time at all.

 

Same from Bryant moving forward, at least for a few more years.

 

Depending on health, I could see Bryant getting OF time moreso than I can see Contreras there. I think Contreras is the #1 catcher by a good margin.

[David]

 

That we have to pretend those guys are OFs to juice the numbers only indicates to me further that the OF is not where the Cubs are deepest.

 

Zobrist and Schwarber might literally be full time players, or close to it, there (well, Schwarber maybe just the heavy side of a platoon)...where's the pretending?

 

3/5 of the starting IF are on that list

 

Did you watch the Cubs this year?

 

Sure, with perfect health or close to it, things will change and there will probably be less jumping around...I hope we're lucky enough to have perfect health.

[Cubswin11]

Agree. And my "proposal" is more what I think it would take more than what I'd really like to give. I'd love to have him, even at that price but agree on the dimishing returns along with upgrading in a spot (OF) we are theoretically deepest in where we have to look at the opportunity cost giving up all those guys to upgrade there vs a spot of real need (pitching) over the next 1-3 years.

 

Whaaaa? The Cubs' IF has two MVP perrenial candidates, an AS SS, and one of the best players of the past decade at 2B. The OF's current best player is Jason Heyward.

I meant it more as we have the most options out there, yes the IF is our strength best part of the team but the OF has a lot more moveable parts. All but like 3 position players on what would be the current active roster can't/haven't played the OF over the last 2 seasons and all of Schwarber, Soler, Jay, Almora, Heyward, Bryant, Zobrist, Contreras are reasonable options to play out there this coming year under varying circumstances.