Pineda for Montero?

[Derwood]

Trade being held up over visa issues (Montero)

[TruffleShuffle]

Trade being held up over visa issues (Montero)

 

turns out that montero's real name is fausto carmona and he's 28 years old.

[Old Style]

Why don't they just use mastercard?

[biittner77]

Why don't they just use mastercard?

 

The Sam's Club here takes Mastercard but doesn't take Visa. That seems weird to me.

[Old Style]

Why don't they just use mastercard?

 

The Sam's Club here takes Mastercard but doesn't take Visa. That seems weird to me.

I think that's everywhere.

[Clem Fandango]

Trade being held up over visa issues (Montero)

 

turns out that montero's real name is fausto carmona and he's 28 years old.

 

I LOL'd pretty hard.

[Clem Fandango]

Winners: Seattle.

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/04/michael-pineda-to-undergo-labrum-operation.html

[illiniguy]

So did Seattle gamble right or did they know?

[Guest]

So did Seattle gamble right or did they know?

 

Cashman says he was totally fine when the trade happened and this happened in ST.

 

Of course, it's obviously in his best interests to say that.

[PriortoTheoIhadWood]

Why don't they just use mastercard?

 

Kinda pissed I missed this gem. All it needs is a...well I can't type it out.

 

Anyway, that shoulder surgery sucks for Pineda and the Yankees but keep in mind that the injury is less of a career killer than it would be a decade ago and especially 20 years ago.

 

I say Banuelos for Dempster!

[PriortoTheoIhadWood]

So did Seattle gamble right or did they know?

 

 

IIRC he's had injuries before and I know some people didn't love his mechanics.

 

Time for some stem cells...

[Have a seat, Neifi]

So did Seattle gamble right or did they know?

 

 

IIRC he's had injuries before and I know some people didn't love his mechanics.

 

Time for some stem cells...

I recall reading on MLB Trade Rumors or Hardball Talk or one of those sites that the Yankees and Ms supposedly first discussed King Felix, and that the Ms wanted all 3 of Montero, Betances, and Banuelos. Obviously the Yankees balked at that and explored Pineda instead.

 

I bring this up because if true, the difference between the 2 offer packages would give me pause as a Yankees exec. Felix is better than Pineda, but is also older and far more expensive. So while he should cost more to acquire via trade, wouldn't you have been struck at how much more the Mariners wanted for him than for Pineda?

[Clem Fandango]

So did Seattle gamble right or did they know?

 

 

IIRC he's had injuries before and I know some people didn't love his mechanics.

 

Time for some stem cells...

I recall reading on MLB Trade Rumors or Hardball Talk or one of those sites that the Yankees and Ms supposedly first discussed King Felix, and that the Ms wanted all 3 of Montero, Betances, and Banuelos. Obviously the Yankees balked at that and explored Pineda instead.

 

I bring this up because if true, the difference between the 2 offer packages would give me pause as a Yankees exec. Felix is better than Pineda, but is also older and far more expensive. So while he should cost more to acquire via trade, wouldn't you have been struck at how much more the Mariners wanted for him than for Pineda?

 

To a degree, but you're also trading away three unknown commodities for one of the rarest commodities in the game, a legit #1 ace who already has 7 years of experience under his belt and hasn't reached the age of 27 yet. The Yankees would've extended him immediately, the cost wouldn't have been an issue.

 

Betances has already had injuries slow down his career and is already 24, Banuelos is still just 21 years old and struggled at the AAA level last year (and so far this year) so he may need another season or two of work down there, and Montero was a catcher who couldn't catch so he's really only relegated to DH duties.

 

I'd trade all that in a heartbeat for a guy who has averaged 240.2 IP, 2.73 ERA, 223K's, 1.13 WHIP, and a 152 ERA+ the last 3 years... and he's just now entering his prime.

 

Yeah, I'd do that and not think twice about it

[javy knows my name]

So did Seattle gamble right or did they know?

