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[DiamondMind]

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[Tangled Up in Plaid]

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[Backtobanks]

There are two races. One is for the playoffs. The other is for the top draft pick. The Cubs are clearly in race #2. You would think that getting the future of this team some experience with major league at bats would hold precedence over an extra year of service time and the second or third pick in the draft, but apparently not.

 

I've always felt that you can afford to wait it out to extend the service time when you have someone decent holding down the fort at that position already, and the team is doing well enough that there is no need to hurry the player. But bringing up undeserving guys that are clearly only temporary placeholders isn't fooling anyone, and is probably hurting the fanbase and attendance even more.

 

I'm excited about the future of this team. The current team? Hurry up football season.

 

What's the rush, Hoyer was quoted in today's Tribune that he knows they need to add pitching throughout the system and that's their goal in the next 18-24 months. So everyone just calm down and wait until 2017 (or until the next quote on when we might actually contend).

[sneakypower]

do you feel better now

[Guest]

There are two races. One is for the playoffs. The other is for the top draft pick. The Cubs are clearly in race #2. You would think that getting the future of this team some experience with major league at bats would hold precedence over an extra year of service time and the second or third pick in the draft, but apparently not.

 

I've always felt that you can afford to wait it out to extend the service time when you have someone decent holding down the fort at that position already, and the team is doing well enough that there is no need to hurry the player. But bringing up undeserving guys that are clearly only temporary placeholders isn't fooling anyone, and is probably hurting the fanbase and attendance even more.

 

I'm excited about the future of this team. The current team? Hurry up football season.

 

What's the rush, Hoyer was quoted in today's Tribune that he knows they need to add pitching throughout the system and that's their goal in the next 18-24 months. So everyone just calm down and wait until 2017 (or until the next quote on when we might actually contend).

I understand I'm simply wasting time here, but you do understand that adding pitching the the system over the next 18-24 months has little to nothing to do with when we will contend, right?

[Backtobanks]

There are two races. One is for the playoffs. The other is for the top draft pick. The Cubs are clearly in race #2. You would think that getting the future of this team some experience with major league at bats would hold precedence over an extra year of service time and the second or third pick in the draft, but apparently not.

 

I've always felt that you can afford to wait it out to extend the service time when you have someone decent holding down the fort at that position already, and the team is doing well enough that there is no need to hurry the player. But bringing up undeserving guys that are clearly only temporary placeholders isn't fooling anyone, and is probably hurting the fanbase and attendance even more.

 

I'm excited about the future of this team. The current team? Hurry up football season.

 

What's the rush, Hoyer was quoted in today's Tribune that he knows they need to add pitching throughout the system and that's their goal in the next 18-24 months. So everyone just calm down and wait until 2017 (or until the next quote on when we might actually contend).

I understand I'm simply wasting time here, but you do understand that adding pitching the the system over the next 18-24 months has little to nothing to do with when we will contend, right?

 

Well unless we add some serious pitching to the ML rotation, we certainly won't be contending soon. Since the "Plan" seems to be to wait until our players get enough time in the minors to fully develop and we're not going to spend big money until we're "close". Even if most of our offensive prospects click, we still are woefully lacking in pitching and pitching prospects. The bottom line is that pitching is what wins for the most part as evidenced by all of the biggest names dealt at the deadline (and before).

[jersey cubs fan]

The bottom line is that pitching is what wins for the most part as evidenced by all of the biggest names dealt at the deadline (and before).

 

That is neither the bottom line nor good support for your claim.

[Guest]

The logic in your post is very flawed. I'm heading out shortly or I'd take more time to explain why.

 

Maybe when I come back later.

[Rob]

 

Well unless we add some serious pitching to the ML rotation, we certainly won't be contending soon. Since the "Plan" seems to be to wait until our players get enough time in the minors to fully develop and we're not going to spend big money until we're "close". Even if most of our offensive prospects click, we still are woefully lacking in pitching and pitching prospects. The bottom line is that pitching is what wins for the most part as evidenced by all of the biggest names dealt at the deadline (and before).

 

Let's not resort to the argument from authority. It can go both ways. Some pretty smart teams acquired pitching at the deadline this year. Some pretty smart GMs sold pitching. It's a fallacious argument at best.

