Dempster Traded to Texas for 3B Villanueva & RHP Hendricks

[Guest]

Anyone who thinks we're going to get anything significant from the Dodgers is dreaming.

 

If there is an upside to Eovaldi going in the Hanley deal, would it not be that the Dodger's presently need another starter (when is Lilly due back)? That offers the Cubs a little leverage, although not nearly as much as they once had.

 

The Dodgers are negotiating against themselves. The only offer they have to make is one more attractive to the Cubs than keeping a 36 year old pain in the ass and offering him arby after a career year.

 

They've already said they don't view him as anything more than a cheap rental before the last 48 hours. Every MLB front office exec now knows that Theo can't even seriously negotiate in good faith regarding Dempster. Why would they want to pick up the phone and get involved in this situation only just to have Dempster pull the rug out on a deal at the last moment? It's just a waste of time that diverts their attention away from acquiring other targets. We'll have to eat a Dodger [expletive] sandwich for Dempster, the only remaining question is mustard or mayo.

 

Did you make this joke in another post five minutes before and then edit it out?

[Tyrant]

If the Dodgers start playing hardball, then I would actually wouldn't mind the Cubs just walking away. Dempster has rights, well you know the Cubs have rights as well. If he doesn't want to help us, then the Cubs don't have to help him by sending him to his #1 destination.

 

This is his #1 destination. We should probably kill him just to be sure.

 

You hold on to Dempster because a draft pick or Dempster at 12.5M is a better deal we'd get in return for him.

 

Dempster at 12.5M next year has to be the worst case scenario. The team probably isn't going to be very good and he won't have as much value in a trade next summer. It'd just be a big, fat waste of an asset.

 

Why would he not have as much trade value?

 

Because his numbers almost certainly won't be as good as this year, and he'll be a year older.

[Little Slide Rooter]

If the Dodgers start playing hardball, then I would actually wouldn't mind the Cubs just walking away. Dempster has rights, well you know the Cubs have rights as well. If he doesn't want to help us, then the Cubs don't have to help him by sending him to his #1 destination.

 

This is his #1 destination. We should probably kill him just to be sure.

 

You hold on to Dempster because a draft pick or Dempster at 12.5M is a better deal we'd get in return for him.

 

Dempster at 12.5M next year has to be the worst case scenario. The team probably isn't going to be very good and he won't have as much value in a trade next summer. It'd just be a big, fat waste of an asset.

 

The worst case scenerio is Dempster for 12.5M and he blows his arm out in ST. Otherwise, it's a worst case scenerio I can live with. If we can get value for Garza and/or Maholm, great. If not, or even if we do we then do what the Astros are doing and deal DeJesus, Soto, Marmol, Johnson, and Baker for whatever we can get. If someone gives us something of value for Soriano, great. If our worst case scenerio rotation for 2013 is Garza/Dempster/Shark/Maholm/Wood, I can live with it. We don't have to be horrible next year. Unless you prefer Shark/Wood/Volstad/Raley/Coleman and wait another 3 years to be remotely competitive.

[HossmanGT]

Use the link below for a replay of Frank Wren's interview. The Dempster subject is touched on at the beginning and again towards the end of the interview. Sounds like the deal expired yesterday and the Braves are moving on.

 

http://www.680thefan.com/audiovault/rude_awakening.php

[davell]

Wait, so Dempster couldn't get us anything worthwhile this year?

[El Duderino]

what a lovely tea party

[jersey cubs fan]

Because his numbers almost certainly won't be as good as this year, and he'll be a year older.

 

his age is meaningless when you are talking about trading a 2-3 month rental player. But if his trade value isn't high enough to get you something good this year, then it's virtually impossible to have his value go down next year. His value is not only determined by his current performance (now or next year) but by who you can get to big highest. If he's only willing to go to one place, and you can only get one bidder, you aren't getting any value in either year.

 

The point is, if they don't offer something significant, don't do a trade. Bring him back. If you aren't willing to bring him back you have no leg to stand on in negotiations.

