Week 10 - Bears (5-3) vs Detroit (5-3) - 12:00 PM, FOX

[davell]

Cutler week to week with his high ankle sprain. With 5 wins already and a solid backup QB, we're heading right back to 7-9 or 8-8.

[rawaction]

Tillman might have played his last down as a Bear. Hard to justify bringing him back at a contract he would find ideal when he will have missed half the season and gOing on 33. Similar situation to Urlacher last year.

 

He is on IR designated to return. So he could play if the Bears are in the divisional round of the playoffs.

[Wilson A2000]

It proves he's an above avg. backup QB in a system that is perfect for him.

 

Again I don't disagree. But can you save $15 million a year and draft a QB who works great in this system and barely miss a step?

Edited November 11, 2013 by Wilson A2000

[Banedon]

Tillman might have played his last down as a Bear. Hard to justify bringing him back at a contract he would find ideal when he will have missed half the season and gOing on 33. Similar situation to Urlacher last year.

 

He is on IR designated to return. So he could play if the Bears are in the divisional round of the playoffs.

 

Ehhh...I don't know about the Urlacher comparison. Tillman is still able to play at a high level. It's just health that's the concern. "just"

[rawaction]

It proves he's an above avg. backup QB in a system that is perfect for him.

 

Again I don't disagree. But can you save $15 million a year and draft a QB who works great in this system and barely miss a step?

 

If you are extremely lucky. Again, you're not getting the pick of the litter at 18-22nd draft pick. So that becomes a longshot. And even if you do miraculously barely miss a step at QB, you still have to basically remake the defense almost from scratch, and have 2 FAs on the OL.

[rawaction]

Tillman might have played his last down as a Bear. Hard to justify bringing him back at a contract he would find ideal when he will have missed half the season and gOing on 33. Similar situation to Urlacher last year.

 

He is on IR designated to return. So he could play if the Bears are in the divisional round of the playoffs.

 

Ehhh...I don't know about the Urlacher comparison. Tillman is still able to play at a high level. It's just health that's the concern. "just"

Urlacher couldn't play at a high level because of health. Tillman is out with an arm injury, but has had leg issues all year.

[Banedon]

It proves he's an above avg. backup QB in a system that is perfect for him.

 

Again I don't disagree. But can you save $15 million a year and draft a QB who works great in this system and barely miss a step?

 

If you are extremely lucky. Again, you're not getting the pick of the litter at 18-22nd draft pick. So that becomes a longshot. And even if you do miraculously barely miss a step at QB, you still have to basically remake the defense almost from scratch, and have 2 FAs on the OL.

 

We can just trade two first rounders and McCown for a hotshot QB that's having a falling out with the team that drafted him. Then, we can trade more draft picks for the #1 receiver that came up at the same time as him and helped him experience early success. Easy peasy. Dunno why this is so hard.

[Splendid Splinter]

It proves he's an above avg. backup QB in a system that is perfect for him.

 

Again I don't disagree. But can you save $15 million a year and draft a QB who works great in this system and barely miss a step?

 

If you are extremely lucky. Again, you're not getting the pick of the litter at 18-22nd draft pick. So that becomes a longshot. And even if you do miraculously barely miss a step at QB, you still have to basically remake the defense almost from scratch, and have 2 FAs on the OL.

 

We can just trade two first rounders and McCown for a hotshot QB that's having a falling out with the team that drafted him. Then, we can trade more draft picks for the #1 receiver that came up at the same time as him and helped him experience early success. Easy peasy. Dunno why this is so hard.

 

I already posted this in the week 11 thread, but I'll put it here as well since you guys are talking about Cutler vs new QB...

 

"About the only positive thing is Cutler really can't be asking for the moon in the offseason. That being said, I would rather just offer him a non-exclusive franchise tag now (1 yr 12.5 mil I believe... it's the lesser between 120% of this years salary or top 5 avg at that position) and see what the market value will be for him. If a team wants to overpay for him, don't match it and gain 2- 1st round picks."

 

I wonder how many teams would be willing to offer Cutler a contract KNOWING that they could lose 2- 1st rounders if Bears don't match it. It's a win-win situation IMO.

[mul21]

I already posted this in the week 11 thread, but I'll put it here as well since you guys are talking about Cutler vs new QB...

 

"About the only positive thing is Cutler really can't be asking for the moon in the offseason. That being said, I would rather just offer him a non-exclusive franchise tag now (1 yr 12.5 mil I believe... it's the lesser between 120% of this years salary or top 5 avg at that position) and see what the market value will be for him. If a team wants to overpay for him, don't match it and gain 2- 1st round picks."

 

I wonder how many teams would be willing to offer Cutler a contract KNOWING that they could lose 2- 1st rounders if Bears don't match it. It's a win-win situation IMO.

 

I don't think you can do this unless you're completely prepared to walk away from Cutler entirely, regardless of another team making an offer or not. This move would do nothing but piss off the Cutler camp and make further negotiations on a contract nearly impossible because of the ~$8MM slap in the face of not making the full franchise offer.

[Soul]

I already posted this in the week 11 thread, but I'll put it here as well since you guys are talking about Cutler vs new QB...

 

"About the only positive thing is Cutler really can't be asking for the moon in the offseason. That being said, I would rather just offer him a non-exclusive franchise tag now (1 yr 12.5 mil I believe... it's the lesser between 120% of this years salary or top 5 avg at that position) and see what the market value will be for him. If a team wants to overpay for him, don't match it and gain 2- 1st round picks."

 

I wonder how many teams would be willing to offer Cutler a contract KNOWING that they could lose 2- 1st rounders if Bears don't match it. It's a win-win situation IMO.

