Trading Soriano

[Clem Fandango]

Kevin Goldstein ‏@Kevin_Goldstein

At BP tomorrow. RT @RJanvrin3: @Kevin_Goldstein If the Rays do trade for Soriano, who are some prospects they'd most likely deal?

 

Huh?

 

He's doing a story on that subject and it will be on Baseball Prospectus tomorrow.

 

you are probably right, but i honestly read this as though he was saying the prospects would be at batting practice tomorrow because the prospects are a couple bags of baseballs.

 

Thought the same thing

[Guest]

Kevin Goldstein ‏@Kevin_Goldstein

At BP tomorrow. RT @RJanvrin3: @Kevin_Goldstein If the Rays do trade for Soriano, who are some prospects they'd most likely deal?

 

Huh?

 

He's doing a story on that subject and it will be on Baseball Prospectus tomorrow.

 

This appears to be the article...

 

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=17579

[Clem Fandango]

Buster Olney of ESPN.com (via Twitter) speculates that Alfonso Soriano would be an interesting get for the Rays if the Cubs were willing to absorb about 90 percent of the money owed to him.

[NewUserName]

Buster Olney of ESPN.com (via Twitter) speculates that Alfonso Soriano would be an interesting get for the Rays if the Cubs were willing to absorb about 90 percent of the money owed to him.

 

I think at this point if the Cubs pay 90% of his salary I would expect a solid prospect in return.

[17 Seconds]

i would expect a very good prospect for that, otherwise it's pointless. 2.5 fWAR so far this season for alfonso

[Magnetic Curses]

i would expect a very good prospect for that, otherwise it's pointless. 2.5 fWAR so far this season for alfonso

 

Yeah he'll be worth his contract this year. If we''re paying for production, we better get something real nice back.

[dfnowak]

Yeah if we offer to pay 90%+ of Soriano's contract and we don't get any good prospects in return, I don't see the point in trading him. He's been a productive player this year, is known to be a good teammate, has been working hard and playing thru pain this year, and there are no OF prospects beating down the door ready to be called up.

[KaiserCesar]

If Soriano stuck around somehow for the rest of his contract and he reached 400 homers at some point in the 2014 season (or a long shot chance at the 2013 season), what would the reaction be? A majority of his career and production will have been as a Cub at that point, but I can't imagine him being celebrated as a great Cub or anything.

[Sammy Sofa]

Meh...400? It doesn't really mean anything. I mean, good for him, but nobody goes nuts over 400 home runs anymore.

[Magnetic Curses]

he's going to be a 4+ WAR player this year. it sucks that it's going to be wasted because no one will take him.

[Guest]

he's going to be a 4+ WAR player this year. it sucks that it's going to be wasted because no one will take him.

 

It's encouraging that it can be pretty easily traced to something repeatable(the bat change), so selling people on 3-4 WAR Soriano for 2 years(especially if he can fix that knee in the offseason) could get some pretty positive returns.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Do we know anything about the knee injury? He's been such a good player this year, I wonder if a cleaned up knee (or whatever) will help him even more next year? With just two years left after this year, I'm not that enamored with trading him as I was a couple months ago.

[Backtobanks]

Do we know anything about the knee injury? He's been such a good player this year, I wonder if a cleaned up knee (or whatever) will help him even more next year? With just two years left after this year, I'm not that enamored with trading him as I was a couple months ago.

 

As someone posted many pages ago, Soriano leaving means Rizzo loses his protection in the lineup.

[Sammy Sofa]

Do we know anything about the knee injury? He's been such a good player this year, I wonder if a cleaned up knee (or whatever) will help him even more next year? With just two years left after this year, I'm not that enamored with trading him as I was a couple months ago.

 

As someone posted many pages ago, Soriano leaving means Rizzo loses his protection in the lineup.

 

Other things were said about that.

[Clem Fandango]

Now this from Jon Heyman...

 

Alfonso Soriano's 14 homers since mid-May should have teams interested, but it seems like no one is ever showing interest in the pricey outfielder, writes Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com. One rival GM surmised that Chicago could move Soriano if they absorb $44MM of the $46MM owed to him through 2014. One scout suggested that the Rays might be a fit for the 36-year-old.

 

$44 of $46 million? There better be a top prospect in that kind of deal, that's absurd to get next to nothing in return for giving Soriano away for $1 million per year for the rest of the contract.

[17 Seconds]

really? we could get somebody to take soriano at 2.5 years and 2 million dollars? amazing.

[pccubfan]

Now this from Jon Heyman...

