Re: Chicago Blackhawks 2013 Playoffs

[jersey cubs fan]

is there any way that we can structure a contract with bickell that's designed to really pay out once we amnesty hossa?

 

The Cap hit will always be the average of the total contract. So a 5 yr 25 mil contract will have a 5 mill cap hit no matter how you structure the contract.

 

But to him it would be more valuable to get $15m of that upfront.

 

I've read some speculation that Bickell would be better off taking a shorter contract to stay with the Hawks in hopes of getting more money when the cap goes back up. The feeling is that this will be a bad year to be a FA since very few teams can afford the cap hit needed to offer stupid contracts to big name FAs.

 

I can see him taking a short-term contract for that very reason, but other teams will have a lot more space to afford a bigger short-term contract. He's not going to get the "pillow contract" from the blackhawks.

[biittner77]

I can see him taking a short-term contract for that very reason, but other teams will have a lot more space to afford a bigger short-term contract. He's not going to get the "pillow contract" from the blackhawks.

 

I'd like to to be wrong about this. I'll cling to the hope that he likes winning in the playoffs and sees Chicago as a better place to do that then say Calgary. But money has a way of trumping that.

[Banedon]

I can see him taking a short-term contract for that very reason, but other teams will have a lot more space to afford a bigger short-term contract. He's not going to get the "pillow contract" from the blackhawks.

 

I'd like to to be wrong about this. I'll cling to the hope that he likes winning in the playoffs and sees Chicago as a better place to do that then say Calgary. But money has a way of trumping that.

 

Yeah, I'm hoping we can keep him, but realistically, I just can't see how that happens.

[Banedon]

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[biittner77]

I can see him taking a short-term contract for that very reason, but other teams will have a lot more space to afford a bigger short-term contract. He's not going to get the "pillow contract" from the blackhawks.

 

I'd like to to be wrong about this. I'll cling to the hope that he likes winning in the playoffs and sees Chicago as a better place to do that then say Calgary. But money has a way of trumping that.

 

Yeah, I'm hoping we can keep him, but realistically, I just can't see how that happens.

 

They can do it but it would mean moving another part of the core. I think they could now trade Seabrook and or Bolland and use that money on Bickell. They're also saving money by letting Emery and Stalberg go. I don't believe anyone's offering $5 per for Bickell.

[kujay]

I can see him taking a short-term contract for that very reason, but other teams will have a lot more space to afford a bigger short-term contract. He's not going to get the "pillow contract" from the blackhawks.

 

I'd like to to be wrong about this. I'll cling to the hope that he likes winning in the playoffs and sees Chicago as a better place to do that then say Calgary. But money has a way of trumping that.

 

Yeah, I'm hoping we can keep him, but realistically, I just can't see how that happens.

 

They can do it but it would mean moving another part of the core. I think they could now trade Seabrook and or Bolland and use that money on Bickell. They're also saving money by letting Emery and Stalberg go. I don't believe anyone's offering $5 per for Bickell.

 

You think Feaster or Tallon won't? I don't know if the salary cap floor is going down with the cap this summer, but I think he'll get 4/20.

[biittner77]

Bickell's still relatively unproven. I mean would you be ok with the Hawks giving him $5 million per? He's never had a 20 goal season.

 

You make a good point about uncle Dale though since he drafted Bickell originally (didn't he?)

[Banedon]

He's never had a 20 goal season.

 

8 goals in 16 playoff games. That extrapolates out nicely in an 82 game season. :)

[jersey cubs fan]

Bickell's still relatively unproven. I mean would you be ok with the Hawks giving him $5 million per? He's never had a 20 goal season.

 

You make a good point about uncle Dale though since he drafted Bickell originally (didn't he?)

 

playoff heroes routinely sign bloated contracts when their playoff numbers outpace their typical regular season numbers.

[kujay]

Bickell's still relatively unproven. I mean would you be ok with the Hawks giving him $5 million per? He's never had a 20 goal season.

 

You make a good point about uncle Dale though since he drafted Bickell originally (didn't he?)

 

I think it was still Pulford back then. If the question is should the Hawks give him $5 million per, no. They should not. My statement was that someone will.

[NewUserName]

Bickell's still relatively unproven. I mean would you be ok with the Hawks giving him $5 million per? He's never had a 20 goal season.

 

You make a good point about uncle Dale though since he drafted Bickell originally (didn't he?)

 

I just threw 5 mill out as an example. His playoff push is probably making 4 realistic.

 

If he can be a somewhat productive top 6, he could fill a very huge need for the Wings. They probably would not have any problem paying him 4 mill. Personally I would rather the Wings tried to get Stalberg for less. Not that I think he is better but I think he may end up being better value while still providing some size. The Wings have not been very successful at acquiring FA the last few off-seasons though.

Edited June 7, 2013 by NewUserName

[Guest]

Bickell's still relatively unproven. I mean would you be ok with the Hawks giving him $5 million per? He's never had a 20 goal season.

 

You make a good point about uncle Dale though since he drafted Bickell originally (didn't he?)

 

playoff heroes routinely sign bloated contracts when their playoff numbers outpace their typical regular season numbers.

 

yeah, but it sucks having to replenish for a run every 3 years. i guess that's just the nature of the game now.

[jersey cubs fan]

Bickell's still relatively unproven. I mean would you be ok with the Hawks giving him $5 million per? He's never had a 20 goal season.

 

You make a good point about uncle Dale though since he drafted Bickell originally (didn't he?)

 

playoff heroes routinely sign bloated contracts when their playoff numbers outpace their typical regular season numbers.

