Garza from the Rays Trade Revisited

[Bobson Dugnutt]

I am starting to think giving up Archer was a big mistake.

 

It's not exactly considered giving up when you use him as one of the center pieces for a front end pitcher.

 

Now if anyone lost in this deal, it was the Cardinals who traded Chris Perez for a few unseless months of DeRosa not too long after.

 

As he used it, "giving up" pretty clearly means "trading away."

 

This, and also the Cubs including Chris Archer in a trade for Matt Garza in 2011 has jack [expletive] to do with the Cardinals acquiring Mark DeRosa in 2009.

[imb]

if you allow me to take off my analrapist hat and put on my scs translator pantsuit, i think he's saying that if you trade a prospect for a guy who ends up being a front end guy, it's not worth lamenting. There's 7 starts for Archer this year, the odds are still good that we got more value out of garza than the rays do out of archer.

[dcvalpo]

I'm still stuck on "unseless."

[Little Slide Rooter]

I am starting to think giving up Archer was a big mistake.

 

It's not exactly considered giving up when you use him as one of the center pieces for a front end pitcher.

 

Now if anyone lost in this deal, it was the Cardinals who traded Chris Perez for a few unseless months of DeRosa not too long after.

 

As he used it, "giving up" pretty clearly means "trading away."

 

This, and also the Cubs including Chris Archer in a trade for Matt Garza in 2011 has jack [expletive] to do with the Cardinals acquiring Mark DeRosa in 2009.

 

No, it has nothing to do with trading Garza, but it is relevant to giving up Archer. Archer was already well thought of even back when he was sent for DeRosa, but Cleveland still ended up with a valuable long term asset out of it. St. Louis did not.

[Bobson Dugnutt]

I am starting to think giving up Archer was a big mistake.

 

It's not exactly considered giving up when you use him as one of the center pieces for a front end pitcher.

 

Now if anyone lost in this deal, it was the Cardinals who traded Chris Perez for a few unseless months of DeRosa not too long after.

 

As he used it, "giving up" pretty clearly means "trading away."

 

This, and also the Cubs including Chris Archer in a trade for Matt Garza in 2011 has jack [expletive] to do with the Cardinals acquiring Mark DeRosa in 2009.

 

No, it has nothing to do with trading Garza, but it is relevant to giving up Archer. Archer was already well thought of even back when he was sent for DeRosa, but Cleveland still ended up with a valuable long term asset out of it. St. Louis did not.

 

This is a terrible way to evaluate trades. Archer was a Cubs prospect. If the Cubs front office wished, he could have remained a Cubs prospect. Whether or not someone thinks it was a bad idea to give him up in a trade has nothing to do with what the Cardinals gave up for Mark DeRosa.