 

 

IIRC he's had injuries before and I know some people didn't love his mechanics.

 

Time for some stem cells...

I recall reading on MLB Trade Rumors or Hardball Talk or one of those sites that the Yankees and Ms supposedly first discussed King Felix, and that the Ms wanted all 3 of Montero, Betances, and Banuelos. Obviously the Yankees balked at that and explored Pineda instead.

 

I bring this up because if true, the difference between the 2 offer packages would give me pause as a Yankees exec. Felix is better than Pineda, but is also older and far more expensive. So while he should cost more to acquire via trade, wouldn't you have been struck at how much more the Mariners wanted for him than for Pineda?

 

To a degree, but you're also trading away three unknown commodities for one of the rarest commodities in the game, a legit #1 ace who already has 7 years of experience under his belt and hasn't reached the age of 27 yet. The Yankees would've extended him immediately, the cost wouldn't have been an issue.

 

Betances has already had injuries slow down his career and is already 24, Banuelos is still just 21 years old and struggled at the AAA level last year (and so far this year) so he may need another season or two of work down there, and Montero was a catcher who couldn't catch so he's really only relegated to DH duties.

 

I'd trade all that in a heartbeat for a guy who has averaged 240.2 IP, 2.73 ERA, 223K's, 1.13 WHIP, and a 152 ERA+ the last 3 years... and he's just now entering his prime.

 

Yeah, I'd do that and not think twice about it

 

Yeah, it's hard to believe the Yankees balked so hard at that. If Pineda is worth Montero, then Felix is certainly worth those three. Especially if you're the Yankees and cost isn't a factor.

[KingCubsFan]

So did Seattle gamble right or did they know?

 

 

IIRC he's had injuries before and I know some people didn't love his mechanics.

 

Time for some stem cells...

I recall reading on MLB Trade Rumors or Hardball Talk or one of those sites that the Yankees and Ms supposedly first discussed King Felix, and that the Ms wanted all 3 of Montero, Betances, and Banuelos. Obviously the Yankees balked at that and explored Pineda instead.

 

I bring this up because if true, the difference between the 2 offer packages would give me pause as a Yankees exec. Felix is better than Pineda, but is also older and far more expensive. So while he should cost more to acquire via trade, wouldn't you have been struck at how much more the Mariners wanted for him than for Pineda?

 

To a degree, but you're also trading away three unknown commodities for one of the rarest commodities in the game, a legit #1 ace who already has 7 years of experience under his belt and hasn't reached the age of 27 yet. The Yankees would've extended him immediately, the cost wouldn't have been an issue.

 

Betances has already had injuries slow down his career and is already 24, Banuelos is still just 21 years old and struggled at the AAA level last year (and so far this year) so he may need another season or two of work down there, and Montero was a catcher who couldn't catch so he's really only relegated to DH duties.

 

I'd trade all that in a heartbeat for a guy who has averaged 240.2 IP, 2.73 ERA, 223K's, 1.13 WHIP, and a 152 ERA+ the last 3 years... and he's just now entering his prime.

 

Yeah, I'd do that and not think twice about it

 

Yeah, it's hard to believe the Yankees balked so hard at that. If Pineda is worth Montero, then Felix is certainly worth those three. Especially if you're the Yankees and cost isn't a factor.

The Yankees also got back a pretty good prospect.

[PriortoTheoIhadWood]

What one franchise calls 7 years experience another may call 7 years wear and tear. What's Felix experienced anyway? A great pitching home park, a couple of high end Ds, and a whole lot of losing?

 

Not that Hernandez isn't dirty, just that there's far more to consider than that (like the Yankees urge to pay two guys ace money).

[davearm2]

Not that Hernandez isn't dirty, just that there's far more to consider than that (like the Yankees urge to pay two guys ace money).

I can't imagine the Yanks would hesitate for a moment to shell out ace money for as many ace guys as they could acquire reasonably.

