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seanimal South Bend Cubs

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is the cap hold calculated at the annual average value of the contract or the actual amount the player is making in that particular year?

 

furthermore, does the nba cap fluctuate the way that it does in the NHL?

 

for instance, rose's contract is the max - 30% of cap but with BRI the actual total value of a contract can vary upwards or downwards depending on league revenues right?

 

i'm kind of a dummy with nba contracts and wikipedia wasn't very helpful

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is the cap hold calculated at the annual average value of the contract or the actual amount the player is making in that particular year?

 

furthermore, does the nba cap fluctuate the way that it does in the NHL?

 

for instance, rose's contract is the max - 30% of cap but with BRI the actual total value of a contract can vary upwards or downwards depending on league revenues right?

 

i'm kind of a dummy with nba contracts and wikipedia wasn't very helpful

 

I believe under the previous agreement, cap holds were I think 150% of the player's previous salary and could go up to 300% depending on several factors. I'm pretty sure they reduced this with the new agreement but googling didn't help me find out for sure.

 

Also, the NBA cap does in fact fluctuate each year. Not sure about the 3rd question.

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is the cap hold calculated at the annual average value of the contract or the actual amount the player is making in that particular year?

 

furthermore, does the nba cap fluctuate the way that it does in the NHL?

 

for instance, rose's contract is the max - 30% of cap but with BRI the actual total value of a contract can vary upwards or downwards depending on league revenues right?

 

i'm kind of a dummy with nba contracts and wikipedia wasn't very helpful

 

I think you said cap hold, but are you meaning how much a player counts against the cap? Those are different concepts in the NBA. How much a player counts against the cap in the NBA is the actual amount the player is making that year, not the average.

 

A cap hold is something the NBA uses to make sure teams don't abuse the right to sign their own free agents. They assign certain values to each potential free agent, and when you sign a free agent, you have to have enough space under the cap after accounting for those cap holds. The only way to get rid of the cap hold is to renounce the player, which means you don't have the ability to sign them while over the cap any longer.

 

The NBA cap does fluctuate and is set at the beginning of each year.

 

Rose's contract is set at a certain value regardless of league revenues. The cap will go up and down based on revenues, but Rose will get the 30% number calculated based on the cap when he signed the extension. So 5 years, about 94 million in this case. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong here.

 

Hope that helps!

seanimal South Bend Cubs

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hmm, according to this article:

 

Basketball Related Income (BRI) includes most income generated by the NBA outside of expansion-team money, fines, and revenue sharing.1 Another important element excluded from BRI is operating expenses. As Raja Bell explained in an interview with the Dan LeBatard Show with Stugotz, this includes arena rental. So what do some owners do? They have one company that owns the arena, and then have that company rent the arena to the basketball franchise, essentially paying themselves and deducting that expense from BRI.

 

After all those calculations are completed, the players receive a percentage of that income. How does the NBA prevent overages and underages (the players getting too much or too little money)? A certain percentage (last year 8 percent) is withheld from every player's paycheck and placed in an escrow account. When the BRI is calculated at the end of the year, if it is determined that the players received less than they were supposed to, money is paid out to the players. If it is determined that the players were paid more than their percentage, the owners keep the escrow money, and if that is still not enough, then additional money is taken out of the players' paychecks for the following year.

 

so it is possible for a player to ostensibly earn 30% of cap, because of the percentage that is withheld, a player could actually miss out on close to 10% of their projected earnings.

 

http://natashapickowicz.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/The_More_You_Know.jpg

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i can't seem to find a good cot's-style site for nba contracts that's updated and comprehensive

 

i'm curious how drose's contract schedules out.

 

This one is the closest I've seen with D-Rose's contract included.

 

http://www.hoopsworld.com/chicago-bulls-team-salary

 

Based on that you are - at a minimum - looking at Noah and one of Korver and Brewe, plus a 1st round pick or two (for Howard).

 

Most trade proposals I've seen involve Deng, Noah and Gibson, the rights to Nikola Mirotic and a first round pick (the one we apparently have from the Bobcats or something?).

