Re: 2012-13 Chicago Bulls Thread

[Sammy Sofa]

A simple ACL tear for a basketball player. One who relies very heavily on explosiveness and jumping ability. That's rich.

 

Wait, you think his ACL is potentially still "hurt?"

I think that the ACL is ok, but I think he might still not be healthy enough to play. I don't know, I've never had that injury. I think there is a chance he could be a different player when he gets back.

 

Yes, which is why it would have beneficial to ideally find that out before the offseason. If he was actually hurt the Bulls would have said so. They have nothing to gain by putting an injured Rose on the floor.

[USSoccer]

Nuts, I get what you are saying, but what does he have to gain by sitting? He's taking a beating in public opinion, his general perception is taking a huge hit. Why sit, unless you are hurt?

 

Because his brother is the archetypal dbag family hanger-on that's influencing his quiet, dim brother for some stupid reason.

[illiniguy]

Nuts, I get what you are saying, but what does he have to gain by sitting? He's taking a beating in public opinion, his general perception is taking a huge hit. Why sit, unless you are hurt?

 

Because his brother is the archetypal dbag family hanger-on that's influencing his quiet, dim brother for some stupid reason.

Listen, I'm all for hating Reggie Rose, but what does he gain from this?

[USSoccer]

A simple ACL tear for a basketball player. One who relies very heavily on explosiveness and jumping ability. That's rich.

 

Wait, you think his ACL is potentially still "hurt?"

I think that the ACL is ok, but I think he might still not be healthy enough to play. I don't know, I've never had that injury. I think there is a chance he could be a different player when he gets back.

 

As a soccer player who's dealt with #nee injuries several times, I can say that coming back from an ACL/MCL injury is not that big of a deal, provided none of the other ligs around the knee were ruptured and you rehab it properly, and you're young. Rose had a simple tear, has access to the absolute best doctors and rehab facilities and is very young. There's very little reason to think he'd not be able to come back and be pretty much the same player.

[USSoccer]

Nuts, I get what you are saying, but what does he have to gain by sitting? He's taking a beating in public opinion, his general perception is taking a huge hit. Why sit, unless you are hurt?

 

Because his brother is the archetypal dbag family hanger-on that's influencing his quiet, dim brother for some stupid reason.

Listen, I'm all for hating Reggie Rose, but what does he gain from this?

 

He's playing caution and making noise so that there's no chance his brother/gravy train stands to lose financially just in case. He's also attempting to leverage the injury into the team making moves the Rose camp wants to see, which always ends in a mess. He's flexing his nuts, essentially. People love to exercise their power, whether real or perceived.

Edited April 27, 2013 by USSoccer

[illiniguy]

A simple ACL tear for a basketball player. One who relies very heavily on explosiveness and jumping ability. That's rich.

 

Wait, you think his ACL is potentially still "hurt?"

I think that the ACL is ok, but I think he might still not be healthy enough to play. I don't know, I've never had that injury. I think there is a chance he could be a different player when he gets back.

 

As a soccer player who's dealt with #nee injuries several times, I can say that coming back from an ACL/MCL injury is not that big of a deal, provided none of the other ligs around the knee were ruptured and you rehab it properly, and you're young. Rose had a simple tear, has access to the absolute best doctors and rehab facilities and is very young. There's very little reason to think he'd not be able to come back and be pretty much the same player.

Did you play at a world class level? Where even the slightest drop could be major? Didn't think so.

[Sammy Sofa]

Even though the shoulder is what he has had issues with.

 

The main thing he had "issues" with were an in-game collision and the line-drive. That was then exacerbated by managerial misuse. Those issues spiral off into additional injuries based on attempts to adjust because of the major injuries. Which is all redundant in this case since we're talking about a pitcher's precise mechanics vs. a basketball player.

[Sammy Sofa]

Nuts, I get what you are saying, but what does he have to gain by sitting? He's taking a beating in public opinion, his general perception is taking a huge hit. Why sit, unless you are hurt?

 

Because his brother is the archetypal dbag family hanger-on that's influencing his quiet, dim brother for some stupid reason.

Listen, I'm all for hating Reggie Rose, but what does he gain from this?

 

They seem to think they'd be forcing the Bulls' hand to build a different team.

[illiniguy]

Even though the shoulder is what he has had issues with.

 

The main thing he had "issues" with were an in-game collision and the line-drive. That was then exacerbated by managerial misuse. Those issues spiral off into additional injuries based on attempts to adjust because of the major injuries. Which is all redundant in this case since we're talking about a pitcher's precise mechanics vs. a basketball player.