 

I don't think you can do this unless you're completely prepared to walk away from Cutler entirely, regardless of another team making an offer or not. This move would do nothing but piss off the Cutler camp and make further negotiations on a contract nearly impossible because of the ~$8MM slap in the face of not making the full franchise offer.

 

Even if he really doesn't play much for the last half of the season? It seems reasonable if the guy can't stay healthy for the Bears to look for a way to lower that hefty price tag somehow, or seek a method of compensation if he wants to go elsewhere and make more money.

[mul21]

I already posted this in the week 11 thread, but I'll put it here as well since you guys are talking about Cutler vs new QB...

 

"About the only positive thing is Cutler really can't be asking for the moon in the offseason. That being said, I would rather just offer him a non-exclusive franchise tag now (1 yr 12.5 mil I believe... it's the lesser between 120% of this years salary or top 5 avg at that position) and see what the market value will be for him. If a team wants to overpay for him, don't match it and gain 2- 1st round picks."

 

I wonder how many teams would be willing to offer Cutler a contract KNOWING that they could lose 2- 1st rounders if Bears don't match it. It's a win-win situation IMO.

 

I don't think you can do this unless you're completely prepared to walk away from Cutler entirely, regardless of another team making an offer or not. This move would do nothing but piss off the Cutler camp and make further negotiations on a contract nearly impossible because of the ~$8MM slap in the face of not making the full franchise offer.

 

Even if he really doesn't play much for the last half of the season? It seems reasonable if the guy can't stay healthy for the Bears to look for a way to lower that hefty price tag somehow, or seek a method of compensation if he wants to go elsewhere and make more money.

 

No, I think you could pull it off in that scenario. I was basing that on him coming back reasonably healthy and playing fairly well.

[rawaction]

Yeah, I actually think that's a very likely scenario. Pissing off Cutler isn't a big deal. The Bears are still going to pay him if he leads them to a Superbowl or is excellent during a deep playoff run in 2014 in that scenario.

 

Nobody's giving up 2 #1s for him either. Could work out a deal though, ala NE with Cassel.

[Splendid Splinter]

I already posted this in the week 11 thread, but I'll put it here as well since you guys are talking about Cutler vs new QB...

 

"About the only positive thing is Cutler really can't be asking for the moon in the offseason. That being said, I would rather just offer him a non-exclusive franchise tag now (1 yr 12.5 mil I believe... it's the lesser between 120% of this years salary or top 5 avg at that position) and see what the market value will be for him. If a team wants to overpay for him, don't match it and gain 2- 1st round picks."

 

I wonder how many teams would be willing to offer Cutler a contract KNOWING that they could lose 2- 1st rounders if Bears don't match it. It's a win-win situation IMO.

 

I don't think you can do this unless you're completely prepared to walk away from Cutler entirely, regardless of another team making an offer or not. This move would do nothing but piss off the Cutler camp and make further negotiations on a contract nearly impossible because of the ~$8MM slap in the face of not making the full franchise offer.

 

Even if he really doesn't play much for the last half of the season? It seems reasonable if the guy can't stay healthy for the Bears to look for a way to lower that hefty price tag somehow, or seek a method of compensation if he wants to go elsewhere and make more money.

 

No, I think you could pull it off in that scenario. I was basing that on him coming back reasonably healthy and playing fairly well.

 

 

I was more thinking like Soul and raw here. Also... 2013 franchise tag for a QB was 14.8 mil. I'm not sure how much it'll be raised for 2014, but it's not gonna be a ~8 mil difference. It's more like ~4 mil since a non exclusive tag for Cutler would be around 12.5 mil I believe?

[mul21]

 

 

I was more thinking like Soul and raw here. Also... 2013 franchise tag for a QB was 14.8 mil. I'm not sure how much it'll be raised for 2014, but it's not gonna be a ~8 mil difference. It's more like ~4 mil since a non exclusive tag for Cutler would be around 12.5 mil I believe?

 

Do they base the top 5 calculation on salary cap hit or AAV?

 

Either way, it looks to be significantly higher than $16.5 mil. Looks like about $19.5 by AAV and just a little under $19 mil by salary cap hit.

[Wilson A2000]

The 2 point conversion run call to end the game was an audible by McCown

[Splendid Splinter]

 

 

I was more thinking like Soul and raw here. Also... 2013 franchise tag for a QB was 14.8 mil. I'm not sure how much it'll be raised for 2014, but it's not gonna be a ~8 mil difference. It's more like ~4 mil since a non exclusive tag for Cutler would be around 12.5 mil I believe?

 

Do they base the top 5 calculation on salary cap hit or AAV?

 

Either way, it looks to be significantly higher than $16.5 mil. Looks like about $19.5 by AAV and just a little under $19 mil by salary cap hit.

 

Ahh... Found it. That 14.6-14.8 is for non-exclusive tag. Apparently that was the top 5 avg in QB cap hit in 2012 (which is what it is based of while exclusive tag would be on top 5 in 2013). So if Bears use an exclusive tag on Cutler then it'll be ~19.28 mil (top 5 avg in 2014) while the non-exclusive tag will be ~17.47 mil (top 5 avg for 2013) or 120% of last years cap hit which will be around 12.4 mil (10.37 mil cap hit this year) whichever is less so you're right. That's basically a ~7 mil difference. I didn't think it was that big.

 

Still... I think Bears would rather try to save that 7 mil (to sign another impact player at that price) and why I would rather give him an non-exclusive tag. He's not worth 19.28 mil IMO even if he does SOMEHOW gets us to the SB this year. That's a HUGE chunk of the salary space Bears have for this offseason. Bears are going to need that $$$ for the defensive side.

[Banedon]

The 2 point conversion run call to end the game was an audible by McCown

 

He's flawed!