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Fair enough. If your fundamental position is so vastly different from mine (entertainment taking precedence over the accuracy of the result, at least to some extent), I can't really argue with you about it.

 

That's not fair enough. His stance on football players is absurd. You don't know how to react to a play? Oh shut up. You react to the play and call that you see. Who the hell just sits there and ponders whether he should cheer because of the possibility that the review guy will summon the ref to take a look and overturn it? That's moronic.

 

I agree with you but it's not like you can convince him otherwise.

 

It's like trying to convince a hard core conservative that gay marriage is OK. Or a hard core liberal that gay marriage is wrong because God says so.

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Fair enough. If your fundamental position is so vastly different from mine (entertainment taking precedence over the accuracy of the result, at least to some extent), I can't really argue with you about it.

 

That's not fair enough. His stance on football players is absurd. You don't know how to react to a play? Oh shut up. You react to the play and call that you see. Who the hell just sits there and ponders whether he should cheer because of the possibility that the review guy will summon the ref to take a look and overturn it? That's moronic.

 

If Devin Hester does a nifty sideline dance to avoid a defender and steps very close to the line, I want to be able to go nuts when he reaches the end zone and the officials raise their hand. I don't want to be thinking "That was cool but I don't know if it's going to count!"

 

You are a freak.

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BTW, I knew you were going to reply like that to me and I just wish I would've told somebody so they'd believe me. :D
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Fair enough. If your fundamental position is so vastly different from mine (entertainment taking precedence over the accuracy of the result, at least to some extent), I can't really argue with you about it.

 

That's not fair enough. His stance on football players is absurd. You don't know how to react to a play? Oh shut up. You react to the play and call that you see. Who the hell just sits there and ponders whether he should cheer because of the possibility that the review guy will summon the ref to take a look and overturn it? That's moronic.

 

If Devin Hester does a nifty sideline dance to avoid a defender and steps very close to the line, I want to be able to go nuts when he reaches the end zone and the officials raise their hand. I don't want to be thinking "That was cool but I don't know if it's going to count!"

 

You know, I don't think the Sports police will come and revoke your fandom if you happen to get excited by a call that's overturned later.

 

i for one am shocked that kyle has taken a position that is contrary to how most people will feel.

 

Next time, keep the personal editorials to yourself.

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You know, I don't think the Sports police will come and revoke your fandom if you happen to get excited by a call that's overturned later.

 

I didn't say they would. I just find it less enjoyable to know that the call on the field isn't necessarily how it's going to turn out.

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You know, I don't think the Sports police will come and revoke your fandom if you happen to get excited by a call that's overturned later.

 

I didn't say they would. I just find it less enjoyable to know that the call on the field isn't necessarily how it's going to turn out.

Curious, would you be in favor of ditching replay entirely in the NFL?

 

If so, then cool, agree to disagree and all that.

 

If not, then the hurdles you're putting up can be worked around.

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Curious, would you be in favor of ditching replay entirely in the NFL?

 

If so, then cool, agree to disagree and all that.

 

If not, then the hurdles you're putting up can be worked around.

 

Yes. I have no use for replay in any sport. I understand why other people prefer it, but it is not my preference.

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Fair enough. If your fundamental position is so vastly different from mine (entertainment taking precedence over the accuracy of the result, at least to some extent), I can't really argue with you about it.

 

That's not fair enough. His stance on football players is absurd. You don't know how to react to a play? Oh shut up. You react to the play and call that you see. Who the hell just sits there and ponders whether he should cheer because of the possibility that the review guy will summon the ref to take a look and overturn it? That's moronic.

His stance on football is not absurd. As it is, a TD isn't a TD until the replay official confirms it.

 

It doesn't bother me personally, but it's easy to see how it bothers some folks.

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Using a Hester return as an example isn't all that great of an example anyways because honestly every time he returns a kick to the house my first though is "is there a flag?". I mean yes I get excited during the return but there is still always that couple seconds at the end of the return that I am listening to the announcers intently about a flag being thrown or not.

 

In fact overall I'd say the fear of a penalty flag being thrown trumps my fear of a replay overturn in most cases. Special teams or otherwise.

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Fair enough. If your fundamental position is so vastly different from mine (entertainment taking precedence over the accuracy of the result, at least to some extent), I can't really argue with you about it.

 

That's not fair enough. His stance on football players is absurd. You don't know how to react to a play? Oh shut up. You react to the play and call that you see. Who the hell just sits there and ponders whether he should cheer because of the possibility that the review guy will summon the ref to take a look and overturn it? That's moronic.

His stance on football is not absurd. As it is, a TD isn't a TD until the replay official confirms it.

 

It doesn't bother me personally, but it's easy to see how it bothers some folks.

 

It isn't like every scoring play is literally being reviewed though. Only the close calls get reviewed. If a guy runs into the end zone untouched you aren't holding your breath about a replay, you are just hoping there isn't a penalty.

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It isn't like every scoring play is literally being reviewed though. Only the close calls get reviewed. If a guy runs into the end zone untouched you aren't holding your breath about a replay, you are just hoping there isn't a penalty.

 

No one said otherwise. But a lot of plays are clearly close enough that you know the call on the field is irrelevant, it's going to review. It robs those moments of their significance.

 

Two options for next week's Cubs news:

 

A) Albert Pujols signs a 5 year/$100 million contract with the Cubs.

B )Albert Pujols says he wants to sign with the Cubs, but reserves the right to change his mind over the next few weeks.

 

One is clearly more exciting than the other.