True, I still argue though people are getting ridiculous over this. They're not beating the heat anyways.

[illiniguy]

Nuts, I get what you are saying, but what does he have to gain by sitting? He's taking a beating in public opinion, his general perception is taking a huge hit. Why sit, unless you are hurt?

 

Because his brother is the archetypal dbag family hanger-on that's influencing his quiet, dim brother for some stupid reason.

Listen, I'm all for hating Reggie Rose, but what does he gain from this?

 

They seem to think they'd be forcing the Bulls' hand to build a different team.

Michael Jordan couldn't do that with Jerry. What makes the Rose's think they could?

[USSoccer]

A simple ACL tear for a basketball player. One who relies very heavily on explosiveness and jumping ability. That's rich.

 

Wait, you think his ACL is potentially still "hurt?"

I think that the ACL is ok, but I think he might still not be healthy enough to play. I don't know, I've never had that injury. I think there is a chance he could be a different player when he gets back.

 

As a soccer player who's dealt with #nee injuries several times, I can say that coming back from an ACL/MCL injury is not that big of a deal, provided none of the other ligs around the knee were ruptured and you rehab it properly, and you're young. Rose had a simple tear, has access to the absolute best doctors and rehab facilities and is very young. There's very little reason to think he'd not be able to come back and be pretty much the same player.

Did you play at a world class level? Where even the slightest drop could be major? Didn't think so.

 

Collegiate level. I played with and against guys that still currently play professionally. And that ended after a ruptured ankle. So I do have an idea of how it works.

 

Plus, it really isn't like once you are a professional athlete the rules of surgery, rehab and recovery somehow are altered. It's the same principle at every level, adjusted for talent.

Edited April 27, 2013 by USSoccer

[Sammy Sofa]

A simple ACL tear for a basketball player. One who relies very heavily on explosiveness and jumping ability. That's rich.

 

Wait, you think his ACL is potentially still "hurt?"

I think that the ACL is ok, but I think he might still not be healthy enough to play. I don't know, I've never had that injury. I think there is a chance he could be a different player when he gets back.

 

As a soccer player who's dealt with #nee injuries several times, I can say that coming back from an ACL/MCL injury is not that big of a deal, provided none of the other ligs around the knee were ruptured and you rehab it properly, and you're young. Rose had a simple tear, has access to the absolute best doctors and rehab facilities and is very young. There's very little reason to think he'd not be able to come back and be pretty much the same player.

Did you play at a world class level? Where even the slightest drop could be major? Didn't think so.

 

Again, a ton of people are thinking Rose's style of play/ability could be different when he comes back. It benefits him and the team to find that out sooner rather than later.

[Andy]

Even though the shoulder is what he has had issues with.

 

The main thing he had "issues" with were an in-game collision and the line-drive. That was then exacerbated by managerial misuse. Those issues spiral off into additional injuries based on attempts to adjust because of the major injuries. Which is all redundant in this case since we're talking about a pitcher's precise mechanics vs. a basketball player.

True, I still argue though people are getting ridiculous over this. They're not beating the heat anyways.

I [expletive] hate the 'not beating the Heat anyway' thing. First of all, no one's beating them next year either, so I guess he should just sit that out too. Second of all, even though he's probably superhuman and incapable of injury, the fact is the Heat are one LeBron injury away from this thing being wide open. It's ridiculous to just surrender.

[illiniguy]

 

Collegiate level. I played with and against guys that still currently play professionally. And that ended after a ruptured ankle. So I do have an idea of how it works.

So then no, you didn't play at a world class level. So you don't know how this will effect a guy playing the toughest position in the world against the greatest atheletes.

[Sammy Sofa]

Even though the shoulder is what he has had issues with.

 

The main thing he had "issues" with were an in-game collision and the line-drive. That was then exacerbated by managerial misuse. Those issues spiral off into additional injuries based on attempts to adjust because of the major injuries. Which is all redundant in this case since we're talking about a pitcher's precise mechanics vs. a basketball player.

True, I still argue though people are getting ridiculous over this. They're not beating the heat anyways.

 

How are people getting ridiculous? Nobody here is talking like he was going to come back and they'd march to the Finals. Most were expecting he'd take a while to work up even be able to manage full game-load, much less leading the team to anything.

[Sammy Sofa]

 

Collegiate level. I played with and against guys that still currently play professionally. And that ended after a ruptured ankle. So I do have an idea of how it works.

So then no, you didn't play at a world class level. So you don't know how this will effect a guy playing the toughest position in the world against the greatest atheletes.

 

You're scrambling to create pointless straw men while just reiterating over and over again why sitting could easily just end up hurting him and the team because he's not actually rehabbing.

