Dempster Traded to Texas for 3B Villanueva & RHP Hendricks

[davell]

I really hope as soon as the draft is over, we're on the phones getting Demp moved. His value has to be as high as it can get right about now.

[davell]

Marlin, at PSD, says the Dodgers are really in on Demp and he hears the Yanks like him too. Says Demp could be dealt sooner than later. How about making it one stop shopping for the Dodgers? A desperate Ned? I'd love to send them Demp and LaHair, if we could get Lee or Eovaldi, one of Webster, Reed or Gould, Sands, and one of Martin or Withrow for them.

[Guest]

Marlin, at PSD, says the Dodgers are really in on Demp and he hears the Yanks like him too. Says Demp could be dealt sooner than later. How about making it one stop shopping for the Dodgers? A desperate Ned? I'd love to send them Demp and LaHair, if we could get Lee or Eovaldi, one of Webster, Reed or Gould, Sands, and one of Martin or Withrow for them.

 

Lee seems like such a pipe dream in a Dempster trade but Colletti does seem to overpay with nice prospects (Casey Blake for Carlos Santana, George Sherrill for Josh Bell when Bell was a top-50 prospect). I still think LaHair is more valuable staying on the Cubs than he is perceived by other teams in a trade.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Marlin, at PSD, says the Dodgers are really in on Demp and he hears the Yanks like him too. Says Demp could be dealt sooner than later. How about making it one stop shopping for the Dodgers? A desperate Ned? I'd love to send them Demp and LaHair, if we could get Lee or Eovaldi, one of Webster, Reed or Gould, Sands, and one of Martin or Withrow for them.

 

Lee seems like such a pipe dream in a Dempster trade but Colletti does seem to overpay with nice prospects (Casey Blake for Carlos Santana, George Sherrill for Josh Bell when Bell was a top-50 prospect). I still think LaHair is more valuable staying on the Cubs than he is perceived by other teams in a trade.

 

LaHairs perceived value could be on the rise. While he isn't as ridiculous as he started out, he's looking like he could have some sustainable success. However, I wonder if theres any chance we could work Soriano in there. We could really clean up with Colletti on the other end if we sent them Demp and Soriano, and ate 95-98% of both salaries.

[davell]

I really don't see an NL team taking a chance on him. I'll predict he winds up in either Baltimore or Cleveland.

[Benchwarmer]

I'll throw the White Sox into the mix. Humber is struggling, Peavy is up and down and Danks is coming back from the DL. Chris Sale has been strong, but I believe he's on an innings count and they could shut him down in September. Dempster would be their #2-3 automatically. Don't know their minor league system but we should be able to get 2 good ones back.

[C.C.]

Isn't their minor league system pretty damn barren?

[Benchwarmer]

Isn't their minor league system pretty damn barren?

 

Admittedly it's not much better than ours. Maybe Hawk is still the GM and he was terrible.

[Guest]

Isn't their minor league system pretty damn barren?

 

Admittedly it's not much better than ours. Maybe Hawk is still the GM and he was terrible.

???

 

White Sox are generally ranked dead last in minor league talent. Cubs are generally middle of the pack.

 

Not sure if thisis subscriber only or not, but backs up what I'm saying.

 

Relevant section:

 

30. CHICAGO WHITE SOX

 

2011 RANK: 27. 2010 RANK: 23.

 

IMPACT TALENT: When the guy who is clearly your organization's best prospect is a reliever, you have problems. RHP Addison Reed might develop into a closer, but the White Sox can't count on much behind him.

 

DEPTH: Chicago's next-best prospects, RHPs Nestor Molina and Simon Castro, were in the middle of the pack on our Blue Jays and Padres Top 30 rankings before arriving in offseason trades. The Sox are feeling the effects of being the cheapest team in the draft ($18.3 million from 2007-11) and having their international program crippled by a kickback scandal.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Isn't their minor league system pretty damn barren?

 

Admittedly it's not much better than ours. Maybe Hawk is still the GM and he was terrible.

???

 

White Sox are generally ranked dead last in minor league talent. Cubs are generally middle of the pack.

 

Not sure if thisis subscriber only or not, but backs up what I'm saying.

 

A few months ago there was an article discussing the future of each MLB team, and where they'd be in the next 5 years, Sox and Astros were at the bottom with the Cubs somewhere in the middle. Since then, the Astros future has been looking brighter, and while the White Sox present has been looking better than expected, it could be said that it makes their future dimmer as they're less likely to trade guys like Peavy, Konerko, and Pierzynski who could have brought back significant returns, and making them less likely to trade what prospects they do have for more veterans and rentals.

[Guest]

Isn't their minor league system pretty damn barren?

 

Admittedly it's not much better than ours. Maybe Hawk is still the GM and he was terrible.

 

lol

[davell]

The White Sox system is pathetic. They don't have enough to trade for Dempster.

[Guest]

Tim is right, the White Sox still have the worst farm system I baseball.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Going into this season, per sickels analysis they had 2 prospects with a grade higher than C, one being Reed who's up now and the other Nestor Molina who's struggled somewhat so far this season, though he has a history of consistantly striking out a lot more guys than he walks.

[jersey cubs fan]

Uggh, Dempster's next start is going to be against Boston coming off an overextend outing yesterday. I really hope he doesn't blow out his value with a stinker ala Santana's post no-hit game.

[Clem Fandango]

Maybe they'll trade us Tank! THERE'S NO ONE STRONGER THAN TANK!