 

Alfonso Soriano's 14 homers since mid-May should have teams interested, but it seems like no one is ever showing interest in the pricey outfielder, writes Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com. One rival GM surmised that Chicago could move Soriano if they absorb $44MM of the $46MM owed to him through 2014. One scout suggested that the Rays might be a fit for the 36-year-old.

 

$44 of $46 million? There better be a top prospect in that kind of deal, that's absurd to get next to nothing in return for giving Soriano away for $1 million per year for the rest of the contract.

 

Seriously, what would be the point unless you received a great prospect back. I can't imagine any GM making such a stupid statement. I can believe someone thinking it, but then to say it.

[Magnetic Curses]

Now this from Jon Heyman...

 

Alfonso Soriano's 14 homers since mid-May should have teams interested, but it seems like no one is ever showing interest in the pricey outfielder, writes Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com. One rival GM surmised that Chicago could move Soriano if they absorb $44MM of the $46MM owed to him through 2014. One scout suggested that the Rays might be a fit for the 36-year-old.

 

$44 of $46 million? There better be a top prospect in that kind of deal, that's absurd to get next to nothing in return for giving Soriano away for $1 million per year for the rest of the contract.

 

considering his production will be worth around 20 million this year and, perhaps we can convince a team his worth will be around 20 million next season considering health, defensive improvements, and as TT mentioned, a lighter bat, we should be able to get something of value for him and get around half of the rest of his salary paid. if a contender wanted to take soriano and 23 mil and give us at least a top 10 prospect and maybe a couple of low level lottery tickets, preferably all pitchers, i think that would come close to equalling his actual value.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

Now this from Jon Heyman...

 

Alfonso Soriano's 14 homers since mid-May should have teams interested, but it seems like no one is ever showing interest in the pricey outfielder, writes Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com. One rival GM surmised that Chicago could move Soriano if they absorb $44MM of the $46MM owed to him through 2014. One scout suggested that the Rays might be a fit for the 36-year-old.

 

$44 of $46 million? There better be a top prospect in that kind of deal, that's absurd to get next to nothing in return for giving Soriano away for $1 million per year for the rest of the contract.

 

considering his production will be worth around 20 million this year and, perhaps we can convince a team his worth will be around 20 million next season considering health, defensive improvements, and as TT mentioned, a lighter bat, we should be able to get something of value for him and get around half of the rest of his salary paid. if a contender wanted to take soriano and 23 mil and give us at least a top 10 prospect and maybe a couple of low level lottery tickets, preferably all pitchers, i think that would come close to equalling his actual value.

 

It's for sure somewhere in between. We ain't trading him for $2 million of salary relief, and no way we can or should get half his salary paid and a top 10 prospect from a team.

[Magnetic Curses]

Now this from Jon Heyman...

 

Alfonso Soriano's 14 homers since mid-May should have teams interested, but it seems like no one is ever showing interest in the pricey outfielder, writes Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com. One rival GM surmised that Chicago could move Soriano if they absorb $44MM of the $46MM owed to him through 2014. One scout suggested that the Rays might be a fit for the 36-year-old.

 

$44 of $46 million? There better be a top prospect in that kind of deal, that's absurd to get next to nothing in return for giving Soriano away for $1 million per year for the rest of the contract.

 

considering his production will be worth around 20 million this year and, perhaps we can convince a team his worth will be around 20 million next season considering health, defensive improvements, and as TT mentioned, a lighter bat, we should be able to get something of value for him and get around half of the rest of his salary paid. if a contender wanted to take soriano and 23 mil and give us at least a top 10 prospect and maybe a couple of low level lottery tickets, preferably all pitchers, i think that would come close to equalling his actual value.

 

It's for sure somewhere in between. We ain't trading him for $2 million of salary relief, and no way we can or should get half his salary paid and a top 10 prospect from a team.

 

if he's worth 20 mil next year and let's say 10 mil in 2014 and 7.5 the rest of the way this season, that's almost 40 mil in projectable value for the price of 23.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

Now this from Jon Heyman...

 

Alfonso Soriano's 14 homers since mid-May should have teams interested, but it seems like no one is ever showing interest in the pricey outfielder, writes Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com. One rival GM surmised that Chicago could move Soriano if they absorb $44MM of the $46MM owed to him through 2014. One scout suggested that the Rays might be a fit for the 36-year-old.

 

$44 of $46 million? There better be a top prospect in that kind of deal, that's absurd to get next to nothing in return for giving Soriano away for $1 million per year for the rest of the contract.

