Known Liar&Cheater Ryan Braun Caught Lying&Cheating Again

[Guest]

Because if Victor Conte says it, it HAS to be true!

 

Your defense of Braun has hinged on 2 things: 1) MLB turning down Braun's offer to take a DNA test and 2) the possibility the guy who collected the urine sample screwed up, possibly intentionally. We already know #1 is false nd even Braun's defense didn't try to question the validity of the urine sample while appealing, yet you are. You are suggesting the sample was either intentionally tampereded or saying the sample changed while in a fridge. I'd trust Victor Conte's scientific knowledge disspelling that.

[chuckywang]

Here's something on my mind that I don't think anybody has talked about yet: Even if the collector dropped the sample off late Saturday night at Fedex, it probably would not have been actually shipped until Monday. It all depends on the timing of the Fedex truck that picks up packages at that specific Fedex location. Perhaps the collector knew that he was too late for the Saturday pickup and thought the sample was better off sitting in his fridge than in some Fedex location for 2 days? That sounds pretty reasonable to me.

Obviously the issue here is the chain of custody -- who was in possession of the sample when.

 

The arbitrators must have decided that in terms of the potential for the sample being tampered with or becoming contaminated, there's a difference between it sitting in a sealed FedEx package, in FedEx's possession, and sitting in this guy's fridge where who knows who has access to it.

 

Setting aside the Braun vitriol, I would hope we could all agree that having a urine sample sitting for days in some dude's fridge between collection and analysis is not a very wise testing protocol.

 

It's not very wise testing protocol, but synthetic testosterone just doesn't appear out of nothing. Braun's entire defense hinges on his sample being contaminated by the collector. But ... there is absolutely no suspicion of this at all. What's the collector's motive contaminating the sample? Are there any rumors of the collector being untrustworthy at all?

[SouthSideRyan]

I'm telling you guys Pasteur was wrong.

[davearm2]

Because if Victor Conte says it, it HAS to be true!

 

Your defense of Braun has hinged on 2 things: 1) MLB turning down Braun's offer to take a DNA test and 2) the possibility the guy who collected the urine sample screwed up, possibly intentionally. We already know #1 is false and even Braun's defense didn't try to question the validity of the urine sample while appealing, yet you are.

I would imagine if you're Braun's legal team, you consider arguing:

 

1) the test was a false positive

2) the urine tested wasn't Braun's

3) somehow the testosterone got into the sample sometime after Braun peed it out

 

I suspect #1 is a surefire loser because the test itself is considered bulletproof. Nobody's going to buy that there wasn't actually elevated testosterone in the urine that was tested.

 

The DNA test was pursuant to #2.

 

And raising a stink about the timing of the FedEx delivery was pursuant to #3.

[SouthSideRyan]

If I'm Joe Pissdeliverer and I want to taint Ryan Braun's sample with synthetic testosterone, I'd probably do it quickly and send it off via FedEx rather than waiting around for a weekend.

[davearm2]

Here's something on my mind that I don't think anybody has talked about yet: Even if the collector dropped the sample off late Saturday night at Fedex, it probably would not have been actually shipped until Monday. It all depends on the timing of the Fedex truck that picks up packages at that specific Fedex location. Perhaps the collector knew that he was too late for the Saturday pickup and thought the sample was better off sitting in his fridge than in some Fedex location for 2 days? That sounds pretty reasonable to me.

Obviously the issue here is the chain of custody -- who was in possession of the sample when.

 

The arbitrators must have decided that in terms of the potential for the sample being tampered with or becoming contaminated, there's a difference between it sitting in a sealed FedEx package, in FedEx's possession, and sitting in this guy's fridge where who knows who has access to it.

 

Setting aside the Braun vitriol, I would hope we could all agree that having a urine sample sitting for days in some dude's fridge between collection and analysis is not a very wise testing protocol.

 

It's not very wise testing protocol, but synthetic testosterone just doesn't appear out of nothing. Braun's entire defense hinges on his sample being contaminated by the collector. But ... there is absolutely no suspicion of this at all. What's the collector's motive contaminating the sample? Are there any rumors of the collector being untrustworthy at all?

The whole reason to follow proper chain of custody protocol is so these sorts of questions don't need to be asked, because the opportunity for contamination does not exist.

[erik316wttn]

Because if Victor Conte says it, it HAS to be true!

 

Your defense of Braun has hinged on 2 things: 1) MLB turning down Braun's offer to take a DNA test and 2) the possibility the guy who collected the urine sample screwed up, possibly intentionally. We already know #1 is false nd even Braun's defense didn't try to question the validity of the urine sample while appealing, yet you are. You are suggesting the sample was either intentionally tampereded or saying the sample changed while in a fridge. I'd trust Victor Conte's scientific knowledge disspelling that.

