Minor League Discussion & Boxes 6-28-12

[Guest]

Remember when Baez went years without a walk in EXST?

[weis21]

I'll bet a romantic weekend at hccf's ranch that vogelbach is does not have average speed for a professional baseball player.

This account is a year and a half old, but I could only assume - given the reports about his weight loss - that he's as fast if not faster as when this was written.

 

When I saw him run a 60 yard dash, I was shocked. He has average speed, plus for his size, and is a better athlete than you would expect.

 

http://www.mlbbonusbaby.com/2011/1/3/1908539/draft-prospect-to-watch-dan-vogelbach

 

the part about "plus for his size" just kind of suggests to me that he runs faster than one would expect a fat first baseman to run, and they're giving him extra credit because of that. i'd be really surprised if he runs as fast as half of professional baseball players.

 

FWIW, my BA 2012 prospect handbook says he is a "well below-average runner."

 

It says "average speed, plus for his size." what the hell would make you believe that it means something else?

 

Plus he stated "When I saw him run a 60 yard dash, I was shocked". Obviously, he was faster than he seemed. This was when he was (again, I have no first-hand knowledge, but going by reports) much heavier. Would he really be shocked to see him as a somewhat-slow fat-ass? Probably not. He was shocked because, given his size, he's fairly agile and quick.

[TruffleShuffle]

I'll bet a romantic weekend at hccf's ranch that vogelbach is does not have average speed for a professional baseball player.

This account is a year and a half old, but I could only assume - given the reports about his weight loss - that he's as fast if not faster as when this was written.

 

When I saw him run a 60 yard dash, I was shocked. He has average speed, plus for his size, and is a better athlete than you would expect.

 

http://www.mlbbonusbaby.com/2011/1/3/1908539/draft-prospect-to-watch-dan-vogelbach

 

the part about "plus for his size" just kind of suggests to me that he runs faster than one would expect a fat first baseman to run, and they're giving him extra credit because of that. i'd be really surprised if he runs as fast as half of professional baseball players.

 

FWIW, my BA 2012 prospect handbook says he is a "well below-average runner."

 

It says "average speed, plus for his size." what the hell would make you believe that it means something else?

 

The fact that nothing I'd seen before that sentence indicated that he was anywhere close to being an average runner.

[weis21]

I'll bet a romantic weekend at hccf's ranch that vogelbach is does not have average speed for a professional baseball player.

This account is a year and a half old, but I could only assume - given the reports about his weight loss - that he's as fast if not faster as when this was written.

 

When I saw him run a 60 yard dash, I was shocked. He has average speed, plus for his size, and is a better athlete than you would expect.

 

http://www.mlbbonusbaby.com/2011/1/3/1908539/draft-prospect-to-watch-dan-vogelbach

 

the part about "plus for his size" just kind of suggests to me that he runs faster than one would expect a fat first baseman to run, and they're giving him extra credit because of that. i'd be really surprised if he runs as fast as half of professional baseball players.

 

FWIW, my BA 2012 prospect handbook says he is a "well below-average runner."

 

It says "average speed, plus for his size." what the hell would make you believe that it means something else?

 

The fact that nothing I'd seen before that sentence indicated that he was anywhere close to being an average runner.

 

I have no clue who that guy is that I quoted, so I'm not even going to come close to vouch for him. But, he's seen him in person. When, apparently, he was some 40 pounds heavier. To think he couldn't possibly be average speed seems a little stubborn, to me. Does his body type - especially out of HS - dictate an average runner? No, absolutely not. But, according to eyewitness accounts, he was pretty agile as a fat kid. I'd only imagine he's as fast - if not a little faster - now that he's lost weight. Did BA see him in person?

 

Have you seen him run or are you just going by his body type?

[weis21]

I'll bet a romantic weekend at hccf's ranch that vogelbach is does not have average speed for a professional baseball player.

This account is a year and a half old, but I could only assume - given the reports about his weight loss - that he's as fast if not faster as when this was written.

 

When I saw him run a 60 yard dash, I was shocked. He has average speed, plus for his size, and is a better athlete than you would expect.

 

http://www.mlbbonusbaby.com/2011/1/3/1908539/draft-prospect-to-watch-dan-vogelbach

 

the part about "plus for his size" just kind of suggests to me that he runs faster than one would expect a fat first baseman to run, and they're giving him extra credit because of that. i'd be really surprised if he runs as fast as half of professional baseball players.

 

FWIW, my BA 2012 prospect handbook says he is a "well below-average runner."

 

It says "average speed, plus for his size." what the hell would make you believe that it means something else?

 

The fact that nothing I'd seen before that sentence indicated that he was anywhere close to being an average runner.

