Players/Owners Close to Agreement on Draft Related Issues

[David]

The new deal is expected to include significant restraints on the amount of money teams spend on draft picks and significant changes in draft-pick compensation for free agents.

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/mlb-players-owners-clear-contract-hurdle-111311

 

this sucks

[Hairyducked Idiot]

From Buster Olney's Twitter:

 

 

Buster_ESPN Buster Olney

Some of the broad strokes discussed in labor agreement: Ceilings for draft bonuses based on recommendations of first 10 rounds. (More)

39 minutes ago

 

 

Buster_ESPN Buster Olney

No team required to adhere to individual slot recommendations. If team surpasses 10-round ceiling, would be taxed 1st time. (more)

38 minutes ago

 

Buster_ESPN Buster Olney

On 2nd offense of surpassing draft ceiling, team would lose a top pick. Also: 1st-rd. compensation to disappear; negotiations in progress.

36 minutes ago

 

 

 

He also says nothing is finalized but talks are on "the 10-yard line."

[SouthSideRyan]

FUUUUUUUUUUUUU

[Guest]

they are going to make it no fun to be a big market team.

[treebird]

seems like this would significantly increase the value of an eleventh round pick and being picked in the eleventh round. if you're going to fall, fall to eleven.

[SouthSideRyan]

Hmmm, good point. Let's just make rounds 1-10 the de facto 11-20th rounds, and vice versa

[Guest]

seems like this would significantly increase the value of an eleventh round pick and being picked in the eleventh round. if you're going to fall, fall to eleven.

 

That was my thought too. It's not clear if the ceiling is for the first 10 rounds based on slot, or if the ceiling is the first 10 rounds based on slot plus some arbitrary number for the remaining rounds.

 

Still, a really dumb decision for all parties involved.

[jersey cubs fan]

they are going to make it no fun to be a big market team.

 

they will make it a lot more fun for them to sign free agents.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Hardball Times had some interesting thoughts on the possible downsides of hard slotting:

 

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/whats-holding-up-the-next-collective-bargaining-agreement/

 

Essentially, you are going to encourage a lot of talent to go to other sports or to college, where their development will be inferior.

[treebird]

while we're doing this, it sure would be nice if we could throw the elias a/b/c free agent rankings in the garbage and put something reasonable in

[Guest]

Screw the first round phenoms but still allow teams to go nuts spending late in the draft. Makes sense.

[Guest]

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/hard-slotting-is-bad-for-baseball/

 

The problem is, however, that from 2007-2011, the teams that have spent most on the draft are the Pittsburgh Pirates, Washington Nationals, and Kansas City Royals. Not exactly franchises with monstrous payrolls. Of course, one can argue those three teams top the charts due to their position atop the draft year-in and year-out, but it’s not quite that simple.

 

For example, the Pirates have made gargantuan splashes in the draft the past few years, signing Josh Bell to the highest bonus ever for a non-first-round draft pick in 2011 and also signing over-slot guys such as Stetson Allie, Zack Von Rosenburg, and Colton Cain in the past three years.

 

Teams such as the Pirates, Royals, Nationals, Rays, and Blue Jays have devoted a large portion of their resources to the draft because they ultimately understand that the rewards of securing six years of cost-controlled production at the major league level is well worth the risk of spending an extra couple hundred-thousand dollars on a handful of players in the draft. Instead of committing that money to a throw-away reliever at the league minimum, spend it on multiple lottery tickets on the farm and get far more value.

 

Sure, big-market teams are able to spend more on the draft and still have enough in the remaining budget to out-spend on free agency, but small-market teams clearly understand the value of the draft. Curbing the over-slot deals hurts those same small-market teams that the plan is supposedly protecting, as teams with lower payrolls must find sustainable success through the farm system.

[jersey cubs fan]

Screw the first round phenoms but still allow teams to go nuts spending late in the draft. Makes sense.

 

A first round phenom can still make his demands clear so that he drops out of the top 10 rounds and gets his deal later.

[Guest]

Screw the first round phenoms but still allow teams to go nuts spending late in the draft. Makes sense.

 

A first round phenom can still make his demands clear so that he drops out of the top 10 rounds and gets his deal later.

 

What leverage does said phenom have if he's drafted and they don't meet his demands, assuming he isn't a multi-sport athlete (or a high school player)?

 

Either way, there has to be more to this. This plan makes no sense.

[SouthSideRyan]

Screw the first round phenoms but still allow teams to go nuts spending late in the draft. Makes sense.

 

A first round phenom can still make his demands clear so that he drops out of the top 10 rounds and gets his deal later.

 

What leverage does said phenom have if he's drafted and they don't meet his demands, assuming he isn't a multi-sport athlete (or a high school player)?

 

Either way, there has to be more to this. This plan makes no sense.

 

If he's not a senior in college he doesn't sign.

[javy knows my name]

This is a ridiculously stupid decision and I hate it.

[Guest]

Screw the first round phenoms but still allow teams to go nuts spending late in the draft. Makes sense.

 

A first round phenom can still make his demands clear so that he drops out of the top 10 rounds and gets his deal later.

 

What leverage does said phenom have if he's drafted and they don't meet his demands, assuming he isn't a multi-sport athlete (or a high school player)?

 

Either way, there has to be more to this. This plan makes no sense.

 

If he's not a senior in college he doesn't sign.

 

Fine. Senior college phenoms are getting screwed.

[SouthSideRyan]

Well, seniors in college are never going to have any leverage.

[Guest]

There has to be more to this. How does allowing teams to still go crazy spending after the the 10th round change anything?

[jersey cubs fan]

There has to be more to this. How does allowing teams to still go crazy spending after the the 10th round change anything?

 

It changes the trend of the top of the line guys getting bigger and bigger guaranteed contracts. They aren't as concerned about potential 2nd round guys getting first round money, but they don't want the #1 pick in the draft getting $50 million.

[Guest]

There has to be more to this. How does allowing teams to still go crazy spending after the the 10th round change anything?

 

It changes the trend of the top of the line guys getting bigger and bigger guaranteed contracts. They aren't as concerned about potential 2nd round guys getting first round money, but they don't want the #1 pick in the draft getting $50 million.

 

Isn't that what I was just saying? Now I'm confused.

[jersey cubs fan]

There has to be more to this. How does allowing teams to still go crazy spending after the the 10th round change anything?

 

It changes the trend of the top of the line guys getting bigger and bigger guaranteed contracts. They aren't as concerned about potential 2nd round guys getting first round money, but they don't want the #1 pick in the draft getting $50 million.

 

Isn't that what I was just saying? Now I'm confused.

 

Yeah, in practice it should limit that. I'm just saying that if you have a truly "once in a generation" guy who is really confident in his abilities, he could make his demands clear. It's very risky though and in the end you probably won't see it happen very often.

[MSG T]

Acecubbie just retweeted Heyman saying they are close to an agreement and there would be no hard slots for draft picks. I'll try to get the link attached.

[Guest]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/11/type-b-compensation-likely-to-be-eliminated-this-offseason.html

 

After talking to two executives briefed on the collective bargaining negotations, Sherman says there is a "strong possibility that Type-B compensation will be eliminated this offseason."

 

Hopefully this means they also come up with a new way of classifying FA's for this offseason too, because losing Ramirez for nothing will be really irritating.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Class B free agent compensation on the chopping block for this offseason?

 

http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/hardball/baseball_new_labor_deal_to_eliminate_RGGAs4SBkXxcos8nyAPt1I