 

Upthread I had said (before I posted the DNA test stuff) that it's impossible for a sample to give a false positive after being in a fridge. I was mainly questioning the validity of the urine sample, which is what was probably implied by "chain of custody." Because there isn't a paper trail for every single second of that sample from the time it left Ryan Braun until it got to the lab, the .00001% chance that it got switched (not at all saying intentionally) is probably what got him off. I do not know if the whole "MLB denied Braun a DNA test" is true, but IF it is, then it gives substantial reasonable doubt. However, if it is untrue I retract all posts in question.

 

But to clear up any confusion: Do I think Ryan Braun used PED's? Absolutely yes. Any posts defending him were completely hinged upon the denial of a DNA test by MLB. Again, if that is untrue I retract all my posts.

[OleMissCub]

I will say that he did a damn good job speaking to the media. One of the better statements I've heard from an athlete.

 

disclaimer: not saying I believe him or not, just saying that he's a good public speaker as far as athletes go.

[brewersbrewers]

According to jsonline the man who is collected the sample is Dino Laurenzi of Kenosha and he is a cubs fan. Edited February 25, 2012 by brewersbrewers

[brewersbrewers]

From day 1 I thought Braun was not guilty and i was right, I can understand why many of your think he is guilty, if this happened to a cub i would say he is guilty, there is still a lot we do not know.

[SouthSideRyan]

lolololollollollo

[Little Slide Rooter]

From day 1 I thought Braun was not guilty and i was right, I can understand why many of your think he is guilty, if this happened to a cub i would say he is guilty, there is still a lot we do not know.

 

Buck up. If anyone knows what its like to learn that the best hitter of their lifetime was a cheater despite lack of concrete evidence it's us.

[Little Slide Rooter]

According to jsonline the man who is collected the sample is Dino Laurenzi of Kenosha and he is a cubs fan.

 

Rumor has it, he also has an affinity for Hitler and tasteful clothing.

[brewersbrewers]

Dino moved out of his house yesterday according to reports, because he know what was coming his way, i guess we have your own Bartman now.

[SouthSideRyan]

lololololololol

[SouthSideRyan]

This 50 year old guy is throwing his career away because he doesn't like the Brewers.

 

http://www.cyberpt.com/images/DinoLaurenzi.jpg

 

It's perfect [expletive] sense.

 

That and spontaneous generation.

[brewersbrewers]

Braun's best friend Arron Rodgers had some great tweets the last 24 hours.

[brewersbrewers]

Dino only does that as a part time job and his son was there also,

[Little Slide Rooter]

And you're sure that he didn't move out of his house because it's in Kenosha?

[brewersbrewers]

All the Milwaukee tv stations were out in front of his house for the 6pm newcast.

[Sammy Sofa]

My opinion may be turning on Braun.

 

The guy who collected his sample did that part time... he was not a full-time drug tester. The sample sat on his desk for two days. That in and of itself does not mean Braun is innocent, however it does mean that a mistake COULD have (not WAS, but COULD have) been made and a wrong sample could have been sent in. This is the part that gets me, however:

 

Braun went to MLB and offered to give a DNA sample, which could be definitively matched to the urine sample. MLB turned him down. That in and of itself speaks volumes. If MLB was 100% sure of Braun's guilt, why turn down an offer to nail him to the wall? That tells me they jumped the gun and had to stick with it and didn't want to back down, and that's probably what tipped the scales in Braun's favor.

 

This makes absolutely no sense. You're basically saying the MLB is behind this and refused a DNA test that Braun is still presumably offering (not true) and decided to stick with trying to suspend the reigning MVP instead of admitting a mistake was made and somebody leaked incorrect information? You really think they'd do everything they could to accuse him falsely and punish him instead of trying to clear it up? Are you [expletive] serious?

[Sammy Sofa]

From day 1 I thought Braun was not guilty and i was right, I can understand why many of your think he is guilty, if this happened to a cub i would say he is guilty, there is still a lot we do not know.

 

Buck up. If anyone knows what its like to learn that the best hitter of their lifetime was a cheater despite lack of concrete evidence it's us.

 

I don't know why you think awareness of Bonds is especially high with Cubs fans, but OK.

[javy knows my name]

From day 1 I thought Braun was not guilty and i was right, I can understand why many of your think he is guilty, if this happened to a cub i would say he is guilty, there is still a lot we do not know.

 

Stop. Read that back to me.

[Sammy Sofa]

There's a lot he doesn't know...except whether Braun used PED's or not.

[Derwood]

Braun's best friend Arron Rodgers had some great tweets the last 24 hours.

 

 

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