[davell]

Uggh, Dempster's next start is going to be against Boston coming off an overextend outing yesterday. I really hope he doesn't blow out his value with a stinker ala Santana's post no-hit game.

It's rolling the dice basically. If he pitches well, I guess it's possible teams in the AL East take note and begin to think he may be OK in that division. I want him dealt between now and even then personally. Injury risk each time out, plus he's due to come back down to earth. Not to mention, if you deal him now, I guess the more starts he can make for his new team enhances his value a bit as well.

[Guest]

I feel like Bleacher Nation is jumping the shark when stuff like this is being called "interesting"

 

Luke poses an interesting trade question over at the Message Board – how much would it take to get Starlin Castro, Matt Garza, Ryan Dempster, and a full-paid-for Alfonso Soriano?

 

http://www.bleachernation.com/forum/index.php?/topic/1000-crazy-trades/

 

 

Not crazy about the minor league guy Brett added.

[mul21]

 

Not crazy about the minor league guy Brett added.

 

Agreed. His writing style is very........choppy I guess is the best word.

[Guest]

 

Not crazy about the minor league guy Brett added.

 

Agreed. His writing style is very........choppy I guess is the best word.

 

That and the fact that I just don't find his analysis/insight to be very good.

[Tyrant]

I feel like Bleacher Nation is jumping the shark when stuff like this is being called "interesting"

 

Luke poses an interesting trade question over at the Message Board – how much would it take to get Starlin Castro, Matt Garza, Ryan Dempster, and a full-paid-for Alfonso Soriano?

 

http://www.bleachernation.com/forum/index.php?/topic/1000-crazy-trades/

 

 

Not crazy about the minor league guy Brett added.

 

That question is definitely not interesting.

[Banedon]

I feel like Bleacher Nation is jumping the shark when stuff like this is being called "interesting"

 

Luke poses an interesting trade question over at the Message Board – how much would it take to get Starlin Castro, Matt Garza, Ryan Dempster, and a full-paid-for Alfonso Soriano?

 

http://www.bleachernation.com/forum/index.php?/topic/1000-crazy-trades/

 

 

Not crazy about the minor league guy Brett added.

 

That question is definitely not interesting.

 

It was interesting enough to spawn another message board to start posting about it. ;)

[javy knows my name]

I feel like Bleacher Nation is jumping the shark when stuff like this is being called "interesting"

 

Luke poses an interesting trade question over at the Message Board – how much would it take to get Starlin Castro, Matt Garza, Ryan Dempster, and a full-paid-for Alfonso Soriano?

 

http://www.bleachernation.com/forum/index.php?/topic/1000-crazy-trades/

 

 

Not crazy about the minor league guy Brett added.

 

That question is definitely not interesting.

 

He's pandering to the unwashed masses with that one. "OMG! Someone wrote something on my message board!"

 

Glad that doesn't happen here.

[Guest]

I feel like Bleacher Nation is jumping the shark when stuff like this is being called "interesting"

 

Luke poses an interesting trade question over at the Message Board – how much would it take to get Starlin Castro, Matt Garza, Ryan Dempster, and a full-paid-for Alfonso Soriano?

 

http://www.bleachernation.com/forum/index.php?/topic/1000-crazy-trades/

 

 

Not crazy about the minor league guy Brett added.

 

That question is definitely not interesting.

 

He's pandering to the unwashed masses with that one. "OMG! Someone wrote something on my message board!"

 

Glad that doesn't happen here.

 

True, but he even went so far as to say

 

This thought experiment is absolutely awesome.

 

 

And no disrespect at all intended to Brett, because I'm still a fan of the site, but there is nothing remotely absolutely awesome about that.

 

 

What's worse (and absolutely insane) is there are posters in that thread who think wanting more than the Blue Jays top 8 prospects for those guys is crazy.

 

http://www.bleachernation.com/forum/index.php?/topic/1000-crazy-trades/page__view__findpost__p__24658

 

And that's WITH a 100% paid for Soriano. Not even having them take on the salary. LOL!

[Brett]

I feel like Bleacher Nation is jumping the shark when stuff like this is being called "interesting"

 

Luke poses an interesting trade question over at the Message Board – how much would it take to get Starlin Castro, Matt Garza, Ryan Dempster, and a full-paid-for Alfonso Soriano?

 

http://www.bleachernation.com/forum/index.php?/topic/1000-crazy-trades/

 

 

Not crazy about the minor league guy Brett added.

 

That question is definitely not interesting.

 

He's pandering to the unwashed masses with that one. "OMG! Someone wrote something on my message board!"

 

Glad that doesn't happen here.

 

True, but he even went so far as to say

 

This thought experiment is absolutely awesome.

 

 

And no disrespect at all intended to Brett, because I'm still a fan of the site, but there is nothing remotely absolutely awesome about that.

 

Different strokes for different folks, and all that. I actually appreciate the feedback (especially since it's here, where folks definitely speak freely - can't always find that). But a few thoughts in my defense, because I think you're being a little unfair when you consider the context:

 

1.) It was one itty bitty Bullet out of a bunch in a post and out of, I don't know, like 60 or 70 in a given week - it's not like I blasted it from the rooftops or filmed myself water skiing;

2.) I'm really into those kind of "thought experiments" - it wasn't a zany trade proposal, it was a question about how we value players and prospects; and

3.) To call it pandering is a bit far given that, as you noted, I clearly genuinely did think the post was really interesting, as I commented in that thread.