College Football - Championship Week (Dec. 1)

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Kind of weird Florida gets in over Georgia.

 

 

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Florida probably has the best resume of any sec team, Bama included

 

Yet they lost to Georgia, at home.

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Kind of weird Florida gets in over Georgia.

 

 

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Florida probably has the best resume of any sec team, Bama included

 

Yet they lost to Georgia, at home.

 

Yet they have the best resume of any sec team

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Kind of weird Florida gets in over Georgia.

 

 

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Florida probably has the best resume of any sec team, Bama included

 

Yet they lost to Georgia, at home.

 

Yet they have the best resume of any sec team

 

I guess they should cancel the game Saturday and let them play ND

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Given that the system in place is different than the one discussed in the article, that's a stupid idea.

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best DC in college football.

 

What does Bob Diaco have to do with this?

2010 (Robinson): 393 YPG

2010 (Robinson): 448 YPG

2011 (Mattison): 317 YPG

2012 (Mattison): 311 YPG

 

that's without really adding any high-impact freshmen, and using a [expletive] walk-on at safety; Diaco has a future top-5 pick to work with and other five-star recruits

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best DC in college football.

 

What does Bob Diaco have to do with this?

2010 (Robinson): 393 YPG

2010 (Robinson): 448 YPG

2011 (Mattison): 317 YPG

2012 (Mattison): 311 YPG

 

that's without really adding any high-impact freshmen, and using a [expletive] walk-on at safety; Diaco has a future top-5 pick to work with and other five-star recruits

 

Ypg is a weird stat to use given the disparity in opponents. What were the relative strengths of the offenses Mattison and Robinson faced? How many great offenses did UM face this year?

 

And in your world, the DC doesn't have a role in bringing in players, only coaching the ones that somehow land on campus? Other than Manti, the 5-stars Diaco has are there bc he brought them there. He was critical in landing and keeping Tuitt. It was his coffee and donuts at 5am that kept Williams from visiting PSU and locked him up. He secured Day.

 

As for players, Diaco's backfield consists of a junior WR, a true freshman RB, a true sophomore safety who has played football for fewer than 5 years and Zeke Motta.

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Given that the system in place is different than the one discussed in the article, that's a stupid idea.

 

It's stupid that Georgia beat Florida on the road and both teams have one loss yet Georgia would be the team left out. Florida is better off being in 3rd place in the SEC than 1st or 2nd. They can sit at home with a spot in the 4 team playoff already locked up while Georgia and Alabama (AHEAD OF THEM IN THE STANDINGS) have to play for one spot. How does that make sense?

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Given that the system in place is different than the one discussed in the article, that's a stupid idea.

 

It's stupid that Georgia beat Florida on the road and both teams have one loss yet Georgia would be the team left out. Florida is better off being in 3rd place in the SEC than 1st or 2nd. They can sit at home with a spot in the 4 team playoff already locked up while Georgia and Alabama (AHEAD OF THEM IN THE STANDINGS) have to play for one spot. How does that make sense?

 

That's assuming Bama wins. Jesus. Don't fight the hypo. If Bama loses, GA is in the playoff.

 

And do you think for 2 seconds Florida wouldn't gladly trade places with GA?

 

If GA were undefeated, it'd be different. But both have 1 loss. Florida's loss is better than Georgia's and Florida has more quality wins. In the current system, Florida had to win against GA to get a shot at the sec title and thus the bcs. That's not the case in the playoff.

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Kind of weird Florida gets in over Georgia.

 

 

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Florida probably has the best resume of any sec team, Bama included

 

Yet they lost to Georgia, at home.

 

WLOCP is a neutral site. Florida also killed South Carolina(who killed UGA), and beat LSU and @aTM(neither of whom UGA played). Throw in a win @FSU(compared to....v. Georgia Tech I guess for UGA), and there's little question who had the better year. Georgia is in the title game because USC couldn't beat LSU and Georgia didn't have to.

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Given that the system in place is different than the one discussed in the article, that's a stupid idea.

 

It's stupid that Georgia beat Florida on the road and both teams have one loss yet Georgia would be the team left out. Florida is better off being in 3rd place in the SEC than 1st or 2nd. They can sit at home with a spot in the 4 team playoff already locked up while Georgia and Alabama (AHEAD OF THEM IN THE STANDINGS) have to play for one spot. How does that make sense?

 

That's assuming Bama wins. Jesus. Don't fight the hypo. If Bama loses, GA is in the playoff.

