Phillies could be sellers at deadline?

[SouthSideRyan]

Didn't consider the Phillies for Soriano, Amaro seems dumb enough to trade for him.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Didn't consider the Phillies for Soriano, Amaro seems dumb enough to trade for him.

 

Not a lot of people would have considered it because until recently, Dom Brown was clearly the LF of the future, and Mayberry Jr.seemed like he'd be able to keep his seat warm for the time being. Well Brown's been bad in AAA, Mayberry's been awful. Pierre and Nix have both been great so far, but I don't think that they're going to fool anyone into believing that they're full time answers. The Phils are clearly a win now team, and Soriano would be a good fit with his new found defensive skills.

[PriortoTheoIhadWood]

1) The defensive skills aren't new. The FO/coaches emphasizing it is.

 

2) They could also use his power if he can get hot.

 

They did make use of Ibanez in LF for WS runs...They're actually the team I'm most hopeful on when it comes to dumping Soriano.

[CyHawk_Cub]

Phils are only a few million $ from the luxury tax, right? Cubs would have to eat pretty much all of Sori/Marmol $, I'd assume (in a vacuum w/ Phils not dealing away anyone else that would reduce their payroll).

[jersey cubs fan]

Phils are only a few million $ from the luxury tax, right? Cubs would have to eat pretty much all of Sori/Marmol $, I'd assume (in a vacuum w/ Phils not dealing away anyone else that would reduce their payroll).

 

And we should all hope that is how the thing goes down, if it ever does. The Cubs do not need to be shedding payroll. If they do dump some guys, I'm hoping they go the route of picking up the check in exchange for getting more talent in return.

[PriortoTheoIhadWood]

Chris Iannetta injured for the Angels. Soto for Conger and arms as the Cubs pile up the still-a-prospect PCL superstars. BOOM I'm going to call Francesa and get the ball rolling.

 

Edit: Completely agreed with JCF. Cubs should be happy to pay the tab in exchange for better talent.

Edited May 11, 2012 by PriortoTheoIhadWood

[Little Slide Rooter]

Phils are only a few million $ from the luxury tax, right? Cubs would have to eat pretty much all of Sori/Marmol $, I'd assume (in a vacuum w/ Phils not dealing away anyone else that would reduce their payroll).

 

And we should all hope that is how the thing goes down, if it ever does. The Cubs do not need to be shedding payroll. If they do dump some guys, I'm hoping they go the route of picking up the check in exchange for getting more talent in return.

 

Right. Soriano and Marmol are owed well over 50 MM between them between now and the end of their tenures. Whether they're playing for the Cubs, Phillies, or sitting at home this is money that the Cubs will be on the hook for. If we could exchange them for say Brown, 1 or 2 of the Phils top 10-20, and maybe another high ceiling low level guy, I'd do it in a minute. Maybe even kick in Baker if they want him. their infield is horid from an offensive standpoint.

[CyHawk_Cub]

Phils are only a few million $ from the luxury tax, right? Cubs would have to eat pretty much all of Sori/Marmol $, I'd assume (in a vacuum w/ Phils not dealing away anyone else that would reduce their payroll).

 

And we should all hope that is how the thing goes down, if it ever does. The Cubs do not need to be shedding payroll. If they do dump some guys, I'm hoping they go the route of picking up the check in exchange for getting more talent in return.

 

Yeah, had to take a call & inadvertently submitted my post w/out finishing my thought... Agree that it is best if Cubs pick up the tab in a trade scenario like this to maximize the talent return.

[illiniguy]

Chris Iannetta injured for the Angels. Soto for Conger and arms as the Cubs pile up the still-a-prospect PCL superstars. BOOM I'm going to call Francesa and get the ball rolling.

 

Edit: Completely agreed with JCF. Cubs should be happy to pay the tab in exchange for better talent.

Supposedly the angels are shopping Bourjos, much better idea than just cutting Vernon Wells.

