Front Office Thread

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Yes, more Jason Hammels, who we are pondering skipping for a bullpen game.

 

We've got our all-world mega-ace going in the WC game. How'd we get him again? By going huge on a free agent in the offseason, or by spreading it around on lots of pitching bets?

[Guest]

I just want to be saving enough payroll to give Harper the $350M contract in 2019.

 

Spending tons of money on pitchers in their mid-30's doesn't help with that goal. Nor will it likely help make that team dominant.

[imb]

I really don't understand how somebody could look at our current situation, and say nah, let's stay out of the David Price derby, and sign multiple Jason Hammels.

 

I kind of don't want 1/3rd of our payroll in 2017 tied up in a pair of 33-year-old pitchers.

 

I don't want to be pondering a bullpen game in the 2016 playoffs.

 

[expletive] thank you

[Guest]

Yes, more Jason Hammels, who we are pondering skipping for a bullpen game.

 

We've got our all-world mega-ace going in the WC game. How'd we get him again? By going huge on a free agent in the offseason, or by spreading it around on lots of pitching bets?

 

and now we are in a stage where we can't afford to gamble on those types of guys as much and need to commit the resources to guys who are better bets to deliver high levels of performance.

[Guest]

I just want to be saving enough payroll to give Harper the $350M contract in 2019.

 

what perfect timing that is for the best free agent since carlos beltran to be coming onto the market

[Hairyducked Idiot]

and now we are in a stage where we can't afford to gamble on those types of guys as much and need to commit the resources to guys who are better bets to deliver high levels of performance.

 

*shrug* I disagree, but it's not like I'll be furious if they sign Price. It's better than doing nothing.

[imb]

Yes, more Jason Hammels, who we are pondering skipping for a bullpen game.

 

We've got our all-world mega-ace going in the WC game. How'd we get him again? By going huge on a free agent in the offseason, or by spreading it around on lots of pitching bets?

 

do we really want to spend any time whatsoever from this little window of cheap offensive production we've constructed for ourselves hoping to get lucky on a bunch of small pitcher bets? This isn't online poker

[SouthSideRyan]

Yes, more Jason Hammels, who we are pondering skipping for a bullpen game.

 

We've got our all-world mega-ace going in the WC game. How'd we get him again? By going huge on a free agent in the offseason, or by spreading it around on lots of pitching bets?

 

We also saw what happened when we signed Edwin Jackson to a 4 year deal, so hopefully we can dump Lester and replace him with Jeremy Hellickson and Mike Montgomery.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Yes, more Jason Hammels, who we are pondering skipping for a bullpen game.

 

We've got our all-world mega-ace going in the WC game. How'd we get him again? By going huge on a free agent in the offseason, or by spreading it around on lots of pitching bets?

 

do we really want to spend any time whatsoever from this little window of cheap offensive production we've constructed for ourselves hoping to get lucky on a bunch of small pitcher bets? This isn't online poker

 

It's pitching. You're hoping to get lucky no matter what you do. I'd rather bet on two great pitchers and 10 OK ones than 3 great pitchers and 6 OK ones.

[SouthSideRyan]

Yes, more Jason Hammels, who we are pondering skipping for a bullpen game.

 

We've got our all-world mega-ace going in the WC game. How'd we get him again? By going huge on a free agent in the offseason, or by spreading it around on lots of pitching bets?

 

do we really want to spend any time whatsoever from this little window of cheap offensive production we've constructed for ourselves hoping to get lucky on a bunch of small pitcher bets? This isn't online poker

 

It's pitching. You're hoping to get lucky no matter what you do. I'd rather bet on two great pitchers and 10 OK ones than 3 great pitchers and 6 OK ones.

 

That seems like an awful [expletive] bet.

[Guest]

Why are people pretending that there's a huge gulf in expected performance between Price and the next tier down?

[SouthSideRyan]

As someone who trended towards Kyle's side on THE PLAN, and isn't as negative towards him as most...I have no Earthly idea what his issue was with the previous 3 years (other than the obvious endless losing) based on his stance in this thread..

[Guest]

Why are people pretending that there's a huge gulf in expected performance between Price and the next tier down?

 

I'm not sure where people are doing that, but I'd say there's a decent chance that that gulf is wider than the one between what Price and those guys get paid.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2015&month=0&season1=2015&ind=0

[Guest]

As someone who trended towards Kyle's side on THE PLAN, and isn't as negative towards him as most...I have no Earthly idea what his issue was with the previous 3 years (other than the obvious endless losing) based on his stance in this thread..

I believe that he's taking the position that resources are not endless and that there are better ways to spend them than tying them up in a 30+ year old pitcher for the next seven years.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

As someone who trended towards Kyle's side on THE PLAN, and isn't as negative towards him as most...I have no Earthly idea what his issue was with the previous 3 years (other than the obvious endless losing) based on his stance in this thread..

 

Different situation.

 

The 2012 Cubs *needed* a major infusion of talent to avoid a three-year cliff dive. This team needs to hedge its bets, because the only thing stopping it is "LOL pitchers." Which is a real concern, because our pitching is old and thin.

Edited September 29, 2015 by Hairyducked Idiot

[davell]

There's so many moving parts right now, that I've got no clue who we'll trade. But we certainly have the ability to trade for multiple good controllable SP's, if that's what we want to do. If we keep Dexter, I'm starting to think that's the route we'll be forced to take.

[Guest]

i mean [expletive] seriously

 

imagine our dong filled young lineup backed by a rotation that looks something like (just spitballing on ross)

 

arrieta, price, lester, ross, hendricks/hammel

 

how does that team even lose more than 2 games in a row at any point?

