Known Liar&Cheater Ryan Braun Caught Lying&Cheating Again

[davearm2]

For the record the title should say,

 

Ryan Braun tests positive for PED. Faces 50 games suspension.

For the life of me, I can't figure out what it is you're trying to correct.

 

"tests positive" is no different than "fails".

 

And a positive test results in an automatic suspension.

 

He can appeal, but unless/until he does, he is suspended (or will be).

 

Obviously you need to be educated in how this stuff works.

 

He has not failed the test yet nor has he been suspended 50 games. The thread says both are true.

 

If he failed the test he would be suspended. Since he only has tested positive he has the right to appeal the results (which he is) therefore he has not been suspended yet which the thread suggests.

I know exactly how this stuff works.

 

What I need to be educated on is why you seem to think there's a meaningful distinction between "testing positive" and "failing the test". Testing positive is precisely what it means to fail the test.

 

As you would have us understand, he "tested positive" a month ago or whatever, yet at some time in the future he will "fail the test". Really? That's what you're going with?

[Splendid Splinter]

From the article...

 

Brewers spokesman Tyler Barnes said Saturday that the team had not been contacted by the commissioner's office and the team had no knowledge of a failed test. Messages left for MLB officials were not returned. Greg Bouris, spokesman for the Major League Baseball Players Association, declined comment.

 

Since being informed of the results, Braun has been disputing his case. A source close to Braun said that when he was told about the positive test, he immediately requested to be tested again. That second test, the source said, was not positive. Those close to Braun believe that the difference between the two tests will show that the first test was invalid.

 

Obviously I am holding out the smallest hope ever.

 

 

Maybe you should read the next 3 paragraphs after those 2...

 

The outfielder has told those around him that he did not knowingly take any banned substances and hoped to prove that during the arbitration process. No major league player has ever successfully appealed a positive test.

 

MLB's Joint Drug Prevention and Treatment Policy calls for strict liability among players, meaning if a player tests positive, the league is "not required to otherwise establish intent, fault, negligence or knowing use of a Prohibited Substance on the Player's part to establish such a violation."

 

Even if a player can establish he did not knowingly take a banned substance, he must show he was not in any way negligent to appeal successfully. For example, taking a dietary supplement that contains an unlabeled performance-enhancing drug would not be sufficient grounds for appeal, but if he were to show that he ingested something that was either tampered with or no player reasonably could have assumed to have been contaminated, the appeal might succeed.

 

The source close to Braun said he believes that standard can be met.

 

That's why basically nobody have ever successfully won their appeal in MLB. It's going to be really freakin' hard to have proof if something was tampered with or "reasonably" assumed something was contaminated.

 

The only one I know that won their appeal was that Mexican team I believe? They won because they ate tainted beef or something crazy like that.

Edited December 11, 2011 by Splendid Splinter

[XZero771679666304]

From the article...

 

Brewers spokesman Tyler Barnes said Saturday that the team had not been contacted by the commissioner's office and the team had no knowledge of a failed test. Messages left for MLB officials were not returned. Greg Bouris, spokesman for the Major League Baseball Players Association, declined comment.

 

Since being informed of the results, Braun has been disputing his case. A source close to Braun said that when he was told about the positive test, he immediately requested to be tested again. That second test, the source said, was not positive. Those close to Braun believe that the difference between the two tests will show that the first test was invalid.

 

Obviously I am holding out the smallest hope ever.

 

Again, the sad part of this is that even if he wins his appeal, his rep is shot. He won't be banned, but he'll wear it for life.

 

Yeah, which if for the small percent chance he is telling the truth will be really sad for Braun and the Brewers organization.

 

I agree with this. Ryan Braun is spectacular [expletive] douchebag of monumental proportion, but aside from the 50 game suspension, no one stands to gain anything from this. Anyone even tangentially linked to PEDs has been stigmatized, and news like this is an indelible stain on his reputation, won appeal or not. Some Brewers fans will try and deny this, but it's the sad truth.

 

And it's bad for the sport.

 

I should note that I don't even really care if these guys juice or not. I don't suffer from the delusion that this has ever been a "clean" sport, or that any of the other sports are, either.

[ELCABALLO45]

From the article...

 

Brewers spokesman Tyler Barnes said Saturday that the team had not been contacted by the commissioner's office and the team had no knowledge of a failed test. Messages left for MLB officials were not returned. Greg Bouris, spokesman for the Major League Baseball Players Association, declined comment.