 

A testament to his power is a 508-foot bomb at Chase Field in the 2010 Perfect Game Power Showcase. At that same event, he showed tremendous speed for his size by being clocked at a time of 7.06 seconds in the 60-yard dash.

 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1171001-chicago-cubs-top-3-prospects-from-2011-mlb-amateur-draft/page/4

[Shilzzz]

From 1999 to 2000 Adam Dunn stole 45 bases in A ball. He was caught 15 times in that span. A decent 3:1 ratio, or 75%, above the line of good production. ... Perspective.

 

(This was in 215 games... Interesting how Dunn had lines of 428/.469 as a 20 year old in Dayton, then as a 21 year old between AA and AAA he posted .444/.671. Maturation is a crazy thing)

[TruffleShuffle]

A testament to his power is a 508-foot bomb at Chase Field in the 2010 Perfect Game Power Showcase. At that same event, he showed tremendous speed for his size by being clocked at a time of 7.06 seconds in the 60-yard dash.

 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1171001-chicago-cubs-top-3-prospects-from-2011-mlb-amateur-draft/page/4

 

according to this link (angelfire, lol), the average mlb player runs the 60 in 6.9 seconds. he's faster than i would have expected though.

 

i would guess that his non-linear speed is worse, though, because he's a big dude and once all that weight gets moving in one direction, it's probably a slower process to get it turning toward another base.

[Vinestal]

A testament to his power is a 508-foot bomb at Chase Field in the 2010 Perfect Game Power Showcase. At that same event, he showed tremendous speed for his size by being clocked at a time of 7.06 seconds in the 60-yard dash.

 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1171001-chicago-cubs-top-3-prospects-from-2011-mlb-amateur-draft/page/4

 

according to this link (angelfire, lol), the average mlb player runs the 60 in 6.9 seconds. he's faster than i would have expected though.

 

i would guess that his non-linear speed is worse, though, because he's a big dude and once all that weight gets moving in one direction, it's probably a slower process to get it turning toward another base.

Sucks being wrong, just try and come to grips with it.

[TruffleShuffle]

A testament to his power is a 508-foot bomb at Chase Field in the 2010 Perfect Game Power Showcase. At that same event, he showed tremendous speed for his size by being clocked at a time of 7.06 seconds in the 60-yard dash.

 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1171001-chicago-cubs-top-3-prospects-from-2011-mlb-amateur-draft/page/4

 

according to this link (angelfire, lol), the average mlb player runs the 60 in 6.9 seconds. he's faster than i would have expected though.

 

i would guess that his non-linear speed is worse, though, because he's a big dude and once all that weight gets moving in one direction, it's probably a slower process to get it turning toward another base.

Sucks being wrong, just try and come to grips with it.

 

perhaps you should give me some pointers on how to handle it. your history on this board indicates that being wrong is a position with which you are quite comfortable.

[Vinestal]

A testament to his power is a 508-foot bomb at Chase Field in the 2010 Perfect Game Power Showcase. At that same event, he showed tremendous speed for his size by being clocked at a time of 7.06 seconds in the 60-yard dash.

 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1171001-chicago-cubs-top-3-prospects-from-2011-mlb-amateur-draft/page/4

 

according to this link (angelfire, lol), the average mlb player runs the 60 in 6.9 seconds. he's faster than i would have expected though.

 

i would guess that his non-linear speed is worse, though, because he's a big dude and once all that weight gets moving in one direction, it's probably a slower process to get it turning toward another base.

 

Sucks being wrong, just try and come to grips with it.

perhaps you should give me some pointers on how to handle it. your history on this board indicates that being wrong is a position with which you are quite comfortable.

You must have me confused with someone else, I rarely post mostly just lurk, due to the growing throng of A-holes here. If your going to dog a player maybe you should have some idea of what your talking about before you do.

[javy knows my name]

 

Sucks being wrong, just try and come to grips with it.

perhaps you should give me some pointers on how to handle it. your history on this board indicates that being wrong is a position with which you are quite comfortable.

You must have me confused with someone else, I rarely post mostly just lurk, due to the growing throng of A-holes here. If your going to dog a player maybe you should have some idea of what your talking about before you do.

 

But when you do post, your grammar is excellent.

[Vinestal]

 

Sucks being wrong, just try and come to grips with it.

perhaps you should give me some pointers on how to handle it. your history on this board indicates that being wrong is a position with which you are quite comfortable.

You must have me confused with someone else, I rarely post mostly just lurk, due to the growing throng of A-holes here. If your going to dog a player maybe you should have some idea of what your talking about before you do.

 

But when you do post, your grammar is excellent.

