Shea McClellin

[cubbyvirus00]

FWIW, I hated the Alshon Jeffery pick. I thought best case scenario was he was too much like Marshall. I wanted a faster WR like Reuben Randle or Stephen Hill. If I was the GM last year, the Bears would have Mercilus and Randle. I wasn't a Chandler Jones fan (wrong), but we'd have an upgrade at DE and a downgrade at WR based on those picks.

 

Yeah Chandler Jones was a late riser and much was made of his family and the fact he's got two brothers in professional sports. Despite that he at least had the size/speed to be a 3 down DE. Some think Shea is even lighter then the 255 he's listed at. I wonder if Emery thought of him purely as a situational rusher or if he actually believed he could be a full time starter.

 

I too wanted Hill over Alshon, but I loved Alshon's hands.

[manbearcub]

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[Soul]

How has Sharrif Floyd been? Better at his position than Long is at his? I honestly don't know.

 

Floyd hasn't really been a starter. He's only tallied 3 tackles so far. I think the jury's still out on him -- probably won't know about him until next year.

 

Clearly Long has had the better rookie season, but it's not apples to apples.

 

I think Emery crashed hard on the McClellin pick, and hit hard on the Long pick. He's 1 for 2.

 

I just want to more consistently draft the top recognized talent in the first round. There's rarely a reason to try to outsmart the rest of league when most of the collegiate class is still available. Doesn't seem worth the risk to stab at a guy like McClellin.

[WrigleyField 22]

Obviously it goes on his record, but I'm not worried its like some sign of things to come as it was his first draft and the Bears have made a much larger commitment to scouting and have brought in new faces since then. You can look at two of his picks and their failure was more about injury and character as they were about talent evaluation. That's just learning to better manage risk.

 

I'm not saying a GMs first draft is less important in his overall evaluation record, but it's definitely less important when projecting what to expect in the future (for good or bad).

 

As far as McClellin, I'm not sure if it was a case of him caring too little about position fit, if he carried over his evaluations of him as a scout of a 3-4 team, or just an entire whiff on their evaluation of him as a 4-3 player. I think he would definitely benefit from a move to a 3-4, but even then can expect him to be JJ Watt or Clay Matthews, but you might still be able to squeeze some value out of him as a situational player in a 4-3 or some other team in a 3-4 will realize his value as a OLB. But even with a move to OLB he could benefit from some added strength so they should just introduce him to the guys at Balco either way.

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't get the "it was his first draft" point that is trying to be made. This was not his first rodeo. He knew what drafts were all about and had been involved in many, and he knew the class. It doesn't matter if it was his 1st or his 5th. Angelo made some of his worst picks later in his tenure.

[WrigleyField 22]

I don't get the "it was his first draft" point that is trying to be made. This was not his first rodeo. He knew what drafts were all about and had been involved in many, and he knew the class. It doesn't matter if it was his 1st or his 5th. Angelo made some of his worst picks later in his tenure.

Because a draft isn't run by one man a few weeks leading up to the draft. It's a collaborative effort in which the GM is like director and starts as early as August of the year prior. I know all of our draft prep starts around the time of the combine but not an NFL scouting department.

 

I just don't think you can discount the relatively short time frame Emery or must GMs have from the time of being hired to the draft with all the other aspects of running a team. Plus add in the fact if a GM uses a different scouting/grading/language system. Which Emery did/does and implemented after the first draft.

 

So properly managing a draft is as much about your management of your team of employees as it is about scouting ability (not to discount scouting because it's still really important, especially being the guy at top with the final word).

 

And anyone who claims to run the show alone is a lying blowhard, sucks at drafting, Bill Bellicheck, or some combination of the three.

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't get the "it was his first draft" point that is trying to be made. This was not his first rodeo. He knew what drafts were all about and had been involved in many, and he knew the class. It doesn't matter if it was his 1st or his 5th. Angelo made some of his worst picks later in his tenure.

