8/19 Tigers (Norris) @ Cubs (Lester) 7:05 PM WPWR, ESPN

[Agony and Ivy]

Where do I sign the butters game thread petition?

[treebird]

desperate times call for desperate measures. whoever is up next should give up his or her spot in line and let butters go again.

[Aaron_Kennelly]

OH CRAP, A PITCHER WHO CAN'T HIT.

 

You're just being willfully contrarian. You know pitchers can add to their value by being a competent bat. Zambrano added like 1.5 WAR one year, and Lester is literally the worst hitting pitcher in the game. You don't see how that lessens his value in the NL?

 

For a good as a pitcher he can be, he continually shoots himself in the foot with pretty much every other single aspect of NL baseball.

 

Zambrano is a clear outlier and a really stupid comparison point. Lester is obviously a [expletive] hitter even by pitcher standards, but ultimately most of them are just varying versions of the same [expletive] hitter.

 

He's not a clear outlier, current pitchers like Bumgarner and Greinke hit the ball amazingly well, which is what adds to them being 'elite' (and former ones like Maddux). Lester does not do these things.

 

I really enjoyed this exchange. Zambrano's 1.4 offensive WAR in 2008 was the most any pitcher has had in over 40 years.

 

Clearly not an outlier, though. :lol:

[Aaron_Kennelly]

I like how sontensei has become the Donald Trump of NSBB.

 

Yes! This is perfect.

[hawkeyecub]

Bryant is for sure limping

 

Probably from being so bad lately, right?

[Little Slide Rooter]

If Bryant needs to take an extended break (of the 15 day variety / precautionary of course) we may see Baez before September..

 

I know its the middle of a race, but a guy like that I wouldnt want to take many chances with. Rather have him rest a little and be strong in september than potential get hurt worse..

 

Roster expansion's a week and a half away. In need be, he can take a day or two here and there and pinch hit when needed. No need to fiddle with the roster at this point.

[Guest]

what the hell is going on in here

 

got pretty drunk at the game last night after the way it started. what felt really weird was that i never felt like we were out of it. i haven't felt that about our offense since 08.

[UMFan83]

what the hell is going on in here

 

got pretty drunk at the game last night after the way it started. what felt really weird was that i never felt like we were out of it. i haven't felt that about our offense since 08.

 

I agree with never feeling out of it. Even when Bryant hit that triple in the 9th, I thought hey maybe we can make a epic rally here.

[Guest]

also, i saw bryant's HR the whole way and never in a million years thought it would get out