NFL Week 13

[CubColtPacer]

Also, why is there controversy on the facemask? Hand on the mask + helmet moving has been called since I started watching football.

 

Because he didn't actually grab the facemask. He hits it on the way to grabbing his shoulder. The rule is you have to grab it and then either hold on or twist. That didn't happen. Several years ago, even incidental contact with the facemask was a penalty. That isn't true in the NFL anymore.

 

I'm not surprised they made the call because it looks like a face mask in live speed action. It's an understandable call to be missed but it was missed.

[apete6]

Also, why is there controversy on the facemask? Hand on the mask + helmet moving has been called since I started watching football.

 

Because he didn't actually grab the facemask. He hits it on the way to grabbing his shoulder. The rule is you have to grab it and then either hold on or twist. That didn't happen. Several years ago, even incidental contact with the facemask was a penalty. That isn't true in the NFL anymore.

 

I'm not surprised they made the call because it looks like a face mask in live speed action. It's an understandable call to be missed but it was missed.

 

Unbelievable that they can't go to the replay for penalties like that. I understand not allowing regular holding calls to get reviewed, but a call like that, which isn't a judgement call at all, should be eligible for review.

 

Also, I liked the old incidental facemask 5 yard penalty. The distinction is key IMO, but whatever.

[Flames24Rulz]

Also, why is there controversy on the facemask? Hand on the mask + helmet moving has been called since I started watching football.

 

Because he didn't actually grab the facemask. He hits it on the way to grabbing his shoulder. The rule is you have to grab it and then either hold on or twist. That didn't happen. Several years ago, even incidental contact with the facemask was a penalty. That isn't true in the NFL anymore.

 

I'm not surprised they made the call because it looks like a face mask in live speed action. It's an understandable call to be missed but it was missed.

 

Unbelievable that they can't go to the replay for penalties like that. I understand not allowing regular holding calls to get reviewed, but a call like that, which isn't a judgement call at all, should be eligible for review.

 

Also, I liked the old incidental facemask 5 yard penalty. The distinction is key IMO, but whatever.

 

Even if they did review that, I'm not really sure that would've been reversed.

 

In real speed, that absolutely 100% looked like a face mask. On the replay, it still looks like the defender got a finger on the face mask, although obviously it wasn't anywhere close to what appeared to happen in live speed. As long as there's any contact to the head area of a QB, based on the NFL's rules, that's a penalty.

 

They do need to make PI/face mask/unnecessary roughness penalties reviewable though.

[jersey cubs fan]

Also, why is there controversy on the facemask? Hand on the mask + helmet moving has been called since I started watching football.

 

Because he didn't actually grab the facemask. He hits it on the way to grabbing his shoulder. The rule is you have to grab it and then either hold on or twist. That didn't happen. Several years ago, even incidental contact with the facemask was a penalty. That isn't true in the NFL anymore.

 

I'm not surprised they made the call because it looks like a face mask in live speed action. It's an understandable call to be missed but it was missed.

 

Unbelievable that they can't go to the replay for penalties like that. I understand not allowing regular holding calls to get reviewed, but a call like that, which isn't a judgement call at all, should be eligible for review.

 

Also, I liked the old incidental facemask 5 yard penalty. The distinction is key IMO, but whatever.

Yeah, the old 15 yarder required grabbing and twisting. Getting rid of the incidental just opened the door for more incidentals to be called 15. And you put your hand on the QBs helmet/facemask at any time and you can expect a call.

[CubColtPacer]

Also, why is there controversy on the facemask? Hand on the mask + helmet moving has been called since I started watching football.

 

Because he didn't actually grab the facemask. He hits it on the way to grabbing his shoulder. The rule is you have to grab it and then either hold on or twist. That didn't happen. Several years ago, even incidental contact with the facemask was a penalty. That isn't true in the NFL anymore.

 

I'm not surprised they made the call because it looks like a face mask in live speed action. It's an understandable call to be missed but it was missed.

 

Unbelievable that they can't go to the replay for penalties like that. I understand not allowing regular holding calls to get reviewed, but a call like that, which isn't a judgement call at all, should be eligible for review.

 

Also, I liked the old incidental facemask 5 yard penalty. The distinction is key IMO, but whatever.

 

Even if they did review that, I'm not really sure that would've been reversed.

 

In real speed, that absolutely 100% looked like a face mask. On the replay, it still looks like the defender got a finger on the face mask, although obviously it wasn't anywhere close to what appeared to happen in live speed. As long as there's any contact to the head area of a QB, based on the NFL's rules, that's a penalty.

 

They do need to make PI/face mask/unnecessary roughness penalties reviewable though.

 

Based on the rules though, he's not a QB at that point of the play. He loses that special protection as soon as he throws the original pass. Practically, you might be right, but it's not according to the rules.

[MarkR]

Even as a super excited Packers fan, it was great to see Mike Carey so clearly saying it was definitely a penalty. Is there anyone more brutal in the booth?

[Guest]

What's the longest Hail Mary? That has to be close he threw it from just beyond the 35

yet the Lions are all lined up in the back of the end zone like he's gonna just heave it 80 yards

 

There were inexplicably 2 lions on the sidelines at around the 20 yard line

and Haloti Ngata on the field

 

like, he could have been left completely unblocked and his slow ass wouldn't have affected the play in any way...oh, that Jim Caldwell

 

He said after the game that he thought the final play was going to be a lateral play. lol.

 

Jim Caldwell continues to be the best.

 

I remember when the Jets were content to try a 50 yard field goal in the playoffs against Indy but Caldwell called a timeout with 30 seconds so they could get the ball back. Since it wasn't 4th down, the Jets decided to run another play, picked up 18 yards and kicked a 32 yarder to win. I don't remember the other scenarios but he blew at least one other game that year also.

[Derwood]

So in the first 3 minutes of the Indy Pitt game, we have a fumbled opening kickoff, an interception at the 1 foot line, and then another fumble.