Because a draft isn't run by one man a few weeks leading up to the draft. It's a collaborative effort in which the GM is like director and starts as early as August of the year prior. I know all of our draft prep starts around the time of the combine but not an NFL scouting department.

 

I just don't think you can discount the relatively short time frame Emery or must GMs have from the time of being hired to the draft with all the other aspects of running a team. Plus add in the fact if a GM uses a different scouting/grading/language system. Which Emery did/does and implemented after the first draft.

 

So properly managing a draft is as much about your management of your team of employees as it is about scouting ability (not to discount scouting because it's still really important, especially being the guy at top with the final word).

 

And anyone who claims to run the show alone is a lying blowhard, sucks at drafting, Bill Bellicheck, or some combination of the three.

 

None of that excuses a horrible pick. This isn't rocket scientist. That same mistake can be made in year 4 as easily as year 1.

[WrigleyField 22]

I don't get the "it was his first draft" point that is trying to be made. This was not his first rodeo. He knew what drafts were all about and had been involved in many, and he knew the class. It doesn't matter if it was his 1st or his 5th. Angelo made some of his worst picks later in his tenure.

Because a draft isn't run by one man a few weeks leading up to the draft. It's a collaborative effort in which the GM is like director and starts as early as August of the year prior. I know all of our draft prep starts around the time of the combine but not an NFL scouting department.

 

I just don't think you can discount the relatively short time frame Emery or must GMs have from the time of being hired to the draft with all the other aspects of running a team. Plus add in the fact if a GM uses a different scouting/grading/language system. Which Emery did/does and implemented after the first draft.

 

So properly managing a draft is as much about your management of your team of employees as it is about scouting ability (not to discount scouting because it's still really important, especially being the guy at top with the final word).

 

And anyone who claims to run the show alone is a lying blowhard, sucks at drafting, Bill Bellicheck, or some combination of the three.

 

None of that excuses a horrible pick. This isn't rocket scientist. That same mistake can be made in year 4 as easily as year 1.

I'm not interested in excusing the pick if you read my first post. No added weight or to later picks or anything. A failure in year one is the same as a failure in year four if I'm evaluating the job he has done 4 years from now. Just interested in projecting what to expect going forward.

 

Early returns from year two are much better. Time may still show that to just be variance and luck, but I feel pretty good about everything I've ever read about Emery and how he evaluates talent and his background as scouting director.

 

I think some people have a romanticized view of sports GMs as brilliant guys or duds who make or break teams, but the truth is the brilliant ones do a better job surrounding themselves with other talented people and evaluating their opinions alongside their own. To that point, I have to emphasize the shift in added scouts, promotions, and dismissals that occurred after his first draft, particularly the additions. There are resources going to scouting that either Angelo chose not to use, allocated the resources elsewhere (though I couldn't tell you where that could be) or wasn't able to convince the people with the money that it was important. Either way, Emery gets credit for bringing up our scouting department to the level that it was needed, which by many accounts was lacking behind many of the top NFL franchises. So that makes me feel much better about things going forward verse year one.

[Guest]

Isn't this entire thread just preaching to the choir? Is there anyone who thinks Shea McClellin was a good pick at this point?

[Soul]

Isn't this entire thread just preaching to the choir? Is there anyone who thinks Shea McClellin was a good pick at this point?

Yep, it's a bitch thread. Should probably go in rants.

[gscool89]

Shea McClellin wouldn't be a 5th rounder if they redid the draft tomorrow. I'm serious. I watched the game again today and he is one of the worst defensive linemen I have ever seen. He literally gets pushed back 5 yards on every play.

[Banedon]

Isn't this entire thread just preaching to the choir? Is there anyone who thinks Shea McClellin was a good pick at this point?

Yep, it's a bitch thread. Should probably go in rants.

 

It probably should've just been a discussion in the Bears threads. In fact, I'm locking it and we can move the conversation there if someone's still dying to whine about Shea.