[MWV]

Wait, so Dempster couldn't get us anything worthwhile this year?

 

As of now, its more a case of "wouldn't".

[Elrhino]

The best case scenerio out of this is the Cubs just keep Dempster rather than take the Dodgers garbage, and there's enough bad blood between him and the front office out of this that he declines arby out of spiteful pride.

[Guest]

Yhere's the 24 hours before he can accept thing with 10/5 rights, hopefully our deal IS in place and th hat's why Braves moved on. Plus, dealing Eovaldi leaves them a guy short right now. Please announce this [expletive] before the game tonight.

 

This didn't get the attention it should have. Colletti is either playing russian roulette with his rotation or he has a deal in place for a SP(which may or may not be Dempster).

[TruffleShuffle]

Anyone who thinks we're going to get anything significant from the Dodgers is dreaming.

Then Thoyer needs to just walk away.

Truffle, do you see the irony here?

 

I normally don't see theo's posts, if you get my drift.

[Guest]

Yhere's the 24 hours before he can accept thing with 10/5 rights, hopefully our deal IS in place and th hat's why Braves moved on. Plus, dealing Eovaldi leaves them a guy short right now. Please announce this [expletive] before the game tonight.

 

This didn't get the attention it should have. Colletti is either playing russian roulette with his rotation or he has a deal in place for a SP(which may or may not be Dempster).

 

I still don't get the 24 hour thing. If Dempster wanted to approve a deal to LA, and a deal was agreed to yesterday, I don't see why it would take until said moratorium passed to get out, anyway.

[SouthSideRyan]

If the Dodgers start playing hardball, then I would actually wouldn't mind the Cubs just walking away. Dempster has rights, well you know the Cubs have rights as well. If he doesn't want to help us, then the Cubs don't have to help him by sending him to his #1 destination.

 

This is his #1 destination. We should probably kill him just to be sure.

 

You hold on to Dempster because a draft pick or Dempster at 12.5M is a better deal we'd get in return for him.

 

Dempster at 12.5M next year has to be the worst case scenario. The team probably isn't going to be very good and he won't have as much value in a trade next summer. It'd just be a big, fat waste of an asset.

 

And they're also projected to have a 40M payroll with Rick Porcello and 2 28 year old Orioles prospects in the rotation.

[Banedon]

Yhere's the 24 hours before he can accept thing with 10/5 rights, hopefully our deal IS in place and th hat's why Braves moved on. Plus, dealing Eovaldi leaves them a guy short right now. Please announce this [expletive] before the game tonight.

 

This didn't get the attention it should have. Colletti is either playing russian roulette with his rotation or he has a deal in place for a SP(which may or may not be Dempster).

 

I still don't get the 24 hour thing. If Dempster wanted to approve a deal to LA, and a deal was agreed to yesterday, I don't see why it would take until said moratorium passed to get out, anyway.

 

Yeah I've never heard of that 24 hour thing before this.

 

I actually think the reason that Dempster is mad is because he's wanted to decline this the whole time. I think he wanted to do it quietly though, because obviously now he comes off as a big jerk. Hell this deal could've been around for a while, and was leaked by ATL to try to put some pressure on Demp.

[Theo]

From ABTY @PSD

Braves offer still on the table...

[jersey cubs fan]

Yhere's the 24 hours before he can accept thing with 10/5 rights, hopefully our deal IS in place and th hat's why Braves moved on. Plus, dealing Eovaldi leaves them a guy short right now. Please announce this [expletive] before the game tonight.

 

This didn't get the attention it should have. Colletti is either playing russian roulette with his rotation or he has a deal in place for a SP(which may or may not be Dempster).

 

I still don't get the 24 hour thing. If Dempster wanted to approve a deal to LA, and a deal was agreed to yesterday, I don't see why it would take until said moratorium passed to get out, anyway.

 

I think he gets 24 hours, but he doesn't necessarily have to take all 24 hours to tell the team he accepts. It just wouldn't be official until 24 hours, but by then the story would be out and everybody would know.