[Clem Fandango]

Chris Iannetta injured for the Angels. Soto for Conger and arms as the Cubs pile up the still-a-prospect PCL superstars. BOOM I'm going to call Francesa and get the ball rolling.

 

Edit: Completely agreed with JCF. Cubs should be happy to pay the tab in exchange for better talent.

Supposedly the angels are shopping Bourjos, much better idea than just cutting Vernon Wells.

 

Mmmmmmmm... an outfield of Bourjos, Jackson, and Upton next year would be a pitchers wet dream.

 

As for trading Soto to the Angels, I'd rather see if we can pry away someone like Walden since our bullpen is a [expletive] wreck. I'm not sure the difference between Conger and Castillo is enough to warrant putting a package together for Conger.

[TruffleShuffle]

Didn't consider the Phillies for Soriano, Amaro seems dumb enough to trade for him.

 

he gives out dumb contracts to free agents and some of his own guys, but there's really no track record of him taking on bad players with horrendous contracts.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Didn't consider the Phillies for Soriano, Amaro seems dumb enough to trade for him.

 

he gives out dumb contracts to free agents and some of his own guys, but there's really no track record of him taking on bad players with horrendous contracts.

 

But in this case the other team would be paying said contract.

[TruffleShuffle]

Didn't consider the Phillies for Soriano, Amaro seems dumb enough to trade for him.

 

he gives out dumb contracts to free agents and some of his own guys, but there's really no track record of him taking on bad players with horrendous contracts.

 

But in this case the other team would be paying said contract.

 

ok, there's no track record of him giving up prospects of value for bad players.

[davell]

Just like this year with Vlad and DLee and a few others, there's going to be a few leftovers hanging around for teams to choose from. Even if a team bit and took on Soriano, the key isn't the money, it's the extra years you'd have him. No one is goinng to give anything remotely valuable for him. I think our absolute best case scenario is finding a team willing to commit 6 to 9 mill total for him and just take him off our hands. And he'd have to be putting up solid numbers for that to even happen. My guess is we DFA him around the ASB next year personally.

[toonsterwu]

I'm not so sure it's clearcut that you go for talent in a Soriano deal. I might be inclined to agree with davell and that money saved might be more important. Now, if it's say, a minimal saving, that might not make a difference, then okay. But a lot depends on what the club chooses to do. Any talent we get for Soriano isn't likely to be a key factor anytime soon (if at all). If the club signs down Garza, that somewhat accelerates the timeline, and it'd be a shame to waste Garza/Samardzija's prime years without giving them some more support. A million or two may not be much overall, but it could perhaps help add a key pen arm. Granted, any savings on Soriano isn't going to be critical to any prime free agent pursuits, but it could help fill out the team.

[SouthSideRyan]

Didn't consider the Phillies for Soriano, Amaro seems dumb enough to trade for him.

 

he gives out dumb contracts to free agents and some of his own guys, but there's really no track record of him taking on bad players with horrendous contracts.

 

Not sure I understand the difference in handing out hilarious contracts to free agents vs taking on a hilarious contract in a trade.

[TruffleShuffle]

Didn't consider the Phillies for Soriano, Amaro seems dumb enough to trade for him.

 

he gives out dumb contracts to free agents and some of his own guys, but there's really no track record of him taking on bad players with horrendous contracts.

 

Not sure I understand the difference in handing out hilarious contracts to free agents vs taking on a hilarious contract in a trade.

 

the only really hilarious really big contract he handed out was ryan howard's. papelbon's is pretty silly, as was joe blanton, and there are some other ones like jose contreras that were dumb but hardly crippling. he's given out some oversized deals, but the difference is that howard was still a very good player when he received that contract extension.

 

he tends to overvalue his own guys (keeping around rather fungible players like blanton and contreras is a good example), but soriano is just a bad player and there's no reason for the phillies to try to "upgrade" left field by taking on a guy who's worse than what they have there now, along with his hilariously bad contract.