 

yeah, but it sucks having to replenish for a run every 3 years. i guess that's just the nature of the game now.

 

Better than replenishing every 50 years.

[Guest]

true, but our core is pretty solid, it would be nice to add to that core or replace members of that core every so often.

[kujay]

true, but our core is pretty solid, it would be nice to add to that core or replace members of that core every so often.

 

That's the good thing about this year, whatever happens there won't have to be a firesale. Saad stepped up this year. A new guy will need to step up next year. That's the only way it's going to work with so much high-priced talent on this team. We can't keep the $3-4 million role players. And that's okay as long as the younger guys do progress and the team continues to draft well. I look forward to seeing Teravainen in a few years.

[Banedon]

true, but our core is pretty solid, it would be nice to add to that core or replace members of that core every so often.

 

That's the good thing about this year, whatever happens there won't have to be a firesale. Saad stepped up this year. A new guy will need to step up next year. That's the only way it's going to work with so much high-priced talent on this team. We can't keep the $3-4 million role players. And that's okay as long as the younger guys do progress and the team continues to draft well. I look forward to seeing Teravainen in a few years.

 

So, as a relatively new hockey fan, I've wondered this....is the NHL happy with the amount of movement of players in the league? Subjectively, it seems like more than any other sport, player movement is a given. I don't think there's many/any players that play for a single team their whole careers. And I suppose that's true in a lot of other sports, but it seems especially rare in hockey.

[jersey cubs fan]

true, but our core is pretty solid, it would be nice to add to that core or replace members of that core every so often.

 

That's the good thing about this year, whatever happens there won't have to be a firesale. Saad stepped up this year. A new guy will need to step up next year. That's the only way it's going to work with so much high-priced talent on this team. We can't keep the $3-4 million role players. And that's okay as long as the younger guys do progress and the team continues to draft well. I look forward to seeing Teravainen in a few years.

 

So, as a relatively new hockey fan, I've wondered this....is the NHL happy with the amount of movement of players in the league? Subjectively, it seems like more than any other sport, player movement is a given. I don't think there's many/any players that play for a single team their whole careers. And I suppose that's true in a lot of other sports, but it seems especially rare in hockey.

 

Movement is the norm, but you do have guys like Datsyuk and Brodeur who have been in the same spot forever.

 

It's the one sport that combines the ability for some guys to come in at 18/19 and play right away, plus becoming a free agent very early. They NHL seems much more interested in dividing up the revenue between owners and players than limiting player movement.

[biittner77]

Movement is the norm, but you do have guys like Datsyuk and Brodeur who have been in the same spot forever.

 

It's the one sport that combines the ability for some guys to come in at 18/19 and play right away, plus becoming a free agent very early. They NHL seems much more interested in dividing up the revenue between owners and players than limiting player movement.

 

Less so with the new CBA but yes

[UMFan83]

Obviously we still have work to do and I'm not getting ahead of myself but I heard on the Score today that if neither of the conference finals goes 6 games, the SCF will start on Tuesday (6/11). If either series goes 6 or longer, the SCF will start Saturday 6/15.

[seanimal]

is there really a lot of movement? i mean, look at the top players; crosby, datsyuk, toews, ovechkin, bergeron, zetterberg, kopitar... they're not going anywhere. role players will move, but who cares

[jersey cubs fan]

is there really a lot of movement? i mean, look at the top players; crosby, datsyuk, toews, ovechkin, bergeron, zetterberg, kopitar... they're not going anywhere. role players will move, but who cares

I wouldn't call everybody below that group a role player. And those won't all stay in the same spot forever.

 

Gretzky, jagr, messier. They all moved. Crosby is probably a lock to not move, but ovi is a weirdo on a poorly run team. Who knows with him.

 

I'd day yes, there is a lot of movement. And it's not just one last team at the end of a career. Just look at hossa. His story is normal.

[UMFan83]

Obviously we still have work to do and I'm not getting ahead of myself but I heard on the Score today that if neither of the conference finals goes 6 games, the SCF will start on Tuesday (6/11). If either series goes 6 or longer, the SCF will start Saturday 6/15.

 

Sorry I misheard. Game 1 would be Wednesday....

 

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie

If LA wins the West, Cup starts next Sat in BOS; If CHI wins West, Cup starts in CHI on Wed or Sat. But Cup final can't start in LA. Got it?

[seanimal]

is there really a lot of movement? i mean, look at the top players; crosby, datsyuk, toews, ovechkin, bergeron, zetterberg, kopitar... they're not going anywhere. role players will move, but who cares

I wouldn't call everybody below that group a role player. And those won't all stay in the same spot forever.

 

Gretzky, jagr, messier. They all moved. Crosby is probably a lock to not move, but ovi is a weirdo on a poorly run team. Who knows with him.

 

I'd day yes, there is a lot of movement. And it's not just one last team at the end of a career. Just look at hossa. His story is normal.

 

i feel like hossa is the outlier as far as talent and the amount of movement as a result of free agency. but i do agree with the point about players hitting free agency early in their careers. i think the biggest thing that determines whether a player moves during that first real shot to cash in is how well has their team build something around them. at least to the point that they compete, i think that's the common thread amongst all of those guys that i mentioned earlier

 

suter and parise going to the wild maybe betray that point, since they each came from teams that had good things going (though i know some would debate nashville)

[UMFan83]

I've been reading impressions of a potential Bruins/Hawks series this morning. I gotta stop it and remind myself there's a series to win tonight.

[Guest]

finish these fucks tonight