Keepers

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who the hell is kim jin-yeong?

[rawaction]

My team.

 

C- JP Arencibia- EXEMPT

1B- Anthony Rizzo- EXEMPT

SS- Ian Desmond- EXEMPT

3B- Pablo Sandoval- 297.25

OF- Justin Upton- 447.75

 

SP- Johnny Cueto- 622

SP- Zach Greinke- 552.5

SP- Stephen Strasburg- EXEMPT

SP- Matt Harvey- EXEMPT

SP- Chris Archer- EXEMPT (I actually meant to drop Archer and keep Garrett Richards, if that can be changed fine...if not it's cool too)

[cbbryan]

who the hell is kim jin-yeong?

 

Cubs pitching prospect that will probably be dropped from my lineup. I think he signed for $1.8 M or something around there, a few years back.

[moochpuppy]

My team.

 

C- JP Arencibia- EXEMPT

1B- Anthony Rizzo- EXEMPT

SS- Ian Desmond- EXEMPT

3B- Pablo Sandoval- 297.25

OF- Justin Upton- 447.75

 

SP- Johnny Cueto- 622

SP- Zach Greinke- 552.5

SP- Stephen Strasburg- EXEMPT

SP- Matt Harvey- EXEMPT

SP- Chris Archer- EXEMPT (I actually meant to drop Archer and keep Garrett Richards, if that can be changed fine...if not it's cool too)

 

I think Ian Desmond is no longer exempt.

[abuck1220]

desmond is not exempt.

 

82 abs in 2009

500+ abs in 2010

500+ abs in 2011

 

end of exemptions.

[abuck1220]

Wright - 506

Zobrist - 480.25

J. Johnson - 455.5

Fielder - 550.0

Freeman - exempt

Perez - exempt

Revere - exempt

Trumbo - exempt

Lynn - exempt

Estrada - exempt

 

1991.75

[rawaction]

desmond is not exempt.

 

82 abs in 2009

500+ abs in 2010

500+ abs in 2011

 

end of exemptions.

 

I thought it was 100 abs

[TruffleShuffle]

desmond is not exempt.

 

82 abs in 2009

500+ abs in 2010

500+ abs in 2011

 

end of exemptions.

 

I thought it was 100 abs

 

Players will be cap-exempt for their first three years. A year is a season in which a player has 50 or more plate appearances, 5 pitching starts, or 10 total appearances.

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desmond is not exempt.

 

82 abs in 2009

500+ abs in 2010

500+ abs in 2011

 

end of exemptions.

 

I thought it was 100 abs

 

That's the minor league limit

[abuck1220]

if that trade you made yesterday needs to be undone for you to figure this out, let me know.

[rawaction]

[expletive] it. I'll just drop him. My dumb ass mistake.

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Wait, you made that trade with hbc for 2 guys he wasn't going to keep, you gave up the best SS and a top 5 3b (clearly the two best players in the deal), you only made the deal to get under the cap when it turns out you were wrong about your backup SS being exempt, and now you end up with no SS and just 9 keepers?

 

That was a pretty brutal last-minute trade before I knew all of that. I sure hope hbc didn't know you were banking on Desmond being exempt bc that would be really underhanded.

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Barring any last minute trades:

 

 

1B Craig Allen 0 points

3B Ryan Zimmerman 458 points

OF Josh Reddick 0 points

DH Billy Butler 503 points

 

SP Doug Fister 416.5 points

SP A.J. Griffin 0 points

SP Mike Minor 0 points

SP Nate Eovaldi 0 points

SP Cole Hamels 620 points

RP Craig Kimbrel 0 points

 

ML Billy Hamilton

ML Archie Bradley

ML Matt Barnes

ML Allen Webster

ML Eddie Rosario

ML Tyler Thornsburg

ML Garin Cecchini

ML Roman Mendez

ML Jose Campos

ML Keyvius Sampson

 

 

 

Total 1998

 

 

Notable drops

 

Mark Teixeira

Jose Reyes

Michael Bourn

 

Forgive me if this was addressed, but is Reddick exempt ? I thought he had 50+ AB's in 09. If I'm wrong, please disregard.

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Ron Washington's Crack Dealers, 2013 Keepers:

 

C - Buster Posey - 0 (last exemption)

1B - Ike Davis - 0 (last exemption)

OF - Matt Kemp - 371.25

OF - Jason Werth - 235.75

OF - Lucas Duda - 0 (exemption)

 

SP - Clayton Kershaw - 732

SP - Anibal Sanchez - 455.5

SP - Matt Moore - 0 (exemption)

SP - Jarrod Parker - 0 (exemption)

RP - John Axford - 0 (exemption)

 

Total = 1794.5

 

Please check me on this as I think it is accurate and exemptions correct.