[illiniguy]

Even though the shoulder is what he has had issues with.

 

The main thing he had "issues" with were an in-game collision and the line-drive. That was then exacerbated by managerial misuse. Those issues spiral off into additional injuries based on attempts to adjust because of the major injuries. Which is all redundant in this case since we're talking about a pitcher's precise mechanics vs. a basketball player.

True, I still argue though people are getting ridiculous over this. They're not beating the heat anyways.

I [expletive] hate the 'not beating the Heat anyway' thing. First of all, no one's beating them next year either, so I guess he should just sit that out too. Second of all, even though he's probably superhuman and incapable of injury, the fact is the Heat are one LeBron injury away from this thing being wide open. It's ridiculous to just surrender.

A full year yes, but they haven't been at full health all year and are all banged up anyways. Thus, I'd punt this year and go get ready for next year.

[Sammy Sofa]

Nuts, I get what you are saying, but what does he have to gain by sitting? He's taking a beating in public opinion, his general perception is taking a huge hit. Why sit, unless you are hurt?

 

Because his brother is the archetypal dbag family hanger-on that's influencing his quiet, dim brother for some stupid reason.

Listen, I'm all for hating Reggie Rose, but what does he gain from this?

 

They seem to think they'd be forcing the Bulls' hand to build a different team.

Michael Jordan couldn't do that with Jerry. What makes the Rose's think they could?

 

Because they know everyone is seeing the success the Heat is having and they want the Bulls to pull off something similar.

[USSoccer]

 

Collegiate level. I played with and against guys that still currently play professionally. And that ended after a ruptured ankle. So I do have an idea of how it works.

So then no, you didn't play at a world class level. So you don't know how this will effect a guy playing the toughest position in the world against the greatest atheletes.

 

-If he didn't have other structural damage (which nobody's claimed) and he rehabbed it properly, he should be about the same physically. Mentally is a different hurdle, but the only way to deal with that is to go out and play and figure it out from there.

 

Plus, like N&G said, he could come back and not be the same, so it's in everyone's best interest including Rose to find out so that the team can adjust.

[illiniguy]

Even though the shoulder is what he has had issues with.

 

The main thing he had "issues" with were an in-game collision and the line-drive. That was then exacerbated by managerial misuse. Those issues spiral off into additional injuries based on attempts to adjust because of the major injuries. Which is all redundant in this case since we're talking about a pitcher's precise mechanics vs. a basketball player.

True, I still argue though people are getting ridiculous over this. They're not beating the heat anyways.

 

How are people getting ridiculous? Nobody here is talking like he was going to come back and they'd march to the Finals. Most were expecting he'd take a while to work up even be able to manage full game-load, much less leading the team to anything.

There are people saying [expletive] rose all over this thread. That's ridiculous.

[Sammy Sofa]

Even though the shoulder is what he has had issues with.

 

The main thing he had "issues" with were an in-game collision and the line-drive. That was then exacerbated by managerial misuse. Those issues spiral off into additional injuries based on attempts to adjust because of the major injuries. Which is all redundant in this case since we're talking about a pitcher's precise mechanics vs. a basketball player.

True, I still argue though people are getting ridiculous over this. They're not beating the heat anyways.

I [expletive] hate the 'not beating the Heat anyway' thing. First of all, no one's beating them next year either, so I guess he should just sit that out too. Second of all, even though he's probably superhuman and incapable of injury, the fact is the Heat are one LeBron injury away from this thing being wide open. It's ridiculous to just surrender.

A full year yes, but they haven't been at full health all year and are all banged up anyways. Thus, I'd punt this year and go get ready for next year.

 

ONCE AGAIN, you're actually hampering their chances next year because you're just pushing back his actual in-game rehab and you're impacting what moves the Bulls should make in the offseason since they don't know for sure what he can do.

[Sammy Sofa]

There are people saying [expletive] rose all over this thread. That's ridiculous.

 

Why? He's choosing to sit out while his brother is talking like he's doing so because they don't think the team is worthy of Rose while they're out there playing their guts out game after game. It's tedious and he's effectively strung the team along on this.

Edited April 27, 2013 by Sammy Sofa

[illiniguy]

Yes, god they might lose a few of those oh so important early season games now. You're totally right.

[USSoccer]

This guy's argument, boiled down to its core, might as well be that Rose retires since nobody's beating the Heat and he might not be the same player so why even bother to try and find out.

[Sammy Sofa]

Yes, god they might lose a few of those oh so important early season games now. You're totally right.

 

Holy Hell, are you not reading what I'm posting?