Baez impresses Baez

[Bull]

I mean it entirely depends on who you are trading him for, so it could most definitely be wrong. Active superstar? Top pitching (barf) prospects? Star pitcher (barf). Just trading him because his value is high and you think his wrists are so quick that they might break isn't enough to know.

all of this is true of any trade. I just think some good offers will be made this offseason if he's made available. If not, of course you keep him and continue to enjoy the awesomeness.

[Banedon]

I think you sell high on Baez this offseason. Reading that week of Javy article cinched it for me.

 

 

 

Javy is going to get hurt. As he gets older, he'll get hurt more often.

 

Someone is going to try to replicate the Cubs' success next year. They'll target power and defense. Who better to fill those needs than the guys who had a dozen defensive gems and 8 game winning rbi in this postseason?

 

This is a bad opinion.

I don't like thinking it, and maybe I should've waited until January to say it, but its not wrong. Its bad, but not wrong.

 

There have been a million and a half articles about how the Cubs god-like defense has been on of the major, major reasons that the Cubs have had the success they've had this year. Obviously Baez isn't the sole reason for that, but he's an enormous reason for it. He's continuing to make strides at the plate, and is one of the most fun players in the league to watch play the game. That's not even mentioning the versatility that he brings that Joe absolutely loves.

 

There's zero reason to trade Baez, and thankfully, I don't think Joe or Theo have any interest.

[Bull]

 

This is a bad opinion.

I don't like thinking it, and maybe I should've waited until January to say it, but its not wrong. Its bad, but not wrong.

 

There have been a million and a half articles about how the Cubs god-like defense has been on of the major, major reasons that the Cubs have had the success they've had this year. Obviously Baez isn't the sole reason for that, but he's an enormous reason for it. He's continuing to make strides at the plate, and is one of the most fun players in the league to watch play the game. That's not even mentioning the versatility that he brings that Joe absolutely loves.

 

There's zero reason to trade Baez, and thankfully, I don't think Joe or Theo have any interest.

 

I'm confident Theo views him as an asset.

[Boris]

Trade Baez? This isn't fantasy baseball.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I am currently trying to find a way to have sexual relations with this article.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/that-was-the-week-of-javier-baez/

[David]

I am currently trying to find a way to have sexual relations with this article.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/that-was-the-week-of-javier-baez/

 

lol that article is quoted right on this page

 

but yeah, it's good

[davell]

Sure, Theo DOES view him as an asset. An asset that's improving constantly at the plate. An asset that literally may be the most valuable defensive player in the game. An asset that has an upside that's just silly and an asset that is starting to look like he may reach it.

 

 

Javy ain't going nowhere.

[Cubswin11]

Unless he has to be included as part of a trade for Mike Trout, I have no interest in trading Javy right now and I'd say I'm one of the guys who is most critical/skeptical of him on here. Edited October 13, 2016 by Cubswin11

[Clem Fandango]

So Baez is probably the best defensive 2B in baseball by a laughable margin, and he may be on the cusp of putting together his enormous offensive upside? I'd prefer to keep him.

 

Whats a good profile comparison? Prime years Brandon Phillips with defense that makes Brandon Phillips look like an amateur?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I am currently trying to find a way to have sexual relations with this article.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/that-was-the-week-of-javier-baez/

 

lol that article is quoted right on this page

 

but yeah, it's good

there ain't no link

[David]

I am currently trying to find a way to have sexual relations with this article.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/that-was-the-week-of-javier-baez/

 

lol that article is quoted right on this page

 

but yeah, it's good

there ain't no link

 

yeah, it's further back

 

viewtopic.php?p=108774#p108774

[Cubswin11]

So Baez is probably the best defensive 2B in baseball by a laughable margin, and he may be on the cusp of putting together his enormous offensive upside? I'd prefer to keep him.

 

Whats a good profile comparison? Prime years Brandon Phillips with defense that makes Brandon Phillips look like an amateur?

Phillips has a career 13% K rate, in his prime he was 11-12. Even if Javy continues to improve offensively, which he needs to, to become an everyday guy, he's probably never getting lower than ~20% on his K rate. Which would still be great for him to accomplish that and more than acceptable. I think something like 2014-15 Cespedes, Starling Marte with more power or this years Salvador Perez are the type of profile he could be with transcendent defense as his ceiling.

[Clem Fandango]

That's fair but i was trying to think of the best 2B comparison. Obviously there are better offensive comparisons elsewhere on the diamond.