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It isn't like every scoring play is literally being reviewed though. Only the close calls get reviewed. If a guy runs into the end zone untouched you aren't holding your breath about a replay, you are just hoping there isn't a penalty.

 

No one said otherwise. But a lot of plays are clearly close enough that you know the call on the field is irrelevant, it's going to review. It robs those moments of their significance.

 

Two options for next week's Cubs news:

 

A) Albert Pujols signs a 5 year/$100 million contract with the Cubs.

B )Albert Pujols says he wants to sign with the Cubs, but reserves the right to change his mind over the next few weeks.

 

One is clearly more exciting than the other.

 

I think that's a pretty poor example. I don't know about you, but I'd say both those bits of news would be pretty [expletive] exciting. I don't think having to wait a week and a half for Theo to be officially official robbed any excitement or enthusiasm from the board. Hell, it might have actually let it simmer and grow. At the very least though, I don't think anyone got to press conference day and thought "You know this is really great, but not nearly as good as it would've been a week ago." Nahh...people were excited about the result.

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It isn't like every scoring play is literally being reviewed though. Only the close calls get reviewed. If a guy runs into the end zone untouched you aren't holding your breath about a replay, you are just hoping there isn't a penalty.

 

No one said otherwise. But a lot of plays are clearly close enough that you know the call on the field is irrelevant, it's going to review. It robs those moments of their significance.

 

Two options for next week's Cubs news:

 

A) Albert Pujols signs a 5 year/$100 million contract with the Cubs.

B )Albert Pujols says he wants to sign with the Cubs, but reserves the right to change his mind over the next few weeks.

 

One is clearly more exciting than the other.

 

I think that's a pretty poor example. I don't know about you, but I'd say both those bits of news would be pretty [expletive] exciting. I don't think having to wait a week and a half for Theo to be officially official robbed any excitement or enthusiasm from the board. Hell, it might have actually let it simmer and grow. At the very least though, I don't think anyone got to press conference day and thought "You know this is really great, but not nearly as good as it would've been a week ago." Nahh...people were excited about the result.

 

C) albert pujols almost signs an extension with the cardinals but then signs a contract with the cubs, but it is incorrectly ruled a cardinals contract.

 

getting things right has value

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I have no idea why they just don't steal the NFL's replay system. Get the right call made.

 

Most of the time a replay would be faster than the old fat manager slowly waddling out and arguing with the umpires for 2-3 minutes and then slowly waddling back to the dugout.

 

I'm also in favor of computers calling strikes and balls.

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I have no idea why they just don't steal the NFL's replay system. Get the right call made.

 

Most of the time a replay would be faster than the old fat manager slowly waddling out and arguing with the umpires for 2-3 minutes and then slowly waddling back to the dugout.

 

I'm also in favor of computers calling strikes and balls.

 

Football has so many more fast moving parts. Things like possession before a knee hits with three tacklers obscuring the camera makes it very difficult. But baseball replays are so cut and dry it's easy. Fair or foul, safe or out, catch or trap with nobody obstructing the view. Replay technology is so good with the HD picture that it lends itself to complete accuracy. It should work great and not hurt the timing at all, given the times that arguments and umpire huddles already take and how much time it takes between batters anyway. What I wouldn't want is the umpiring crew all leaving the field to watch. That is unnecessary.

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I have no idea why they just don't steal the NFL's replay system. Get the right call made.

 

Most of the time a replay would be faster than the old fat manager slowly waddling out and arguing with the umpires for 2-3 minutes and then slowly waddling back to the dugout.

 

I'm also in favor of computers calling strikes and balls.

 

Football has so many more fast moving parts. Things like possession before a knee hits with three tacklers obscuring the camera makes it very difficult. But baseball replays are so cut and dry it's easy. Fair or foul, safe or out, catch or trap with nobody obstructing the view. Replay technology is so good with the HD picture that it lends itself to complete accuracy. It should work great and not hurt the timing at all, given the times that arguments and umpire huddles already take and how much time it takes between batters anyway. What I wouldn't want is the umpiring crew all leaving the field to watch. That is unnecessary.

 

 

Agreed. Just look at how many times a replay will be shown between pitches now, and how many angles they can get in. The only time-consuming part would be once a call was corrected, where the runners end up. And with basic guidlines laid out in the rules, that wouldn't even take that long.

 

And add me to letting computers call balls and strikes. They already use things like K-Zone anyway to show pitch location immediately after the fact, not sure how there would be a hindrance... other than losing the old-timey feel to the game.

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Totally superficial, but it would kinda suck to lose that split second of waiting for the ump's response and then reacting to it. We'd all get used to reacting to a light or a buzzer or however the hell they'd signify the calls, but that's probably the one part I'd miss most.
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If they go to computers for balls and strikes, I would enjoy have some cheesy displays in the background. Have a pulley system with four big balls to signify balls, and then go ahead and use big red Xs for strikes. A nice effect showing OUT with a scary robotic voice would be tons o fun too. Or maybe they could just have a Jim Henson style puppet behind the dish ready to call this game of inches.
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Totally superficial, but it would kinda suck to lose that split second of waiting for the ump's response and then reacting to it. We'd all get used to reacting to a light or a buzzer or however the hell they'd signify the calls, but that's probably the one part I'd miss most.

 

you'd still need a home plate umpire to call safe and out at home and to call catcher's interference and whether the batter got hit by a pitch and stuff like that. there's no reason you couldn't just put a thing in his ear and let him signal balls and strikes anyway.

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I prefer the NHL style, centralized group looking at things so the umpire / referee crew don't have to leave the field. Just get a radio call from HQ.

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