Sellers at the deadline

[toonsterwu]

You can hope that we won't be trading away key prospects without us being sellers. We could ... after all ... stand pat. At the end of the day, they need to be start being competitive at some point.

 

Furthermore, it's not like we can't "buy" without giving up top tier prospects. We can move 2nd tier guys, keep our top guys, make a run, and then go fill holes in FA in the winter. That's my preferred route anyways (meaning, I'd rather us not shell out for a big time trade unless the price is really a win for us, which I don't see happening because the lack of sellers, but who knows).

[toonsterwu]

Alright look at the past what other teams traded for impact players for [expletive] sake the A's had to give up 2 studs for Shark and Hammel (Rental) granted Shark got them a good white sox prospect afterwards. If they have to give up top 5 caliber prospects to get a guy for 2 months its just not worth it to me.

 

Why do we need "studs"?

 

I look at this roster, and the only spot one might argue for a need for a "stud" is if you think we need a closer. Otherwise, for better or worse, we are tied to youth at a lot of spots.

 

Again, Jason Hammel is pitching lights out. Maybe he takes a step back, but Arrieta/Lester are an excellent combo. We can WANT a stud 3rd starter, but it isn't a need. For all the talk about Zobrist, we can go after a guy to platoon with Coghlan in LF if we don't think Schwarber is ready to move there/they don't want to give up the Schwarber at C effort yet (in another thread, I advocated the idea of Steve Pearce).

[toonsterwu]

jus saying personally im cool with trading big chips if were leading the division, to strengthen the team, but not to try for a wildcard.. guess im a wierdo. :hello:

 

Well ... first off, again ... we need a 3rd/4th starter. There's going to be guys available that won't cost us Schwarber or Baez (it wouldn't surprise me if some folks here were okay dealing Baez to make a push). I've suggested Wei-Yin Chen from the Orioles if they fall out. There's going to be those mid-rotation arms available that are impending FA's that won't cost an arm and a leg. Jeff Samardzija comes to mind.

 

Before going any further, I guess you need to define big chips then. Really ... Schwarber, Torres, and maybe Baez are about the only big chips ... and even then, I think I can talk myself into being okay with a deal involving them if the right return happened (hypothetically ... I can't think of any legitimate trade target off the top). Personally, I don't want to move Underwood, but I think that'll draw mixed opinions. Other than that, thee's no one that isn't replaceable.

[KrisBryantisaBeast]

Alright look at the past what other teams traded for impact players for [expletive] sake the A's had to give up 2 studs for Shark and Hammel (Rental) granted Shark got them a good white sox prospect afterwards. If they have to give up top 5 caliber prospects to get a guy for 2 months its just not worth it to me.

 

Why do we need "studs"?

 

I look at this roster, and the only spot one might argue for a need for a "stud" is if you think we need a closer. Otherwise, for better or worse, we are tied to youth at a lot of spots.

 

Again, Jason Hammel is pitching lights out. Maybe he takes a step back, but Arrieta/Lester are an excellent combo. We can WANT a stud 3rd starter, but it isn't a need. For all the talk about Zobrist, we can go after a guy to platoon with Coghlan in LF if we don't think Schwarber is ready to move there/they don't want to give up the Schwarber at C effort yet (in another thread, I advocated the idea of Steve Pearce).

 

I definitely want a stud closer for sure. Whether its Chapman or Papelbon I think that's our biggest need. For starting pitching I would be okay with either not adding a starting pitcher at all or adding a rental that won't cost much in terms of prospects. With the Soler injury we definitely need an outfielder now. For an outfielder we should definitely look at the rental types because it seems like Schwarber and or Bryant is destined for the outfield so a cheap rental is best for this hole.

[Guest]

Soler is only out for 2-3 weeks - that really doesn't impact whether we need an OF or not as I doubt we make a big move before he gets back.

[KrisBryantisaBeast]

Soler is only out for 2-3 weeks - that really doesn't impact whether we need an OF or not as I doubt we make a big move before he gets back.

 

Ahh I read somewhere that he was out for 6 weeks. 2 to 3 weeks is obviously better but if the Mariners can trade for Trumbo then there's a chance we could pick up someone soon I guess.

[Guest]

Soler is only out for 2-3 weeks - that really doesn't impact whether we need an OF or not as I doubt we make a big move before he gets back.

 

Ahh I read somewhere that he was out for 6 weeks. 2 to 3 weeks is obviously better but if the Mariners can trade for Trumbo then there's a chance we could pick up someone soon I guess.

We certainly could make a move sooner. I don't think they'll base it on Soler unless they really do think there's a chance he'll be out much longer.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Soler is only out for 2-3 weeks - that really doesn't impact whether we need an OF or not as I doubt we make a big move before he gets back.

 

Ahh I read somewhere that he was out for 6 weeks. 2 to 3 weeks is obviously better but if the Mariners can trade for Trumbo then there's a chance we could pick up someone soon I guess.

We certainly could make a move sooner. I don't think they'll base it on Soler unless they really do think there's a chance he'll be out much longer.

 

Or we could just go with Baez and/or Schwarber.