 

And do you think for 2 seconds Florida wouldn't gladly trade places with GA?

 

This year they would gladly trade places. When the new rules are in effect, hell no they wouldn't.

[Andy]

Given that the system in place is different than the one discussed in the article, that's a stupid idea.

 

It's stupid that Georgia beat Florida on the road and both teams have one loss yet Georgia would be the team left out. Florida is better off being in 3rd place in the SEC than 1st or 2nd. They can sit at home with a spot in the 4 team playoff already locked up while Georgia and Alabama (AHEAD OF THEM IN THE STANDINGS) have to play for one spot. How does that make sense?

If conferences are going to have blatant money grabs (which is all these championship games are and all they've ever been), then the teams in them have to accept the consequences of those games.

 

Florida has a better resume than Georgia going into this Saturday. Georgia has played two teams with winning records. Two.

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Given that the system in place is different than the one discussed in the article, that's a stupid idea.

 

It's stupid that Georgia beat Florida on the road and both teams have one loss yet Georgia would be the team left out. Florida is better off being in 3rd place in the SEC than 1st or 2nd. They can sit at home with a spot in the 4 team playoff already locked up while Georgia and Alabama (AHEAD OF THEM IN THE STANDINGS) have to play for one spot. How does that make sense?

 

That's assuming Bama wins. Jesus. Don't fight the hypo. If Bama loses, GA is in the playoff.

 

And do you think for 2 seconds Florida wouldn't gladly trade places with GA?

 

This year they would gladly trade places. When the new rules are in effect, hell no they wouldn't.

 

Georgia could absolutely make a stronger case for themselves in 2014. Start scheduling quality OOC games and winning them and voila.

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Kind of weird Florida gets in over Georgia.

 

 

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Florida probably has the best resume of any sec team, Bama included

 

Yet they lost to Georgia, at home.

 

WLOCP is a neutral site. Florida also killed South Carolina(who killed UGA), and beat LSU and @aTM(neither of whom UGA played). Throw in a win @FSU(compared to....v. Georgia Tech I guess for UGA), and there's little question who had the better year. Georgia is in the title game because USC couldn't beat LSU and Georgia didn't have to.

 

So should conferences start selecting championship game participants based on resume and go away from divisions?

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Or does it just make sense to scrap conference championship games and expand the playoff? I would be more in favor of that.

[sneakypower]

2010 (Robinson): 393 YPG

2010 (Robinson): 448 YPG

2011 (Mattison): 317 YPG

2012 (Mattison): 311 YPG

 

that's without really adding any high-impact freshmen, and using a [expletive] walk-on at safety; Diaco has a future top-5 pick to work with and other five-star recruits

 

Ypg is a weird stat to use given the disparity in opponents. What were the relative strengths of the offenses Mattison and Robinson faced? How many great offenses did UM face this year?

 

And in your world, the DC doesn't have a role in bringing in players, only coaching the ones that somehow land on campus? Other than Manti, the 5-stars Diaco has are there bc he brought them there. He was critical in landing and keeping Tuitt. It was his coffee and donuts at 5am that kept Williams from visiting PSU and locked him up. He secured Day.

 

As for players, Diaco's backfield consists of a junior WR, a true freshman RB, a true sophomore safety who has played football for fewer than 5 years and Zeke Motta.

best recruiter is a whole other argument, but Mattison was the guy who recruited Tebow to UF and is considered amongst the best

 

i'll just say this- i think if you were restrained in a Clockwork Orange setup and forced to watch our '09 and '10 defenses, you'd probably have little argument about his status as a miracle worker

 

we made Dayne Crist look like a program savior! our cornerbacks covered like this!

http://mgoblog.com/sites/mgoblog.com/files/UponFurtherReview2010DefenseVsPennState_AB86/death6.2.jpg

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Why expand the playoff? You want luck to be a bigger factor?

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Kind of weird Florida gets in over Georgia.

 

 

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Florida probably has the best resume of any sec team, Bama included

 

Yet they lost to Georgia, at home.

 

WLOCP is a neutral site. Florida also killed South Carolina(who killed UGA), and beat LSU and @aTM(neither of whom UGA played). Throw in a win @FSU(compared to....v. Georgia Tech I guess for UGA), and there's little question who had the better year. Georgia is in the title game because USC couldn't beat LSU and Georgia didn't have to.

 

So should conferences start selecting championship game participants based on resume and go away from divisions?

