Neil Walker to Mets

[Guest]

Plus, you know, Hammel being a much better pitcher.

[SouthSideRyan]

Plus, you know, Hammel being a much better pitcher.

 

What's that now?

[Guest]

Plus, you know, Hammel being a much better pitcher.

 

What's that now?

 

Yeah maybe "much" was going too far.

[Guest]

Plus, you know, Hammel being a much better pitcher.

 

What's that now?

 

Yeah maybe "much" was going too far.

Pitcher: ERA/FIP/xFIP

Pitcher A: 4.13/4.41/4.11

Pitcher B: 3.74/3.68/3.47

 

He's a much better pitcher.

[Guest]

Look at their career. Or Steamer projections for next year. They're similar guys.

 

And that's good. If they want/need to do Heyward/trade for a SP/trade Hammel, it means the last step can be a value add instead of just dumping money.

[jersey cubs fan]

Plus, you know, Hammel being a much better pitcher.

 

What's that now?

 

Yeah maybe "much" was going too far.

Pitcher: ERA/FIP/xFIP

Pitcher A: 4.13/4.41/4.11

Pitcher B: 3.74/3.68/3.47

 

He's a much better pitcher.

one year sample size?

[Guest]

Look at their career. Or Steamer projections for next year. They're similar guys.

 

And that's good. If they want/need to do Heyward/trade for a SP/trade Hammel, it means the last step can be a value add instead of just dumping money.

Steamer has Niese at 4.04/3.99 and Hammel at 3.79/3.80. A quarter of run better for Hammel is a big difference.

[Guest]

Plus, you know, Hammel being a much better pitcher.

 

What's that now?

 

Yeah maybe "much" was going too far.

Pitcher: ERA/FIP/xFIP

Pitcher A: 4.13/4.41/4.11

Pitcher B: 3.74/3.68/3.47

 

He's a much better pitcher.

one year sample size?

I'm operating under the theory that Bosio brought Hammel to a new level of expected performance.

[Guest]

Plus, I'll say this for the billionth time: I don't trust pitchers with below average strikeout rates.

[Guest]

Look at their career. Or Steamer projections for next year. They're similar guys.

 

And that's good. If they want/need to do Heyward/trade for a SP/trade Hammel, it means the last step can be a value add instead of just dumping money.

Steamer has Niese at 4.04/3.99 and Hammel at 3.79/3.80. A quarter of run better for Hammel is a big difference.

 

It's the difference in Hammel projecting to 2.2 fWAR and 1.7 for Niese. I'd rather have Hammel, but they both fall under the broad distinction of 'averageish SP with the potential to be a little better than that'. Given their similar contract situations, what one is fetching in trade is a decent proxy for the value the other could expect to get. This isn't that Mets fan trying to say that Niese was as good as Samardzija in terms of the gap between them.

[Guest]

Given their similar contract situations, what one is fetching in trade is a decent proxy for the value the other could expect to get.

Wasn't that pretty much the point I made that started this?

[Guest]

Given their similar contract situations, what one is fetching in trade is a decent proxy for the value the other could expect to get.

Wasn't that pretty much the point I made that started this?

 

Yes, and then people disagreed with the exaggeration that Hammel was 'much better'.

[Guest]

Given their similar contract situations, what one is fetching in trade is a decent proxy for the value the other could expect to get.

Wasn't that pretty much the point I made that started this?

 

Yes, and then people disagreed with the exaggeration that Hammel was 'much better'.

Well, at least we agree on the important part. I stand by my assessment of the pitchers, but acknowledge the opinion of others. Have I mentioned I don't trust pitchers with a below average strikeout rate?

[Bull]

Tim, how much do you value strikeout rate for pitchers?

[Guest]

Tim, how much do you value strikeout rate for pitchers?

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[SouthSideRyan]

Pitcher: ERA/FIP/xFIP

Pitcher A: 4.13/4.41/4.11

Pitcher B: 3.74/3.68/3.47

 

He's a much better pitcher.

one year sample size?

I'm operating under the theory that Bosio brought Hammel to a new level of expected performance.

 

Did The Wizard of Bos also bring Niese down to a new level of expected performance?