2014 Bulls Offseason Thread

[Guest]

i'm doing my best not to go full-ssr on this thread, so let me just ask:

 

what do you think is the likelihood that rose is healthy and good this year?

 

just good? it's what i expect.

 

great? 25-30%?

[Banedon]

i'm doing my best not to go full-ssr on this thread, so let me just ask:

 

what do you think is the likelihood that rose is healthy and good this year?

 

I think he'll be at least as good offensively as DJ Augustin.

[Wilson A2000]

i suppose "hold their own" is pretty subjective in meaning

 

I'd be surprised if there was a team in Europe that could win 10 games in an nba schedule. But that could satisfy holding ones own depending.

 

He appears to be a soft big man that can shoot. Bargnani?

 

Dirk. Or as the Bulls originally thought, Aldridge.

 

One can hope.

[davell]

I think you guys are severely underestimating Bosh. He's been a lead before and there's no reason I can think of as to why he can't be again. Deng is a fairly solid 2nd guy and they've got role players to work into the mix.

 

Bosh is a better lead than anyone on the Bulls other than Rose. I'm sorry, but these two rosters, with or without Rose/Wade just aren't that different in talent.

 

In the end, we'll find out soon enough, but I think you guys are vastly overestimating things.

[Guest]

I think you guys are severely underestimating Bosh. He's been a lead before and there's no reason I can think of as to why he can't be again. Deng is a fairly solid 2nd guy and they've got role players to work into the mix.

 

This isn't the greatest way to argue this as it ignores the rest of the rosters (still, far more fair in basketball than in other sports), but you brought up him being a lead before....Bosh managed what, 1, season above .500 in Toronto? also a couple of REALLY terrible ones, IIRC.

 

 

That was when he was 4-5+ years younger, too.

 

Most likely Wade plays like 50-60ish productive games and this heat team wins 45-50 games.

[davell]

I don't have an issue with saying if Wade plays that amount games, they're likely a 45/50 win team. But if that's what Rose plays, why do you expect them to not only win MORE, but evidently think they'll win enough more to be considered on a different level than Miami.

 

Because if Miami is good enough to win 50, I have an extremely hard to "lol" at them being mentioned in the same breath as this Bulls team.

[Guest]

I don't have an issue with saying if Wade plays that amount games, they're likely a 45/50 win team. But if that's what Rose plays, why do you expect them to not only win MORE, but evidently think they'll win enough more to be considered on a different level than Miami.

 

Because if Miami is good enough to win 50, I have an extremely hard to "lol" at them being mentioned in the same breath as this Bulls team.

 

after i posted that, i actually felt like given that many (few) games for wade, i probably should've said 40-45. that is just an awful roster when they don't have wade on the floor.

 

i think that's just the reality for wade given his age and miles. either you go into it trying to preserve him with the intent of playing him fewer games and fewer minutes, or you try to push him for more and are more likely to get burned.

[cubbyvirus00]

My problem with GarPax is they reasonably had a shot to trade Taj/Deng etc in years past to acquire the All-Star talent to build around and just haven't done it. James Harden immediately comes to mind and potentially Howard/prime Gasol/Kobe. James Harden isn't my favorite player nor is he a complete player but his scoring touch would sure look nice on this roster.

[Ryne Ween]

James Harden isn't my favorite player nor is he a complete player but his scoring touch would sure look nice on this roster.

 

Are you kidding we would have an absolute dynasty if you put Harden on this Bulls team.

 

Per the Heat without Wade. First off they aren't without Wade. He played 36mpg in the 20 playoff games the Heat had and he played well by nearly any players standards just not his own. He still played in 55 regular season games and 90 games total the year before. He's not Danny Granger.

 

Without Wade that team is probably a 6 or 7 seed. Is say that team without Wade is pretty close to Toronto. The bulls without Rose are potentially as good as the Heat with Wade. The bulls have been very competive without rose.

[scarey]

When did the Bulls push a Harden deal off the table?