 

considering his production will be worth around 20 million this year and, perhaps we can convince a team his worth will be around 20 million next season considering health, defensive improvements, and as TT mentioned, a lighter bat, we should be able to get something of value for him and get around half of the rest of his salary paid. if a contender wanted to take soriano and 23 mil and give us at least a top 10 prospect and maybe a couple of low level lottery tickets, preferably all pitchers, i think that would come close to equalling his actual value.

 

It's for sure somewhere in between. We ain't trading him for $2 million of salary relief, and no way we can or should get half his salary paid and a top 10 prospect from a team.

 

if he's worth 20 mil next year and let's say 10 mil in 2014 and 7.5 the rest of the way this season, that's almost 40 mil in projectable value for the price of 23.

 

I just don't think everyone views it that way, though. Alfonso Soriano is a nice offensive player when healthy. But he's 36, and probably would be better served as a DH. I just don't think teams are going to pay that much for him, no matter what the numbers say he is worth.

[XZero771679666304]

Now this from Jon Heyman...

 

Alfonso Soriano's 14 homers since mid-May should have teams interested, but it seems like no one is ever showing interest in the pricey outfielder, writes Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com. One rival GM surmised that Chicago could move Soriano if they absorb $44MM of the $46MM owed to him through 2014. One scout suggested that the Rays might be a fit for the 36-year-old.

 

$44 of $46 million? There better be a top prospect in that kind of deal, that's absurd to get next to nothing in return for giving Soriano away for $1 million per year for the rest of the contract.

 

considering his production will be worth around 20 million this year and, perhaps we can convince a team his worth will be around 20 million next season considering health, defensive improvements, and as TT mentioned, a lighter bat, we should be able to get something of value for him and get around half of the rest of his salary paid. if a contender wanted to take soriano and 23 mil and give us at least a top 10 prospect and maybe a couple of low level lottery tickets, preferably all pitchers, i think that would come close to equalling his actual value.

 

It's for sure somewhere in between. We ain't trading him for $2 million of salary relief, and no way we can or should get half his salary paid and a top 10 prospect from a team.

 

if he's worth 20 mil next year and let's say 10 mil in 2014 and 7.5 the rest of the way this season, that's almost 40 mil in projectable value for the price of 23.

 

Given the (presumed) m.o. of eating salary to garner better returns, I think there's near zero chance the Cubs only pay 17M of Soriano's remaining contract if he's traded. I'd bet that the Cubs will stay on the hook for all but 2-5M if he is dealt.

[Backtobanks]

Now this from Jon Heyman...

 

Alfonso Soriano's 14 homers since mid-May should have teams interested, but it seems like no one is ever showing interest in the pricey outfielder, writes Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com. One rival GM surmised that Chicago could move Soriano if they absorb $44MM of the $46MM owed to him through 2014. One scout suggested that the Rays might be a fit for the 36-year-old.

 

$44 of $46 million? There better be a top prospect in that kind of deal, that's absurd to get next to nothing in return for giving Soriano away for $1 million per year for the rest of the contract.

 

Yeah if there isn't a decent prospect involved, he's more valuable as protection for Rizzo in the lineup.

[Magnetic Curses]

he's a guy that's in tremendous shape as well and is still incredibly strong with superior bat speed. i think he has another 3-4 type WAR season left in him, after that, i think it's fairly prudent to expect a 2 WAR season at least.

 

it's projecting, but if the cubs feel he is more valuable to them than a shot in the dark and a little salary relief, they don't have to make deal, nor do i think they will. we have smart guys in control right now, they don't need to get anything for him, it would be nice, but he can stay out in left field until his contract is up and provide power displays for the folks in the stands like he did yesterday. theo and jed would be fine with that, i'm sure.

 

now, if someone wants to come in and offer to take half his contract and a top 10 organizational pitcher for him, i'd take it and they would, too. he's 18th in the NL in OPS, he's outproducing names like bryce harper and jay bruce and he's pretty even with guys like jason heyward and andre ethier. if you could sell a team on that kind of production over the next 2 years, you better believe we should get something back and not have to pay for him to produce elsewhere.

[Sammy Sofa]

Now this from Jon Heyman...

 

Alfonso Soriano's 14 homers since mid-May should have teams interested, but it seems like no one is ever showing interest in the pricey outfielder, writes Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com. One rival GM surmised that Chicago could move Soriano if they absorb $44MM of the $46MM owed to him through 2014. One scout suggested that the Rays might be a fit for the 36-year-old.

 

$44 of $46 million? There better be a top prospect in that kind of deal, that's absurd to get next to nothing in return for giving Soriano away for $1 million per year for the rest of the contract.

 

Yeah if there isn't a decent prospect involved, he's more valuable as protection for Rizzo in the lineup.

 

STOP IT.