 

Since being informed of the results, Braun has been disputing his case. A source close to Braun said that when he was told about the positive test, he immediately requested to be tested again. That second test, the source said, was not positive. Those close to Braun believe that the difference between the two tests will show that the first test was invalid.

 

Obviously I am holding out the smallest hope ever.

 

 

Maybe you should read the next 3 paragraphs after those 2...

 

The outfielder has told those around him that he did not knowingly take any banned substances and hoped to prove that during the arbitration process. No major league player has ever successfully appealed a positive test.

 

MLB's Joint Drug Prevention and Treatment Policy calls for strict liability among players, meaning if a player tests positive, the league is "not required to otherwise establish intent, fault, negligence or knowing use of a Prohibited Substance on the Player's part to establish such a violation."

 

Even if a player can establish he did not knowingly take a banned substance, he must show he was not in any way negligent to appeal successfully. For example, taking a dietary supplement that contains an unlabeled performance-enhancing drug would not be sufficient grounds for appeal, but if he were to show that he ingested something that was either tampered with or no player reasonably could have assumed to have been contaminated, the appeal might succeed.

 

The source close to Braun said he believes that standard can be met.

 

That's why basically nobody have ever successfully won their appeal in MLB. It's going to be really freakin' hard to have proof if something was tampered with or "reasonably" assumed something was contaminated.

 

The only one I know that won their appeal was that Mexican team I believe? They won because they ate tainted beef or something crazy like that.

 

And there is still a possibility that he could win the appeal. Just because it hasn't happened before doesn't mean something crazy didn't happen. Obviously its a long shot but it's still a possibility.

[Little Slide Rooter]

My day has been made.

[Splendid Splinter]

And there is still a possibility that he could win the appeal. Just because it hasn't happened before doesn't mean something crazy didn't happen. Obviously its a long shot but it's still a possibility.

 

 

I mean he could telling the truth that he didn't knowingly took a banned substance and it will won't matter to MLB. The appeal will still be upheld.

 

It's gonna have to be a situation like that Mexican team. It was a tainted food or drink and that "Braun" went out, investigated, and found proof that it was tainted and he had no way of knowing or assumed that it was tainted.

 

 

Yeah it's a possibility, but I would give it less than 1% though.

[XZero771679666304]

And there is still a possibility that he could win the appeal. Just because it hasn't happened before doesn't mean something crazy didn't happen. Obviously its a long shot but it's still a possibility.

 

 

I mean he could telling the truth that he didn't knowingly took a banned substance and it will won't matter to MLB. The appeal will still be upheld.

 

It's gonna have to be a situation like that Mexican team. It was a tainted food or drink and that "Braun" went out, investigated, and found proof that it was tainted and he had no way of knowing or assumed that it was tainted.

 

 

Yeah it's a possibility, but I would give it less than 1% though.

 

Yeah, it's an extreme longshot.

[ELCABALLO45]

I agree completely. The odds are against him for sure.

[Little Slide Rooter]

First things first: I don't think that Braun is a roider, at lest in the Bonds, Sosa, McGwire, etc. sense of the word. However, Braun did nurse an injury for a good portion of the season, and he never was on the DL. It's not inconceivable that they gave him an injection of sorts which they simply didn't tell him what it was for his own good so that he could avoid the DL and keep on playing. Even though he likely knew damn well that whatever he was given was some variety of steroid, as long as he didn't ask what it was, they weren't obligated to tell him what it was so he has the right to plead ignorance. I'm sure this wouldn't be the first case of something like this happening.However, one thing against him is that there is a 0 tolerance policy, and they'll likely jump on the opportunity to make an example of someone, especially one of the top stars in the game today. The fact that he has somewhat of a good guy image, though a bit of a douche could make them even more eager to use him as an example. Edited December 11, 2011 by Little Slide Rooter

[Rob]

I'm wondering if this might inspire the Cubs to spend a little more in free agency this offseason. Before the offseason began, I had figured we were a longshot to contend... but now Pujols is gone from StL with no major upgrades added, Fielder is likely gone from Mil, Braun is gone for 50 games, and due to the K-Rod thing they likely wont be able to add enough payroll to bring in a bat like Aramis (which I had just assumed they would, before). The window for contention just keeps opening up a little wider.

[Careless]

yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes

 

This is better than Pujols leaving St. Louis.

[ELCABALLO45]

I will say this though, if it does come back to be true. Besides getting Pujols, the Cubs have had a dream off-season so far.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

However, one thing against him is that there is a 0 tolerance policy, and they'll likely jump on the opportunity to make an example of someone, especially one of the top stars in the game today. The fact that he has somewhat of a good guy image, though a bit of a douche could make them even more eager to use him as an example.