Yeah admittedly it's not a strength and I'm lazy about it. Placing commas and run-on sentences Im terrible with. I should probably just stick to reading, but I hate when people make fun of a player when they've gone out of their way to improve in certain aspects of their game. I guess I should just be angry in silence.

[Guest]

A testament to his power is a 508-foot bomb at Chase Field in the 2010 Perfect Game Power Showcase. At that same event, he showed tremendous speed for his size by being clocked at a time of 7.06 seconds in the 60-yard dash.

 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1171001-chicago-cubs-top-3-prospects-from-2011-mlb-amateur-draft/page/4

 

according to this link (angelfire, lol), the average mlb player runs the 60 in 6.9 seconds. he's faster than i would have expected though.

 

i would guess that his non-linear speed is worse, though, because he's a big dude and once all that weight gets moving in one direction, it's probably a slower process to get it turning toward another base.

Sucks being wrong, just try and come to grips with it.

 

perhaps you should give me some pointers on how to handle it. your history on this board indicates that being wrong is a position with which you are quite comfortable.

 

You're both sure handling things like a champ here. Is it that hard to act like an adult?

[TruffleShuffle]

sounds like a good plan.

[23sharks]

Yeah, Vogelbach is a good athlete despite his size. Per Arizona Phil's accounts, he got quite a few triples in both Fall Instructs and Extended Spring Training. He even stole a few bases. It's one of the reasons he's compared favorably to Prince Fielder (though he's not as good an athlete as Prince).

 

Any chance he can end up playing LF? With Rizzo at 1B, that would seem like the only logical place for him, if he can make it to the majors down the road.

I like all the reports I've read about his bat, sounds like he has some serious potential.

[El Duderino]

Yeah, Vogelbach is a good athlete despite his size. Per Arizona Phil's accounts, he got quite a few triples in both Fall Instructs and Extended Spring Training. He even stole a few bases. It's one of the reasons he's compared favorably to Prince Fielder (though he's not as good an athlete as Prince).

 

Any chance he can end up playing LF? With Rizzo at 1B, that would seem like the only logical place for him, if he can make it to the majors down the road.

I like all the reports I've read about his bat, sounds like he has some serious potential.

 

no. in the perfect world scenario where rizzo becomes a fixture and vogelbach develops, he'd be a really valuable trade chip

[Guest]

Yeah, Vogelbach is a good athlete despite his size. Per Arizona Phil's accounts, he got quite a few triples in both Fall Instructs and Extended Spring Training. He even stole a few bases. It's one of the reasons he's compared favorably to Prince Fielder (though he's not as good an athlete as Prince).

 

Any chance he can end up playing LF? With Rizzo at 1B, that would seem like the only logical place for him, if he can make it to the majors down the road.

I like all the reports I've read about his bat, sounds like he has some serious potential.

 

Given that he's not quite as good an athlete as Prince Fielder (I can't envision Prince ever playing LF), I don't think Vogelbach can pull off anything besides 1B.

[23sharks]

Yeah, Vogelbach is a good athlete despite his size. Per Arizona Phil's accounts, he got quite a few triples in both Fall Instructs and Extended Spring Training. He even stole a few bases. It's one of the reasons he's compared favorably to Prince Fielder (though he's not as good an athlete as Prince).

 

Any chance he can end up playing LF? With Rizzo at 1B, that would seem like the only logical place for him, if he can make it to the majors down the road.

I like all the reports I've read about his bat, sounds like he has some serious potential.

 

Given that he's not quite as good an athlete as Prince Fielder (I can't envision Prince ever playing LF), I don't think Vogelbach can pull off anything besides 1B.

 

Thanks for the info guys. So many people talking about how good of a hitter he could be, would be nice to find a position for him. Who knows, maybe the NL will have adopted the DH by the time he's ready. :D

Or ,like El Duderino said, he could make a valuable trading piece.

[El Duderino]

Yeah, Vogelbach is a good athlete despite his size. Per Arizona Phil's accounts, he got quite a few triples in both Fall Instructs and Extended Spring Training. He even stole a few bases. It's one of the reasons he's compared favorably to Prince Fielder (though he's not as good an athlete as Prince).

 

Any chance he can end up playing LF? With Rizzo at 1B, that would seem like the only logical place for him, if he can make it to the majors down the road.

I like all the reports I've read about his bat, sounds like he has some serious potential.

 

Given that he's not quite as good an athlete as Prince Fielder (I can't envision Prince ever playing LF), I don't think Vogelbach can pull off anything besides 1B.

 

Thanks for the info guys. So many people talking about how good of a hitter he could be, would be nice to find a position for him. Who knows, maybe the NL will have adopted the DH by the time he's ready. :D

Or ,like El Duderino said, he could make a valuable trading piece.

 

that would be awesome.