[Ryne Ween]

When did the Bulls push a Harden deal off the table?

 

They never did. I think the guy was saying the bulls could have put together a better offer than Houston which is probably not true. We would have needed to trade Noah to get Harden. We didn't have any trade pieces back then.

[Guest]

I think you guys are severely underestimating Bosh. He's been a lead before and there's no reason I can think of as to why he can't be again. Deng is a fairly solid 2nd guy and they've got role players to work into the mix.

 

Bosh is a better lead than anyone on the Bulls other than Rose. I'm sorry, but these two rosters, with or without Rose/Wade just aren't that different in talent.

 

In the end, we'll find out soon enough, but I think you guys are vastly overestimating things.

 

it's been 4 years since bosh was a #1 guy. he hasn't played physical in a long time. i'd be surprised if he just turned back into a 20/10 guy. and it's debatable if he was a number 1 guy even back then.

 

the bulls have ridiculous front court depth, interesting wings, and tom thibodeau. the heat have a top 3 that are all question marks, and then nothing.

[Guest]

I think you guys are severely underestimating Bosh. He's been a lead before and there's no reason I can think of as to why he can't be again. Deng is a fairly solid 2nd guy and they've got role players to work into the mix.

 

Bosh is a better lead than anyone on the Bulls other than Rose. I'm sorry, but these two rosters, with or without Rose/Wade just aren't that different in talent.

 

In the end, we'll find out soon enough, but I think you guys are vastly overestimating things.

 

it's been 4 years since bosh was a #1 guy. he hasn't played physical in a long time. i'd be surprised if he just turned back into a 20/10 guy. and it's debatable if he was a number 1 guy even back then.

 

the bulls have ridiculous front court depth, interesting wings, and tom thibodeau. the heat have a top 3 that are all question marks, and then nothing.

 

it's a stretch including 2014 luol deng in that, IMO.

[Banedon]

I think you guys are severely underestimating Bosh. He's been a lead before and there's no reason I can think of as to why he can't be again. Deng is a fairly solid 2nd guy and they've got role players to work into the mix.

 

Bosh is a better lead than anyone on the Bulls other than Rose. I'm sorry, but these two rosters, with or without Rose/Wade just aren't that different in talent.

 

In the end, we'll find out soon enough, but I think you guys are vastly overestimating things.

 

it's been 4 years since bosh was a #1 guy. he hasn't played physical in a long time. i'd be surprised if he just turned back into a 20/10 guy. and it's debatable if he was a number 1 guy even back then.

 

the bulls have ridiculous front court depth, interesting wings, and tom thibodeau. the heat have a top 3 that are all question marks, and then nothing.

 

Right...Bosh's play style with Lebron was not the same as when he was in Toronto and leading that team. I'm not sure he can play that way again.

[cubbyvirus00]

When did the Bulls push a Harden deal off the table?

 

When the Harden saga was ongoing, I never once heard a Bulls rumor or report that they reached out to him. I could be wrong. I also understand Noah is GarPax's guy, but I would have exchange him with Howard at the time without hesitation.

[Brian]

So I think they guy the Bulls picked up the draft rights to today probably definitely kills people for money on the side

[WrigleyField 22]

The final tally on the McDermott trade is 16, 19, and three second rounders after sending out two more seconds in the Magic trade. And by Magic trade I of course mean the trade of the next Magic Johnson to Orlando.

 

 

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[UMFan83]

So I think they guy the Bulls picked up the draft rights to today probably definitely kills people for money on the side

 

And he moonlights as keeper for the US men's soccer team on the side

[Ryne Ween]

Isn't that guy already on the Atlanta Hawks?.

[Guest]

anyone from former Yugoslavia and looks like that was obviously part of some death squad and probably did some nasty things when King's Landing Fell.

[scarey]

When did the Bulls push a Harden deal off the table?

 

When the Harden saga was ongoing, I never once heard a Bulls rumor or report that they reached out to him. I could be wrong. I also understand Noah is GarPax's guy, but I would have exchange him with Howard at the time without hesitation.