 

Go ask the Nationals and the Dodgers.

 

this is about the most extreme example you could use to display the importance of managers

 

Not really, let's keep it straight to the performance of the SP:

 

The Dodgers had to trade for Mat Latos(on purpose!) and Alex Wood because they lost McCarthy and Ryu. Part of that is probably bad fortune, part of that is 'Brandon McCarthy is injury-prone', and part of that is not having enough SP depth to avoid their current rotation of Kershaw/Greinke/sorrow/weeping/teeth-gnashing.

 

The Nationals went 6 deep with quality starters, until Roark and Fister both unexpectedly cratered, and they needed some unexpectedly good play from Ross to bridge that gap. Strasburg and Gio both way underperformed their FIP too.

 

The point here isn't 'don't add really good pitchers', but rather that pitching means next to nothing on paper. If they have the money I'd really like to see them spend on their favorite of Price/Zimmermann because of concerns about depth/durability, but if they decide that the best option with the available money is to ramp up the numbers instead, I'm probably not going to have a huge problem with that.

[ctcf]

i mean [expletive] seriously

 

imagine our dong filled young lineup backed by a rotation that looks something like (just spitballing on ross)

 

arrieta, price, lester, ross, hendricks/hammel

 

how does that team even lose more than 2 games in a row at any point?

 

Go ask the Nationals and the Dodgers.

 

this is about the most extreme example you could use to display the importance of managers

 

Not really, let's keep it straight to the performance of the SP:

 

The Dodgers had to trade for Mat Latos(on purpose!) and Alex Wood because they lost McCarthy and Ryu. Part of that is probably bad fortune, part of that is 'Brandon McCarthy is injury-prone', and part of that is not having enough SP depth to avoid their current rotation of Kershaw/Greinke/sorrow/weeping/teeth-gnashing.

 

The Nationals went 6 deep with quality starters, until Roark and Fister both unexpectedly cratered, and they needed some unexpectedly good play from Ross to bridge that gap. Strasburg and Gio both way underperformed their FIP too.

 

The point here isn't 'don't add really good pitchers', but rather that pitching means next to nothing on paper. If they have the money I'd really like to see them spend on their favorite of Price/Zimmermann because of concerns about depth/durability, but if they decide that the best option with the available money is to ramp up the numbers instead, I'm probably not going to have a huge problem with that.

 

Thanks. I certainly wasn't trying to make a point about managers. Just the craziness of the (I know not totally serious) "how could they lose two games in a row" comment. A super strong rotation just isn't a guarantee for success in the regular season, let alone the playoffs. Just look at the rotations of the Royals and Giants last year. While that certainly doesn't mean "don't go out and sign more pitching" it does mean that I'm not going to be broken up if they pursue more mid-tier options rather than a Price type.

[Guest]

i mean [expletive] seriously

 

imagine our dong filled young lineup backed by a rotation that looks something like (just spitballing on ross)

 

arrieta, price, lester, ross, hendricks/hammel

 

how does that team even lose more than 2 games in a row at any point?

 

Go ask the Nationals and the Dodgers.

 

this is about the most extreme example you could use to display the importance of managers

 

Not really, let's keep it straight to the performance of the SP:

 

The Dodgers had to trade for Mat Latos(on purpose!) and Alex Wood because they lost McCarthy and Ryu. Part of that is probably bad fortune, part of that is 'Brandon McCarthy is injury-prone', and part of that is not having enough SP depth to avoid their current rotation of Kershaw/Greinke/sorrow/weeping/teeth-gnashing.

 

The Nationals went 6 deep with quality starters, until Roark and Fister both unexpectedly cratered, and they needed some unexpectedly good play from Ross to bridge that gap. Strasburg and Gio both way underperformed their FIP too.

 

The point here isn't 'don't add really good pitchers', but rather that pitching means next to nothing on paper. If they have the money I'd really like to see them spend on their favorite of Price/Zimmermann because of concerns about depth/durability, but if they decide that the best option with the available money is to ramp up the numbers instead, I'm probably not going to have a huge problem with that.

 

Thanks. I certainly wasn't trying to make a point about managers. Just the craziness of the (I know not totally serious) "how could they lose two games in a row" comment. A super strong rotation just isn't a guarantee for success in the regular season, let alone the playoffs. Just look at the rotations of the Royals and Giants last year. While that certainly doesn't mean "don't go out and sign more pitching" it does mean that I'm not going to be broken up if they pursue more mid-tier options rather than a Price type.

 

And I certainly wasn't implying that you were trying to make a point about managers.

 

I was taking a lazy shot at Williams and Mattingly.

[ctcf]

That said, please bring me Tyson Ross because I lovelovelovelove him.

[ctcf]

And I certainly wasn't implying that you were trying to make a point about managers.

 

I was taking a lazy shot at Williams and Mattingly.

 

Who should both be launched into the sun.

[ctcf]

wait is this post from the Doubting Theo tumblr actually Kyle or not actually Kyle. I can't decide, but am leaning not actually Kyle. If not, it's a wonderful impersonation.

 

http://41.media.tumblr.com/1fae035f11aa71e172c1f8f67117e3fe/tumblr_nvgfrgUhyr1uhfs3jo1_1280.png

[imb]

regardless, he has expressed that same sentiment before so whats the difference

[ctcf]

regardless, he has expressed that same sentiment before so whats the difference

 

Hahahaha

 

Actually the guy who runs the tublr included the note "He really wanted to be included, so …" which leads me to believe it IS Kyle

[Sammy Sofa]

Oh God, that stupid [expletive] fist of logic thing. I completely forgot.