 

I bet they'd be thrilled to have last year's Phillies rotation, for example.

[PriortoTheoIhadWood]

Not that Hernandez isn't dirty, just that there's far more to consider than that (like the Yankees urge to pay two guys ace money).

I can't imagine the Yanks would hesitate for a moment to shell out ace money for as many ace guys as they could acquire reasonably.

 

I bet they'd be thrilled to have last year's Phillies rotation, for example.

 

I bet they'd love to have Lee at his contract price or Hamels at his current price...Hernandez is reasonably priced for another couple of years and then he's easily topping any of the Philly 3's contract. I don't even think Halladay's overwhelmingly paid either...

 

That's not even factoring in wear and tear, a mysterious drop in velocity (I'll find the article), the Yankees would be giving up 2 of the best prospects in baseball, he'd be a FA in two years...There's a whole mess with that for a franchise looking to shorten their long term payroll....and I didn't even bring up that CC and Lee originally came from a franchise that at least saw SOME success after 2001.

 

So sure, price a rotation with 3 aces sensibly like Philly did and the Yankees would jump all over it. That doesn't seem like its really the case with that Hernadez rumor that doesn't matter anymore.

[Guest]

Not that Hernandez isn't dirty, just that there's far more to consider than that (like the Yankees urge to pay two guys ace money).

I can't imagine the Yanks would hesitate for a moment to shell out ace money for as many ace guys as they could acquire reasonably.

 

I bet they'd be thrilled to have last year's Phillies rotation, for example.

 

I bet they'd love to have Lee at his contract price or Hamels at his current price...Hernandez is reasonably priced for another couple of years and then he's easily topping any of the Philly 3's contract. I don't even think Halladay's overwhelmingly paid either...

 

That's not even factoring in wear and tear, a mysterious drop in velocity (I'll find the article), the Yankees would be giving up 2 of the best prospects in baseball, he'd be a FA in two years...There's a whole mess with that for a franchise looking to shorten their long term payroll....and I didn't even bring up that CC and Lee originally came from a franchise that at least saw SOME success after 2001.

 

So sure, price a rotation with 3 aces sensibly like Philly did and the Yankees would jump all over it. That doesn't seem like its really the case with that Hernadez rumor that doesn't matter anymore.

 

How much do you expect Hernandez to get paid? Lee's making $25M each of the next three years, his annual value ($24M) is the second highest for a pitcher's contract. So for Hernandez to easily top that, he'd have to get around $30M per year.

[PriortoTheoIhadWood]

Not that Hernandez isn't dirty, just that there's far more to consider than that (like the Yankees urge to pay two guys ace money).

I can't imagine the Yanks would hesitate for a moment to shell out ace money for as many ace guys as they could acquire reasonably.

 

I bet they'd be thrilled to have last year's Phillies rotation, for example.

 

I bet they'd love to have Lee at his contract price or Hamels at his current price...Hernandez is reasonably priced for another couple of years and then he's easily topping any of the Philly 3's contract. I don't even think Halladay's overwhelmingly paid either...

 

That's not even factoring in wear and tear, a mysterious drop in velocity (I'll find the article), the Yankees would be giving up 2 of the best prospects in baseball, he'd be a FA in two years...There's a whole mess with that for a franchise looking to shorten their long term payroll....and I didn't even bring up that CC and Lee originally came from a franchise that at least saw SOME success after 2001.

 

So sure, price a rotation with 3 aces sensibly like Philly did and the Yankees would jump all over it. That doesn't seem like its really the case with that Hernadez rumor that doesn't matter anymore.

 

How much do you expect Hernandez to get paid? Lee's making $25M each of the next three years, his annual value ($24M) is the second highest for a pitcher's contract. So for Hernandez to easily top that, he'd have to get around $30M per year.

 

Lee's contract was widely considered a steal due to the years... Felix will almost assuredly get more years. If he gets 5 years then he just might get that 30 million you mention.