 

Well, conference championships not necessarily having the two best teams or the best team from each division isn't really a new thing. Just like last year, the aims of the conference championships and the BCS are not necessarily 100% compatible.

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Wouldn't it be advantageous to the SEC to just cancel their championship game? This year they would have 3 of 4 participants. I would say based on the future setup (and the fact that the SEC gets high preseason rankings every year) the SEC would get 2 teams almost every year with an SEC championship game only reducing their chances to get a national champion each year.

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Why would they get 4 participants this year?

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Why would they get 4 participants this year?

 

3, if it were a 4 team playoff this year, they would have Alabama, Georgia, Florida ranked 2-4. An SEC Championship game would just reduce their championship contenders.

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Why would they get 4 participants this year?

 

3, if it were a 4 team playoff this year, they would have Alabama, Georgia, Florida ranked 2-4. An SEC Championship game would just reduce their championship contenders.

 

The top 4 in the bcs don't automatically get in. That's the point of the selection committee.

 

You appear to not be grasping this at all.

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Why would they get 4 participants this year?

 

3, if it were a 4 team playoff this year, they would have Alabama, Georgia, Florida ranked 2-4. An SEC Championship game would just reduce their championship contenders.

 

The top 4 in the bcs don't automatically get in. That's the point of the selection committee.

 

You appear to not be grasping this at all.

 

For the purposes of this exercise, the group was told to assume that the higher-ranked team would win this weekend's conference championship games. (Most notably, that meant assuming Alabama will hand Georgia a second loss.)

 

Florida was in over Georgia because they were assuming a Georgia loss, also allowing Oregon in. Or are just trying to be difficult?

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Why would they get 4 participants this year?

 

3, if it were a 4 team playoff this year, they would have Alabama, Georgia, Florida ranked 2-4. An SEC Championship game would just reduce their championship contenders.

 

The top 4 in the bcs don't automatically get in. That's the point of the selection committee.

 

You appear to not be grasping this at all.

 

For the purposes of this exercise, the group was told to assume that the higher-ranked team would win this weekend's conference championship games. (Most notably, that meant assuming Alabama will hand Georgia a second loss.)

 

Florida was in over Georgia because they were assuming a Georgia loss, also allowing Oregon in. Or are just trying to be difficult?

 

Jesus. The mock committee didn't pull the teams from what they thought the bcs rankings would be if GA lost. They discussed the top teams and decided on those 4 independent of the bcs rankings.

 

In other words, if there were no sec title game, all 3 teams in the top 4 likely wouldn't make the playoff as the committee seemed to greatly discount GA due to it's schedule.

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They put a [expletive] disclaimer in saying the selections were made under the assumption that Georgia loses this weekend.

 

Your [expletive] committee wouldn't pick Oregon over Georgia if Georgia did not have another loss on their resume.

 

It doesn't have to be the exact BCS rankings, in this circumstance that's what would happen.

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Kind of weird Florida gets in over Georgia.

 

 

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Yeah, I can see it's because Georgia would have an extra loss (to AL this week), but the 3rd place SEC team would fairly regularly make the playoff then while the SEC Championship game loser wouldn't make it. Right?

 

The SEC has held 21 championship games. Both participants have been ranked in the top-4 going into the game three times (08 and 09 with Florida and Bama both times, and this year).

 

In 08, Bama was undefeated and dropped to No. 4 in the BCS after the loss (and still made a BCS game). Florida was No. 4 going in and would not have made the playoff but would still have made a BCS game as the next best SEC team was a 9-3 Georgia.

 

In 09, Florida lost and dropped to No. 5 but still made a BCS game. It's entirely possible they still get selected over No. 3 Cincy or No. 4 TCU in a playoff. I assume Alabama would have been in the same boat (both were undefeated) had they lost the SEC title game. The next best SEC team was 9-3 LSU.

 

Only three other times has an SEC team ranked in the top-4 lost the SEC title game (94, 01 and 05). In 94, No. 3 Alabama lost to Florida and dropped to No. 6. Auburn was ranked in the top-10 but ineligible from postseason play. In 2001, No. 2 Tennessee lost the SEC title game to LSU and was left out of the BCS to a Florida team it beat 34-32 on the road. In 05, No. 3 LSU lost to Georgia and was left out of the BCS in favor of Notre Dame.

 

So seeing as it's happened twice in 21 years, no, I don't think it will happen every year.