Javy called up to Cubs

[ConstableRabbit]

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2014&month=0&season1=1871&ind=0&team=17&rost=0&age=&filter=&players=0

silly rabbit, baseball before 1900 doesn't count. http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2014&month=0&season1=1900&ind=0&team=17&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=20,d

Ok ok... I do love me some Cap Anson though.

[Guest]

I voted Baez only because Sosa wasn't an option. Leaving Sammy off that list is total [expletive]. I love Wood and Santo, but they are in no way greater players than Sammy. Hell, Sandberg and Banks are about the only possible ones to vote over Sammy.

Santo's career fWAR = 70.9

Sosa's career fWAR = 60.3

 

In a similar amount of games played, Sosa would be right there with Santo, FWIW.

[CubInOK]

I voted Baez only because Sosa wasn't an option. Leaving Sammy off that list is total [expletive]. I love Wood and Santo, but they are in no way greater players than Sammy. Hell, Sandberg and Banks are about the only possible ones to vote over Sammy.

Santo's career fWAR = 70.9

Sosa's career fWAR = 60.3

 

In a similar amount of games played, Sosa would be right there with Santo, FWIW.

Santo as a Cub = .03382 WAR/G

Sosa as a Cub = .03368 WAR/G

 

So, yea probably.

[TruffleShuffle]

wasn't cap anson one of the worst racists in baseball history?

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

fangraphs doesn't have a stat for that.

[Sammy Sofa]

wasn't cap anson one of the worst racists in baseball history?

 

About an 8.3 on the Cobb Scale.

[neely crenshaw]

Only Cub fans would vote for a guy who has yet to play a ML game as the greatest player ever in their organization over guys who had actual good/great careers and hall of famers.

[mul21]

I voted Baez only because Sosa wasn't an option. Leaving Sammy off that list is total [expletive]. I love Wood and Santo, but they are in no way greater players than Sammy. Hell, Sandberg and Banks are about the only possible ones to vote over Sammy.

Santo's career fWAR = 70.9

Sosa's career fWAR = 60.3

 

In a similar amount of games played, Sosa would be right there with Santo, FWIW.

 

Well that's kind of a huge qualifier isn't it? I mean if two guys average 20 HR/yr and one does it for 10 years and the other does it for 15, aren't you selling the 15 year guy short by saying the 10 year guy was just as good?

[Sammy Sofa]

Yeah, this is clearly serious business, neely.

[UMFan83]

wasn't cap anson one of the worst racists in baseball history?

 

About an 8.3 on the Cobb Scale.

 

Really? I could be remembering the details wrong but I thought I remember reading that Cap Anson is the biggest reason why there were no black players in the MLB until the 40s.

[Guest]

I voted Baez only because Sosa wasn't an option. Leaving Sammy off that list is total [expletive]. I love Wood and Santo, but they are in no way greater players than Sammy. Hell, Sandberg and Banks are about the only possible ones to vote over Sammy.

Santo's career fWAR = 70.9

Sosa's career fWAR = 60.3

 

In a similar amount of games played, Sosa would be right there with Santo, FWIW.

 

Well that's kind of a huge qualifier isn't it? I mean if two guys average 20 HR/yr and one does it for 10 years and the other does it for 15, aren't you selling the 15 year guy short by saying the 10 year guy was just as good?

 

You're talking about like 2 seasons FFS.

[Sammy Sofa]

wasn't cap anson one of the worst racists in baseball history?

 

About an 8.3 on the Cobb Scale.

 

Really? I could be remembering the details wrong but I thought I remember reading that Cap Anson is the biggest reason why there were no black players in the MLB until the 40s.

 

Well, yeah, that's how he ranks so high on the [expletive] Ty Cobb Scale of Racistness.

[ConstableRabbit]

wasn't cap anson one of the worst racists in baseball history?

Sure, but it was 1871. His RAR* wasn't as high as you'd think. Gotta adjust for era, bruh.

 

 

 

 

 

 

*Racism Above Replacement

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

His contemporary influence and prestige are regarded by historians as playing a major role in establishing the racial segregation in professional baseball that persisted until the late 1940s.[3] A 2006 biography of Anson that exhaustively examined 19th-century newspaper reporting related to him on the subject of racism reached the following conclusion: "As far as the nineteenth century, he rightfully should endure as the big leaguer who, until the late 1940s, was involved in the greatest number of reported negative incidents, on the field, relating to blacks." On several occasions, Anson refused to take the field when the opposing roster included black players.

[Guest]

STOP TALKING ABOUT THIS IN THE JAVY DAY THREAD

[ConstableRabbit]

His contemporary influence and prestige are regarded by historians as playing a major role in establishing the racial segregation in professional baseball that persisted until the late 1940s.[3] A 2006 biography of Anson that exhaustively examined 19th-century newspaper reporting related to him on the subject of racism reached the following conclusion: "As far as the nineteenth century, he rightfully should endure as the big leaguer who, until the late 1940s, was involved in the greatest number of reported negative incidents, on the field, relating to blacks." On several occasions, Anson refused to take the field when the opposing roster included black players.

Interesting. The same book came to this conclusion:

Anson no doubt deserves some of the blame for baseball's color line. Saying he deserves most of the blame is clearly too strong since, for example, the [all-black] Cuban Giants still played big league teams after his alleged July 1887 demand to Newark of the International League. Also, his argumentative nature was so well known that it could have been dismissed as hot air and thus not reflective of the thinking of other people, such as his teammates. As far as blaming him for the lack of blacks in baseball starting in the late nineteenth century, his influence by that time may have been negligible. On that score, a fair reading is that Anson deserves some blame only in the sense that he may have precipitated the decline of blacks from organized baseball a few years earlier than otherwise. That blacks were clearly on the way out of organized baseball seems obvious by the rise in legal segregation in the 1890s that culminated in the Supreme Court's 1896 decision in Plessy v. Ferguson. In an 7-to-1 ruling (Associate Justice David Josiah Brewer was absent at the ruling because of his daughter's sudden death the day before), the court in Plessy upheld the doctrine of "separate but equal," which, as a practical matter, was more like “separate and unequal."

 

Either way, sounds like a real [expletive].

 

In conclusion, JAVI

[Banedon]

Only Cub fans would vote for a guy who has yet to play a ML game as the greatest player ever in their organization over guys who had actual good/great careers and hall of famers.

 

I think you should call Boers and Bernstein today to complain about this. Please give me a 5 minute warning before you call, so I can be sure to be listening.

[Castros trade value]

Only Cub fans would vote for a guy who has yet to play a ML game as the greatest player ever in their organization over guys who had actual good/great careers and hall of famers.

 

Pretty sure that those who voted obviously were just having some fun. Garfien himself said the whole poll was just a joke.

[Guest]

From his Instagram:

 

javy23baez

1 hour ago

Wow, que desirles mi gente? Primero gracias a mi dios por todo lo que me a dado, gracias a mi familia por estar hay en las buenas y en las malas, gracias a mis amistades por sus consejos, y gracias a mis fanaticos, sin ustedes no estaria aqui. Se me cumplio mi sueño. Gracias papito dios!

 

My not entirely literal translation:

Wow, what do I tell you guys? First, thank God for everything he's given me, thank you to my family for being there through good and bad, thank you to my friends for your advice, and thank you to my fans, without you I wouldn't be here. I've accomplished my dream. Thank you God!

[Sammy Sofa]

So fiery.

[Thed Hoyerstein]

Definite makeup issues

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

he already forgot Theo's name

[Castros trade value]

http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Excited_baseball_fan.gif

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I love to racism, bro.

[imb]

I love to racism, bro.

 

greatest line in tv history