The 2012 Offseason Thread

[davell]

Actially, it looks like the Yankees may be paying 13 mill of whats left. At any rate, the difference in asking price of the prospects coming back would be quite different. (Wells has had a decent ST, but still......) Personally, I think the Yankees will finish last in that division this year. No need for them to give up a decent to good return for Soriano, when its likely they're not even a playoff team this year. Wells is just a body, but could conceivably have a season close to what Sori does, if they get lucky.

[cbbryan]

Actially, it looks like the Yankees may be paying 13 mill of whats left. At any rate, the difference in asking price of the prospects coming back would be quite different. (Wells has had a decent ST, but still......) Personally, I think the Yankees will finish last in that division this year. No need for them to give up a decent to good return for Soriano, when its likely they're not even a playoff team this year. Wells is just a body, but could conceivably have a season close to what Sori does, if they get lucky.

 

 

That was kind of my take too. I just hadn't heard what the players coming back to the Angels where. I can only imagine it's less than the Cubs would expect for Soriano.

[Backtobanks]

Wells has been traded twice since his contract was labeled "Most Untradeable".

[Little Slide Rooter]

The Yankees are about to complete a deal for Vernon Wells.

 

 

I saw this, but haven't heard anything on what's going back to the Angels. I heard the Angels where taking on all but $5M of his contract.

 

Wouldn't the Cubs have done something very similar for Soriano? The only thing I can think is the Yanks don't want to pay anything, on top of not giving any talent...

 

The motivation for trading Soriano is all about getting talent in return, not money. Asuming that we did eat some 90% of Soriano's contract to trade him, we'd likely be asking for at least a return comparable to that we got for Mark DeRosa. Probably better or else we likely would have moved him by now. There's no urgency to trade Soriano, or even anyone chomping at the bit to take over his spot, and while a rough first half could crush whatever trade value 2012 replenished, it's certainly worth the gamble if nobody's making a worthwhile offer.

 

If the Angels get anything more than an organizational and maybe a long-shot lottery ticket, I'll be shocked.

[Guest]

Ken_Rosenthal 48s Lohse to #Brewers, per @JonHeymanCBS, pending physical. Boras had stayed in touch with Brewers owner Attanasio. Team will lose No. 17 pick.

[Cubswin11]

Suppan 2.0

[Hairyducked Idiot]

lolBrewers.

 

Their window is closed. Time to start acting like it.

[Cubswin11]

3 years $11mm per+ incentives. No, seriously.

 

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/brewers.html

[Smack]

3 years $11mm per+ incentives. No, seriously.

 

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/brewers.html

 

Wasn't everyone laughing at Melvin for the Ramirez contract last year? .300/.360/.540

 

He's a pretty solid GM and has made moves Greinke/Sabathia, etc. to keep them competitive despite the small market. He's got a lineup that can score runs and SP was their biggest area of need.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

3 years $11mm per+ incentives. No, seriously.

 

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/brewers.html

 

Wasn't everyone laughing at Melvin for the Ramirez contract last year? .300/.360/.540

 

He's a pretty solid GM and has made moves Greinke/Sabathia, etc. to keep them competitive despite the small market. He's got a lineup that can score runs and SP was their biggest area of need.

 

Not really. They were laughing when he gave that money to Jeff Suppan and Randy Wolf, though. And that was without also giving up a first round pick.

[Guest]

3 years $11mm per+ incentives. No, seriously.

 

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/brewers.html

 

Wasn't everyone laughing at Melvin for the Ramirez contract last year? .300/.360/.540

 

He's a pretty solid GM and has made moves Greinke/Sabathia, etc. to keep them competitive despite the small market. He's got a lineup that can score runs and SP was their biggest area of need.

 

 

Giving up first rounders and first round draft money is exactly what a smaller market team that is clearly a distant 3rd best (at best) in its division should be doing.

[Smack]

3 years $11mm per+ incentives. No, seriously.

 

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/brewers.html

 

Wasn't everyone laughing at Melvin for the Ramirez contract last year? .300/.360/.540

 

He's a pretty solid GM and has made moves Greinke/Sabathia, etc. to keep them competitive despite the small market. He's got a lineup that can score runs and SP was their biggest area of need.

 

 

Giving up first rounders and first round draft money is exactly what a smaller market team that is clearly a distant 3rd best (at best) in its division should be doing.

 

True, and a total rebuild is probably not too far in the distant future. One more year of wear and tear on Hart / Weeks / Ramirez and they could be in really bad shape next year.

[Little Slide Rooter]

3 years $11mm per+ incentives. No, seriously.