[Guest]

Yhere's the 24 hours before he can accept thing with 10/5 rights, hopefully our deal IS in place and th hat's why Braves moved on. Plus, dealing Eovaldi leaves them a guy short right now. Please announce this [expletive] before the game tonight.

 

This didn't get the attention it should have. Colletti is either playing russian roulette with his rotation or he has a deal in place for a SP(which may or may not be Dempster).

 

I still don't get the 24 hour thing. If Dempster wanted to approve a deal to LA, and a deal was agreed to yesterday, I don't see why it would take until said moratorium passed to get out, anyway.

 

Yeah I've never heard of that 24 hour thing before this.

 

I actually think the reason that Dempster is mad is because he's wanted to decline this the whole time. I think he wanted to do it quietly though, because obviously now he comes off as a big jerk. Hell this deal could've been around for a while, and was leaked by ATL to try to put some pressure on Demp.

 

I also don't understand why we would've worked out a deal with Atlanta if we knew Dempster wasn't open to it. You'd think there'd be more of an open dialogue between he and the front office than that.

Edited July 25, 2012 by David

[davell]

Goldstein mentioned it either yesterday morning or the previous night. I had never heard of it either. He said the Ichiro deal must have been agreed to the previous day since he was playing that day too, or something like that.

[El Duderino]

Goldstein mentioned it either yesterday morning or the previous night. I had never heard of it either. He said the Ichiro deal must have been agreed to the previous day since he was playing that day too, or something like that.

 

I thought Ichiro waived his 10/5 rights when he requested a trade.

[Soul]

In the Trib there's an article where Demp says he will take his decision right up to the deadline.

 

Wouldn't a potential trade partner need to know before then, so they can switch to plan B if needed?

[SouthSideRyan]

Yhere's the 24 hours before he can accept thing with 10/5 rights, hopefully our deal IS in place and th hat's why Braves moved on. Plus, dealing Eovaldi leaves them a guy short right now. Please announce this [expletive] before the game tonight.

 

This didn't get the attention it should have. Colletti is either playing russian roulette with his rotation or he has a deal in place for a SP(which may or may not be Dempster).

 

I still don't get the 24 hour thing. If Dempster wanted to approve a deal to LA, and a deal was agreed to yesterday, I don't see why it would take until said moratorium passed to get out, anyway.

 

It's to prevent a team from rushing a veteran through the process and having to make a snap decision

[SouthSideRyan]

Goldstein mentioned it either yesterday morning or the previous night. I had never heard of it either. He said the Ichiro deal must have been agreed to the previous day since he was playing that day too, or something like that.

 

Ichiro requested the trade.

[bcl412]

The idea of not trading him just to trade him is awesome to me.

 

"Not going to give us good prospects now because he exercised his no trade clause? [expletive] you then, we'll just keep him."

[MWV]

Per Rotoworld:

 

Buster Olney of ESPN.com reports that the Dodgers are "increasingly confident" they'll be able to acquire Ryan Dempster from the Cubs.

 

It may be the only option for the Cubs, as Dempster has made it clear that he would prefer to pitch in Los Angeles rather than Atlanta. Braves general manager Frank Wren said during a radio appearance on Wednesday morning that the team has already "moved on" from a possible deal that would have sent right-hander Randall Delgado to Chicago.

 

Perhaps Demp's refusal to go to ATL emboldened Colletti to part with Eovaldi.

[Theo]

The idea of not trading him just to trade him is awesome to me.

 

"Not going to give us good prospects now because he exercised his no trade clause? [expletive] you then, we'll just keep him."

 

That's not it all all. Look back at the Ted Lilly trade, what was the point of adding worthless guys like Dewitt to the roster? None. You keep him for these reasons:

 

1) A possible comp pick(if he doesn't accept arb)

2) A good pitcher @ 12 million dollars next year.(if he does)

3) A leg to stand on in negotiations

 

It's not the best case scenario, but it's better than giving him away.