[Backtobanks]

 

Well unless we add some serious pitching to the ML rotation, we certainly won't be contending soon. Since the "Plan" seems to be to wait until our players get enough time in the minors to fully develop and we're not going to spend big money until we're "close". Even if most of our offensive prospects click, we still are woefully lacking in pitching and pitching prospects. The bottom line is that pitching is what wins for the most part as evidenced by all of the biggest names dealt at the deadline (and before).

 

Let's not resort to the argument from authority. It can go both ways. Some pretty smart teams acquired pitching at the deadline this year. Some pretty smart GMs sold pitching. It's a fallacious argument at best.

 

The "smart teams" that acquired pitching at the deadline were the teams that are the teams now now favored to go deep into the playoffs or to win the WS. The "smart GMs" that sold pitching realized that they had no chance of winning, so it was best to cash in the most valuable asset they had (pitching).

[Guest]

JESUS [expletive] CHRIST

[Rob]

 

Well unless we add some serious pitching to the ML rotation, we certainly won't be contending soon. Since the "Plan" seems to be to wait until our players get enough time in the minors to fully develop and we're not going to spend big money until we're "close". Even if most of our offensive prospects click, we still are woefully lacking in pitching and pitching prospects. The bottom line is that pitching is what wins for the most part as evidenced by all of the biggest names dealt at the deadline (and before).

 

Let's not resort to the argument from authority. It can go both ways. Some pretty smart teams acquired pitching at the deadline this year. Some pretty smart GMs sold pitching. It's a fallacious argument at best.

 

The "smart teams" that acquired pitching at the deadline were the teams that are the teams now now favored to go deep into the playoffs or to win the WS. The "smart GMs" that sold pitching realized that they had no chance of winning, so it was best to cash in the most valuable asset they had (pitching).

 

Are you airquoting Friedman and Cherington as "smart GMs"?

 

Quick, what's your take on Ruben Amaro Jr?

[Aaron_Kennelly]

Umm... wouldn't this argument be advocating to replicate Dombrowski and Beane, who built great offenses, knowing they could easily add pitching later? Or no?

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

Umm... wouldn't this argument be advocating to replicate Dombrowski and Beane, who built great offenses, knowing they could easily add pitching later? Or no?

[expletive] genius, welcome.

[Guest]

Umm... wouldn't this argument be advocating to replicate Dombrowski and Beane, who built great offenses, knowing they could easily add pitching later? Or no?

 

Welcome.

 

And, yeah, in neither case did they really have to give up all that much to add that ace, especially in Price's case with an extra year of control.

 

On the other hand, "the boy genius" did manage to get quite a haul for his pitchers, one of which he basically picked up off the scrap heap.

 

Oh and then there's that guy pitching like a top 10 pitcher in baseball that they basically got off the scrap heap for another guy they got off the scrap heap.

[Aaron_Kennelly]

Seems to point to simple supply and demand, too -- which, I guess, means it's a good thing that we have a cache of things that nobody in the league is willing to trade? Maybe I am wrong...

[Aaron_Kennelly]

And thanks for the welcome. The lurking discussion a few days back brought me out; I've been lurking since around the time the Theo tenure started. I have loved the discourse on this board, but usually just lurk in the shadows everywhere on the internet.

[Little Slide Rooter]

There are two races.

 

Perhaps if you go back far enough. I feel this to be far more interesting than who gets the spare roster spot on a 95+ loss team.

[Rob]

And thanks for the welcome. The lurking discussion a few days back brought me out; I've been lurking since around the time the Theo tenure started. I have loved the discourse on this board, but usually just lurk in the shadows everywhere on the internet.

 

Glad to have ya around.

[TruffleShuffle]

more duke silver, less back2banks please.

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

If anyone awesome out there is still lurking, you can be Bert Macklin. You thought he was just lurking? So did the President's enemies.

[Aaron_Kennelly]

If anyone awesome out there is still lurking, you can be Bert Macklin. You thought he was just lurking? So did the President's enemies.

 

Come on out Macklin, you sonofabitch.

[Illini Iceman]

There are two races.

 

Perhaps if you go back far enough. I feel this to be far more interesting than who gets the spare roster spot on a 95+ loss team.

 

I am personally more interested in the third race, Rizzo vs Stanton for NL HR's. C'mon Rizzo, get it going!

[burnt out cubbie fan]

All of this over a move nobody will remember in 6 months?

 

Edit: Who am I kidding, 1 month