 

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/brewers.html

 

Wasn't everyone laughing at Melvin for the Ramirez contract last year? .300/.360/.540

 

He's a pretty solid GM and has made moves Greinke/Sabathia, etc. to keep them competitive despite the small market. He's got a lineup that can score runs and SP was their biggest area of need.

 

 

Giving up first rounders and first round draft money is exactly what a smaller market team that is clearly a distant 3rd best (at best) in its division should be doing.

 

True, and a total rebuild is probably not too far in the distant future. One more year of wear and tear on Hart / Weeks / Ramirez and they could be in really bad shape next year.

 

The Brewers brought up a very enviable core during the mid 00s and have managed to keep their window open longer than many expected. This is what allowed them to go out and empty out the rest of their farm system for Sabbathia, Greinke, and Marcum as well as splurge on guys like Suppan and Wolf. I'm not saying that they were good ideas, but that production from within allowed them to act like a big market team. This being said,it's hard to really fault Melvin for taking what he had and go all into win now mode they way he did when the opportunity was there. Before the CBA, small market teams were at a pretty big disadvantage, especially when sharing a division with the Cubs who were big spenders at the time and The Cardinals who always manage to stay in contention.

[Smack]

It's going to be a long and ugly rebuild when they do it. Their farm is empty. I'm looking forward to cheap Cubs tickets up here as the Brewers slide into rebuild and the Cubs move towards the playoffs.

[Guest]

Geez, the Cardinals keep getting richer too.

 

•I had just about completed today's Ask BA when Jon Heyman of CBS Sports reported that the Brewers will sign Kyle Lohse, pending a physical. Lohse is the last remaining compensation free agent on the market, and assuming the deal gets completed, Milwaukee would give up the No. 17 overall pick in the draft (with a pick value of roughly $2.1 million) and the Cardinals (his former club) would get the No. 28 choice (worth roughly $1.8 million).

[Guest]

Before the CBA, small market teams were at a pretty big disadvantage, especially when sharing a division with the Cubs who were big spenders at the time and The Cardinals who always manage to stay in contention.

 

Are you trying to imply that they're at less of a disadvantage now?

[Cubswin11]

The Brewers brought up a very enviable core during the mid 00s and have managed to keep their window open longer than many expected. This is what allowed them to go out and empty out the rest of their farm system for Sabbathia, Greinke, and Marcum as well as splurge on guys like Suppan and Wolf. I'm not saying that they were good ideas, but that production from within allowed them to act like a big market team. This being said,it's hard to really fault Melvin for taking what he had and go all into win now mode they way he did when the opportunity was there.Before the CBA, small market teams were at a pretty big disadvantage, especially when sharing a division with the Cubs who were big spenders at the time and The Cardinals who always manage to stay in contention.

Are you talking about the new CBA or the one the Brewers operated under to build their team? Because the new CBA hurts small market teams more than the old one.

[Guest]

http://i.imgur.com/P6I6pcL.png

[Hairyducked Idiot]

With regard to the draft rules, I don't think the new CBA hurts any market size specifically.

[KingCubsFan]

With regard to the draft rules, I don't think the new CBA hurts any market size specifically.

It certainly hurts smart small-market teams like the Rays and Pirates more than anyone else (including smart big market teams). But if you were never willing to use the draft and international free agency to your advantage beforehand, then I agree the CBA doesn't hurt any market size specifically.

[jersey cubs fan]

With regard to the draft rules, I don't think the new CBA hurts any market size specifically.

It certainly hurts smart small-market teams like the Rays and Pirates more than anyone else (including smart big market teams). But if you were never willing to use the draft and international free agency to your advantage beforehand, then I agree the CBA doesn't hurt any market size specifically.

 

The Pirates are a smart small-market team? Since when?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Last few years? How long has the current FO been in charge?

[Guest]

With regard to the draft rules, I don't think the new CBA hurts any market size specifically.

It certainly hurts smart small-market teams like the Rays and Pirates more than anyone else (including smart big market teams). But if you were never willing to use the draft and international free agency to your advantage beforehand, then I agree the CBA doesn't hurt any market size specifically.

 

The Pirates are a smart small-market team? Since when?

 

it's that navy seals training

[jersey cubs fan]

Last few years? How long has the current FO been in charge?

 

2007. Pittsburgh has been throwing money at prospects for much longer than that. They just suck at it.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Last few years? How long has the current FO been in charge?

 

2007. Pittsburgh has been throwing money at prospects for much longer than that. They just suck at it.

 

They've been getting better. Project to be .500 this year and have a farm system maybe a bit better than ours.