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I think you said cap hold, but are you meaning how much a player counts against the cap? Those are different concepts in the NBA. How much a player counts against the cap in the NBA is the actual amount the player is making that year, not the average.

 

And then there's poison pill provisions for guys who just got extended, where their salary cap number in a trade is the average of their extension compared to true cap number being their current contract.

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Unless he signs an extension, you can't make that trade.

 

Well of course. If he's not signing an extension, there's not much point in trading for him.

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i can't seem to find a good cot's-style site for nba contracts that's updated and comprehensive

 

i'm curious how drose's contract schedules out.

 

This one is the closest I've seen with D-Rose's contract included.

 

http://www.hoopsworld.com/chicago-bulls-team-salary

 

Based on that you are - at a minimum - looking at Noah and one of Korver and Brewe, plus a 1st round pick or two (for Howard).

 

Most trade proposals I've seen involve Deng, Noah and Gibson, the rights to Nikola Mirotic and a first round pick (the one we apparently have from the Bobcats or something?).

 

there's pretty much no way this deal happens without howard extending. the bulls will be gutted if orlando insists on turkoglu being included on any deal, and at that point the bulls won't be good enough to compete for a championship this year. i'm actually kind of not wanting howard a little bit.

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i can't seem to find a good cot's-style site for nba contracts that's updated and comprehensive

 

i'm curious how drose's contract schedules out.

 

This one is the closest I've seen with D-Rose's contract included.

 

http://www.hoopsworld.com/chicago-bulls-team-salary

 

Based on that you are - at a minimum - looking at Noah and one of Korver and Brewe, plus a 1st round pick or two (for Howard).

 

Most trade proposals I've seen involve Deng, Noah and Gibson, the rights to Nikola Mirotic and a first round pick (the one we apparently have from the Bobcats or something?).

 

there's pretty much no way this deal happens without howard extending. the bulls will be gutted if orlando insists on turkoglu being included on any deal, and at that point the bulls won't be good enough to compete for a championship this year. i'm actually kind of not wanting howard a little bit.

 

Rose/Rip/Brewer/Boozer/Howard with Watson, Korver, Asik, and Butler off the bench can win a title this year...then throw in JR Smith.

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There's an Insider article on ESPN that proposes a few Howard to the Bulls deals (proposed by Bradford Doolittle of Basketball Prospectus). One of them is a massive one, but what he said caught my eye. Thought it was worth discussing its potential merits.

 

Howard, Hedo Turkoglu and Ryan Anderson for Joakim Noah, Taj Gibson, Luol Deng and Jimmy Butler, plus picks and cash

 

Our post-lockout projections set the Bulls' 82-game baseline at 58.7 wins. If this version of the trade had taken place before the season, the baseline would have been revised upward to 65.8 wins, up 7.1 games. That's enough to vault the Bulls over Miami and puts them in the Air Jordan class of Bulls squads. Orlando has chronically undervalued Anderson, but his play this season may have finally cast aside any reservations they may have had about him. His inclusion could be the deal-breaker.

 

The revamped Bulls would move from fifth to third in projected Offensive Rating and remain first in projected Defensive Rating. Actually, that is a factor to consider for Chicago. Howard may be the game's best defender, but it's the Bulls that feature the game's best team defense -- with or without him. In each proposed trade in this piece, Chicago remains at No. 1 in projected team defense.

 

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7527886/three-dwight-howard-chicago-bulls-trades-work-nba

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Saw a tweet that said Joel Pryzbilla's agent said he will choose between Miami and Chicago in the coming days.

 

Like they are saying on RealGM, I see no reason why he would choose the Bulls over the Heat. In Chicago he'd be the 5th big man and get very little playing time unless there is an injury. In Miami, with a good showing he could start and play a big role in his championship run. Both teams are unlikely to offer (or can't offer) more than the minimum so its likely about who has the best chance of winning a title and who can offer the best role for him.

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