[ctcf]

I would just like to say sneakypower was doing the lord's work with those Sellers gifs earlier.

[dcvalpo]

Sontensai is a SlideCastroSlide mult.

[sontensei]

Sontensai is a SlideCastroSlide mult.

 

whats a mult

[Little Slide Rooter]

Sontensai is a SlideCastroSlide mult.

 

Is that like an alternate user name? IE dcvalpo/CubsGM/alfonsosoriano?

[dcvalpo]

More convinced than ever.

[TruffleShuffle]

i do have to say, it would be pretty funny if the cubs traded hammel at the deadline. bad, but funny.

[Little Slide Rooter]

As baffling as that trade still is to me, when you think in terms of the long haul, while we still come out the clear winner, it's wasn't that awful for the others involved.

 

The A's should have ended up running away with their division on the heels of that trade. Billy knew that if he chose to, he could flip Shark for a solid return in the Winter. And he did end up with a very solid young SS who's under control for another 5 years.

 

Even the White Sox, if they have any sense, should be able to get something of value for Shark. He's been inconsistent to say the least, but the K's are still there.

[SABR Gamer]

I respect the people in this thread for not being meaner than they have been.

[toonsterwu]

As baffling as that trade still is to me, when you think in terms of the long haul, while we still come out the clear winner, it's wasn't that awful for the others involved.

 

The A's should have ended up running away with their division on the heels of that trade. Billy knew that if he chose to, he could flip Shark for a solid return in the Winter. And he did end up with a very solid young SS who's under control for another 5 years.

 

Even the White Sox, if they have any sense, should be able to get something of value for Shark. He's been inconsistent to say the least, but the K's are still there.

 

Most "go for it" trades tend to be viewed poorly in retrospect (the Indians Colon for Lee/Sizemore/Phillips trade comes to mind), but in this instance, I don't fault the idea of what Beane did (trading his top guy for arms to make an early push to try and make a run), but I do question if his targets where the best choices to be giving up Russell. Of course, he bounced back to do the Cespedes for Lester trade to get his TOR arm.

 

It's been a fascinating year of moves for them. Was fairly intrigued with what they did this winter, but as with baseball, you can't plan for everything.

[hawkeyecub]

I respect the people in this thread for not being meaner than they have been.

 

I don't.

[Little Slide Rooter]

As baffling as that trade still is to me, when you think in terms of the long haul, while we still come out the clear winner, it's wasn't that awful for the others involved.

 

The A's should have ended up running away with their division on the heels of that trade. Billy knew that if he chose to, he could flip Shark for a solid return in the Winter. And he did end up with a very solid young SS who's under control for another 5 years.

 

Even the White Sox, if they have any sense, should be able to get something of value for Shark. He's been inconsistent to say the least, but the K's are still there.

 

Most "go for it" trades tend to be viewed poorly in retrospect (the Indians Colon for Lee/Sizemore/Phillips trade comes to mind), but in this instance, I don't fault the idea of what Beane did (trading his top guy for arms to make an early push to try and make a run), but I do question if his targets where the best choices to be giving up Russell. Of course, he bounced back to do the Cespedes for Lester trade to get his TOR arm.

 

It's been a fascinating year of moves for them. Was fairly intrigued with what they did this winter, but as with baseball, you can't plan for everything.

 

Keep in mind this was early July, and the market had yet to take shape. At the time, Shark was looking as good as any pitcher in the league, and Hammel wasn't too far behind.

[biittner77]

Instead of calling up Schwarber, why not promote Christian Villanueva instead? He can play third- I've never heard anything bad about his defense. He's had a pretty good season at AAA. If he flops it's not a great loss since there are other guys ahead and behind him.

[mul21]

Instead of calling up Schwarber, why not promote Christian Villanueva instead? He can play third- I've never heard anything bad about his defense. He's had a pretty good season at AAA. If he flops it's not a great loss since there are other guys ahead and behind him.

 

Because the whole point is to bring up someone who can, you know, hit. Villanueva is a huge question mark in that aspect at best.

[biittner77]

He's been hitting this seasos. Granted it's the PCL which is a hitter's league but he's ~ an .840 ops. without any crazy unsustainable BABIP.

 

The point of this move would be to promote a guy that you wouldn't mind sending back down in a couple weeks and who's development won't be side tracked by what likely amounts to a cup of coffee. If you promote Schwarber and he hits- and there's no guarantee that he will- it will be harder to justify sending him back down to learn to play catcher. The Cubs were patient with Bryant and Baez. It seems unlikely that they will try to rush Schwarber just because they need a DH for a couple weeks.

[Sammy Sofa]

If you promote Schwarber and he hits- and there's no guarantee that he will- it will be harder to justify sending him back down to learn to play catcher.

 

It's incredibly easy for them to justify it; they don't have the DH year-round, and he's not ready to play catcher or the OF for the team.

[Guest]

The easy answer is to bring up Vogelbach.

[KrisBryantisaBeast]

After tonight's game it's clear we cant hang with the good teams. It's time to sell off Lester, Rizzo, Bryant and anyone else of value for as many A ball prospects as we can collect.