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Barring any last minute trades:

 

 

1B Craig Allen 0 points

3B Ryan Zimmerman 458 points

OF Josh Reddick 0 points

DH Billy Butler 503 points

 

SP Doug Fister 416.5 points

SP A.J. Griffin 0 points

SP Mike Minor 0 points

SP Nate Eovaldi 0 points

SP Cole Hamels 620 points

RP Craig Kimbrel 0 points

 

ML Billy Hamilton

ML Archie Bradley

ML Matt Barnes

ML Allen Webster

ML Eddie Rosario

ML Tyler Thornsburg

ML Garin Cecchini

ML Roman Mendez

ML Jose Campos

ML Keyvius Sampson

 

 

 

Total 1998

 

 

Notable drops

 

Mark Teixeira

Jose Reyes

Michael Bourn

 

Forgive me if this was addressed, but is Reddick exempt ? I thought he had 50+ AB's in 09. If I'm wrong, please disregard.

 

You're right. Over 50 PAs in 09, 10, 11, and 12.

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Quakers

 

Major Keepers

c- mauer - 444

1b - Votto - 392.75

2b - Cano - 561

of - McCutcheon - 571

DH - Montero - exempt

sp - Niese - exempt

sp - Iwakuma - exempt

sp - DelaRosa - exempt

sp/rp - Chapman - exempt

rp - Reed - exempt

 

Keeper points - 1968.75

 

I still have Hanley Ramirez on my roll, since a few teams said they were interested in trading for him. But if I do not hear back soon, then I will drop him. Edit - He is dropped.

 

Minors

Hedges - c

Arenado - 3b

Bogaerts - ss

Flores - ss

Hanson - ss

Bell - of

Martin - p

Norris - p

Ventura - p

 

Mauer actually had 455 but that doesn't change your points.

 

But Niese isn't exempt. He had 5 starts in 09 and much more than 5 each of the last 3 years.

[abuck1220]

reddick is not exempt.

[abuck1220]

niese is not exempt.

[roadster]

I, too, thought it was 100ABs. Please drop Reddick and replace him with Lucas Harrell

 

Thanks

[cbbryan]

Wait, you made that trade with hbc for 2 guys he wasn't going to keep, you gave up the best SS and a top 5 3b (clearly the two best players in the deal), you only made the deal to get under the cap when it turns out you were wrong about your backup SS being exempt, and now you end up with no SS and just 9 keepers?

 

That was a pretty brutal last-minute trade before I knew all of that. I sure hope hbc didn't know you were banking on Desmond being exempt bc that would be really underhanded.

 

No, I did not know.

[rawaction]

Wait, you made that trade with hbc for 2 guys he wasn't going to keep, you gave up the best SS and a top 5 3b (clearly the two best players in the deal), you only made the deal to get under the cap when it turns out you were wrong about your backup SS being exempt, and now you end up with no SS and just 9 keepers?

 

That was a pretty brutal last-minute trade before I knew all of that. I sure hope hbc didn't know you were banking on Desmond being exempt bc that would be really underhanded.

The "two guys he wasn't going to keep" argument is stupid. That's the only reason any of these offseason trades are made because we're not going to keep them. Tim gave me a 2nd round pick and a potentially elite pitcher with 2 exemption years left for 2 guys I wasn't going to be able to keep. And it's not like I was going to be able draft Cueto anyway without having a 1st round pick. As pitching thin as this draft is, Cueto might not have lasted past #1, considering he would have been 2nd for projected points among SPs available by 1.5 points to RA Dickey. Cueto was the 7th highest scoring pitcher last year and was 33rd the year before despite only 156 innings (everyone ahead of him save for Vogelsong had at least 33 more innings pitched). He outscored both Tulo and Headley each of the last 2 years, so I'd argue that I gave up "clearly the best 2 players in the deal" is dead wrong also.

 

As for Tulowitzki, he hasn't been the best SS in 3 years. Has missed at least 40 games in 3 of the last 5 seasons, and 1 other he missed 20 games. And I thought I had a SS in place. I do have a 3B in place which made Headley expendable. Plus, I'm not convinced he can repeat his numbers even with the fences moved in at Petco. If I didn't make the trade I would have had to drop either Sandoval or Tulo.

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Hey whatever floats your boat. But I didn't say the two guys that will score the most points. I said the two best players. SP score more in this league, so saying the SP will put up more points than a SS and 3B is a very low bar. Tulo and Headley were the best SS and 3B that would have been available. Cueto may have been among the top projected SP available, but he was in a group with a few other SP. The drop from Cueto to the next guy is almost meaningless - not true for Tulo and Headley.

 

I'm not sure what the point is, I guess. It just feels odd, I think, for some of the rest of the league when you made a trade to put yourself just barely over the limit on the deadline and then had to trade away two top 5 guys at their positions in an almost literally last second deal to bail out HBC b/c you had to dump points to get back under the limit again. Pretty huge windfall for HBC.

[sneakypower]

yeah, you quite obviously got ripped off bad in that deal, raw

[Quakers]

Sorry, for whatever reason I thought 5 starts as below the limit. I think that 10 starts is the minor league cap.

 

Niese has been dropped.

[Guest]

Karma strikes back - Gamel is out for the year, so Chuck essentially wasted a keeper spot, too.