 

This is where I think the complete opposite. Wouldn't it be better for baseball for them to have Braun win the appeal? This is a huge, huge stain on the game right now when the MVP and one of the top hitters in baseball is labeled a cheater.

 

If guys are still doing this even today, the casual fan is going to just assume that baseball will forever be full of a bunch of cheaters.

 

So, what I'm saying is, I believe a big coverup is about to happen. Braun actually did cheat, but he's going to get away with it!

[ELCABALLO45]

However, one thing against him is that there is a 0 tolerance policy, and they'll likely jump on the opportunity to make an example of someone, especially one of the top stars in the game today. The fact that he has somewhat of a good guy image, though a bit of a douche could make them even more eager to use him as an example.

 

This is where I think the complete opposite. Wouldn't it be better for baseball for them to have Braun win the appeal? This is a huge, huge stain on the game right now when the MVP and one of the top hitters in baseball is labeled a cheater.

 

If guys are still doing this even today, the casual fan is going to just assume that baseball will forever be full of a bunch of cheaters.

 

So, what I'm saying is, I believe a big coverup is about to happen. Braun actually did cheat, but he's going to get away with it!

 

Why would MLB after all the hard work they have done to get rid of the steroid era would admit that their test failed?

[Bryants Disco Ball]

However, one thing against him is that there is a 0 tolerance policy, and they'll likely jump on the opportunity to make an example of someone, especially one of the top stars in the game today. The fact that he has somewhat of a good guy image, though a bit of a douche could make them even more eager to use him as an example.

 

This is where I think the complete opposite. Wouldn't it be better for baseball for them to have Braun win the appeal? This is a huge, huge stain on the game right now when the MVP and one of the top hitters in baseball is labeled a cheater.

 

If guys are still doing this even today, the casual fan is going to just assume that baseball will forever be full of a bunch of cheaters.

 

So, what I'm saying is, I believe a big coverup is about to happen. Braun actually did cheat, but he's going to get away with it!

 

Why would MLB after all the hard work they have done to get rid of the steroid era would admit that their test failed?

 

Nope. The test didn't fail. It will be that Braun somehow is able to prove that he took something by mistake.

 

Win-win for both the player and a league that doesn't want this blemish.

[ELCABALLO45]

However, one thing against him is that there is a 0 tolerance policy, and they'll likely jump on the opportunity to make an example of someone, especially one of the top stars in the game today. The fact that he has somewhat of a good guy image, though a bit of a douche could make them even more eager to use him as an example.

 

This is where I think the complete opposite. Wouldn't it be better for baseball for them to have Braun win the appeal? This is a huge, huge stain on the game right now when the MVP and one of the top hitters in baseball is labeled a cheater.

 

If guys are still doing this even today, the casual fan is going to just assume that baseball will forever be full of a bunch of cheaters.

 

So, what I'm saying is, I believe a big coverup is about to happen. Braun actually did cheat, but he's going to get away with it!

 

Why would MLB after all the hard work they have done to get rid of the steroid era would admit that their test failed?

 

Nope. The test didn't fail. It will be that Braun somehow is able to prove that he took something by mistake.

 

Win-win for both the player and a league that doesn't want this blemish.

 

If he took something by mistake he will still be suspended I believe. So that theory doesn't work.

[Rob]

 

If he took something by mistake he will still be suspended I believe. So that theory doesn't work.

 

Yeah, he basically has to prove that something was tainted... which can happen. Some guys on the Mexican national team got suspended at one point and were able to prove it was tainted beef at a restaurant.

 

But the most common defense is that an over the counter supplement had something in it that wasn't on the label... and that one has never worked for a player. The MLB has an approved supplements list for a reason.

[A New Era]

I'm wondering if this might inspire the Cubs to spend a little more in free agency this offseason. Before the offseason began, I had figured we were a longshot to contend... but now Pujols is gone from StL with no major upgrades added, Fielder is likely gone from Mil, Braun is gone for 50 games, and due to the K-Rod thing they likely wont be able to add enough payroll to bring in a bat like Aramis (which I had just assumed they would, before). The window for contention just keeps opening up a little wider.

 

A get your point. But the cardinals lost their #1 starter at the begining of the season yet they still won the world series. I guess my point is, it doesn't matter how bad they look. Pesky stupid st. louis is still gonna surprise. We should test the whole damn city of st. louis for steroids. I mean the whole damn physical city and ban it from sports.