 

 

Are you just making up trades that you think other teams would accept?

[Guest]

Gasol, whose Bulls deal averages $7.3 million over three years, turned down offers of $11.5 million annually from the Lakers and $11 million from the Hawks. Hinrich, whose two-year deal averages $2.8 million, could have made upwards of $4 million annually from the Jazz and Bobcats.

 

To be fair, there were mitigating factors. Gasol, whose Bulls deal also carries a full trade kicker of 15 percent, did choose the most money of the non-Lakers contending teams that pursued him. He also exited the rugged Western Conference, whose Thunder and Spurs both offered him $5.3 million annually.

 

The key, of course, remains Rose. His participation in USA Basketball's minicamp at the end of July will be his most significant test since November surgery to reattach his right meniscus. Surviving the cut from 19 players to the 12-man roster that will compete in the FIBA World Cup of Basketball in Spain in September would be beneficial for Rose and the Bulls.

 

"He's doing great," coach Tom Thibodeau. "This is the next step."

 

Management's next offseason steps will be to use the amnesty provision on Carlos Boozer by Wednesday's deadline. They dealt Anthony Randolph's expiring salary and two second-round picks to the Magic on Monday to pave the way for the free-agent signings of Gasol and Mirotic. The Magic will get the better of the Bulls' second-round picks in 2015 and 2016.

 

The Bulls received the draft rights to Serbian big man Milovan Rakovic, 29, in the Randolph deal, but they have no plans to use him. The same goes for fellow Serbian Tadija Dragicevic, 28, whom the Bulls acquired Monday from the Mavericks to make the Greg Smith trade official.

 

The Bulls will have to use veteran minimum exceptions or swing another deal to upgrade at shooting guard.

 

But shooting in general, so crucial for a team with a healthy Rose, has been improved, at least on paper. Though it's only summer league, Tony Snell appears more confident and poised. McDermott could see rotational minutes as a spot-up shooter. Mike Dunleavy remains on a bargain contract and Mirotic adds an element the Bulls haven't had.

 

"He's had a terrific career overseas," Thibodeau told NBA-TV. "We think he'll fit well. It gives us something that we don't have, the stretch four that can shoot. We think he'll compliment Derrick and our big guys well, which will open up the floor a bit."

 

Gasol and Mirotic are both in Spain and are expected to come to Chicago late this week or early next for their introductory news conferences. The two have never met. But a veteran with extensive international experience in Spain can only help Mirotic, a native of Montenegro of Serbian descent.

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-bulls-contenders-with-derrick-rose-spt-0715-20140715,0,2395225.story

 

 

Gasol said Tuesday that, after speaking with Bulls players Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah, "instinct told me to pick Chicago."

 

The 7-foot Spanish forward said Chicago was a logical choice since "without doubt, it is one of the championship favorites in the East alongside Cleveland."

 

The 34-year-old Gasol, who departs the Los Angeles Lakers after six-plus seasons, said while the Spurs and Thunder were options, "nothing is guaranteed wherever you sign. I'm happy with my choice."

 

Gasol also expects newly acquired forward Nikola Mirotic, who was signed from Spanish club Real Madrid, to "make an immediate impact" with the Bulls.

 

http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/id/11217428/pau-gasol-says-instinct-told-sign-chicago-bulls

[Guest]

The writer does realize that Montenegro isn't in Spain, right?

[Guest]

The writer does realize that Montenegro isn't in Spain, right?

 

Mirotic has been in Spain since at least 2006 and is a naturalized Spanish citizen. I believe it's a clarification since people aren't sure where he's from.

[Guest]

The writer does realize that Montenegro isn't in Spain, right?

 

Mirotic has been in Spain since at least 2006 and is a naturalized Spanish citizen. I believe it's a clarification since people aren't sure where he's from.

Right, but he's not from Spain and Montenegro is in the former Yugoslavia. Geography lesson alert.