[Cubswin11]

That's fair but i was trying to think of the best 2B comparison. Obviously there are better offensive comparisons elsewhere on the diamond.

Early career Yankees Soriano is one of the better comps I came across. It's pretty hard to find guys who've had sustained success with a <5% BB rate and >20% K rate in their careers.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=2b&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2016&month=0&season1=1871&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&page=2_30

[David]

That's fair but i was trying to think of the best 2B comparison. Obviously there are better offensive comparisons elsewhere on the diamond.

Early career Yankees Soriano is one of the better comps I came across. It's pretty hard to find guys who've had sustained success with a <5% BB rate and >20% K rate in their careers.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=2b&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2016&month=0&season1=1871&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&page=2_30

 

I'm still holding out hope that for Javy it just clicks one day and he ups his walk rate significantly, sort of like Sammy in 98 (yes, part of that was being pitched around, but there was a definite approach change that year, too). I think it could come as he matures and realizes more and more that he doesn't have to swing and approach ABs the way he does to hit dongs and be a productive hitter. I'm not saying it will, but I think he's talented enough to do it.

[davell]

I don't really see the BB% ever moving past 5-6% or so. I just don't think we'll ever see teams trying to pitch around him. Not when the lineup also has Rizzo, KB, Russell, Schwarber, and Contreras in their primes.

 

Seriously, how horsefeathering good are we going to be in a few years?

[Bull]

Don't get me wrong guys. I LOVE Javy.

 

I just believe that if the rest of the league significantly overvalues him, Theo will be smart enough to take advantage of it.

 

And everyone seemed to miss the part where I predicted he will have 6 more game winning RBI this post season.

[David]

I don't really see the BB% ever moving past 5-6% or so. I just don't think we'll ever see teams trying to pitch around him. Not when the lineup also has Rizzo, KB, Russell, Schwarber, and Contreras in their primes.

 

Seriously, how [expletive] good are we going to be in a few years?

 

Yeah, all I'm looking for is for him to improve his ABs to the point where he can be maybe 6ish, around where he had gotten to in the minors.

 

Although I do think you're overstating the protection thing (as far as how much he will or won't be pitched around because of the rest of our lineup). Guys who walk will walk, guys who don't, won't. I don't think it matters much who is around him. If he's donging enough, though, he'll get pitched "around" more.

[USSoccer]

If Baez learns to consistently go opposite field like Sammy did then he's going to be an incredibly dangerous hitter

[USSoccer]

Also, the solution to at least the OF logjam would be to trade Soler.

[David]

I just don't think having too many talented young position players is a problem. Especially not with Joe Maddon. And we aren't always going to be as remarkably healthy as we were this year (in which, ironically, we did lose one of said core players for 99% of the year).

[Cubswin11]

Also, the solution to at least the OF logjam would be to trade Soler.

That's not really a thing, especially if Fowler leaves. Even if he stays there's enough PAs/platoon situations to take advantage of.

[Banedon]

Also, the solution to at least the OF logjam would be to trade Soler.

That's not really a thing, especially if Fowler leaves. Even if he stays there's enough PAs/platoon situations to take advantage of.

 

If Fowler stays, it's a thing with Schwarber's return. Getting Bryant, Zobrist, Baez, Contreras and Schwarber all in the same lineup would be extremely difficult. And that's not including Soler either.

 

It definitely gets easier if Fowler is gone and Heyward is in CF.

[jersey cubs fan]

Also, the solution to at least the OF logjam would be to trade Soler.

That's not really a thing, especially if Fowler leaves. Even if he stays there's enough PAs/platoon situations to take advantage of.

 

If Fowler stays, it's a thing with Schwarber's return. Getting Bryant, Zobrist, Baez, Contreras and Schwarber all in the same lineup would be extremely difficult. And that's not including Soler either.

 

It definitely gets easier if Fowler is gone and Heyward is in CF.

it won't be a problem when soler is on the DL for 3 months.

[David]

Also, the solution to at least the OF logjam would be to trade Soler.

That's not really a thing, especially if Fowler leaves. Even if he stays there's enough PAs/platoon situations to take advantage of.

 

If Fowler stays, it's a thing with Schwarber's return. Getting Bryant, Zobrist, Baez, Contreras and Schwarber all in the same lineup would be extremely difficult. And that's not including Soler either.

 

It definitely gets easier if Fowler is gone and Heyward is in CF.

You start to reduce old man Zobrist's playing time more and keep him fresher. Plus injuries will happen.