[Splendid Splinter]

However, Braun did nurse an injury for a good portion of the season, and he never was on the DL. It's not inconceivable that they gave him an injection of sorts which they simply didn't tell him what it was for his own good so that he could avoid the DL and keep on playing. Even though he likely knew damn well that whatever he was given was some variety of steroid, as long as he didn't ask what it was, they weren't obligated to tell him what it was so he has the right to plead ignorance.

 

 

If this happened... the appeal will still be upheld. He knowingly let someone give him an injection and he didn't ask or they didn't tell him. He's an idiot IF that's what really happened and he should be banned for 100 games instead. Pleading ignorance like that would be the dumbest/worst thing to do in an appeal like this. Basically... this would be the Barry Bonds route. Sure it would work in a federal court where the other side has to prove it. But with the MLB, they don't have to prove anything. The players has to prove it. This could happened to him and whoever gave him the shot told him it was something else, but that still doesn't matter. He was honest and didn't know it had steroid in it instead in that situation, but he still let the guy inject him.

 

Here is a paragraph from the article, "Even if a player can establish he did not knowingly take a banned substance, he must show he was not in any way negligent to appeal successfully. For example, taking a dietary supplement that contains an unlabeled performance-enhancing drug would not be sufficient grounds for appeal, but if he were to show that he ingested something that was either tampered with or no player reasonably could have assumed to have been contaminated, the appeal might succeed."

 

Basically, in your situation, Braun would have to been sleeping, napping, passed out, knocked out, etc.. and a guy inject him with a shot of steroid. Then Braun would have to find proof that this happened to him. Like I said before... it's gonna have to be an extreme situation in order for MLB to overturn their appeal. There's a possibility and if Braun can prove it, good for him, but I'm not holding my breath on this one.

 

 

Either way, Braun is screwed and his rep is "ruined".

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Well, this is delightful. I took a break from cartoons to check on transactions, but this interests me more.

[XZero771679666304]

 

Win-win for both the player and a league that doesn't want this blemish.

 

It was too late for that the instant this hit the net.

 

That's why I hate the culture of demonizing PEDs and PED users. It's become a witch hunt atmosphere where guilt is assumed at the slightest implication and names are turned to mud. It's not people using that causes the blemish. Players in every sport use. It's stigma those in and around MLB have put on it. The need to distance and demonize following the steroid era has created an atmosphere of beyond zero tolerance.

[Little Slide Rooter]

It would bad for his rep, but a huge win for the MLB drug policy if it came out that he took it unknowingly argueably more so than if he knowingly roide up. At this point players already know to stay away. However, this would now show the teams that they cant just give a player dealing with injury a banned substance and pass it off as a mystery drug and let them claim they had no idea what they took. I'm not saying Braun is an innocent pawn in all of this, but he will be used as an example. I'm sure uncle Bud would prefer it be anyone other than Braun, who has been the key in The Brewers rising to height of popularity they've never seen but its out of his hands.

[ELCABALLO45]

I also don't buy that no one has ever won their appeal before. This story was leaked by ESPN and it was the NL MVP. If he would of won the appeal and ESPN didn't leak it no one would have known. Obviously MLB doesn't want people to know that their testing system has some flaws to it, because then everyone would assume everyone is juicing again because if there are flaws it can be beat. Again it's a real real long shot but just throwing it out there.

[ELCABALLO45]

And yes I am grasping for straws.

[Careless]

However, one thing against him is that there is a 0 tolerance policy, and they'll likely jump on the opportunity to make an example of someone, especially one of the top stars in the game today. The fact that he has somewhat of a good guy image, though a bit of a douche could make them even more eager to use him as an example.

 

This is where I think the complete opposite. Wouldn't it be better for baseball for them to have Braun win the appeal? This is a huge, huge stain on the game right now when the MVP and one of the top hitters in baseball is labeled a cheater.

 

If guys are still doing this even today, the casual fan is going to just assume that baseball will forever be full of a bunch of cheaters.

 

So, what I'm saying is, I believe a big coverup is about to happen. Braun actually did cheat, but he's going to get away with it!

 

Why would MLB after all the hard work they have done to get rid of the steroid era would admit that their test failed?

 

Nope. The test didn't fail. It will be that Braun somehow is able to prove that he took something by mistake.

 

Win-win for both the player and a league that doesn't want this blemish.

If he took something by mistake, he doesn't get off. He can get off if he proves something like some guy tackled him, pinned him down and shoved a syringe of testosterone in him