College Football - Week 7 (Oct. 15th)

[bukie]

I really like GR and Andy's weird Big Ten fixation. I don't get it, but I like it.

I can't help but wonder if it's all due to their feelings that ND is just too good for the Big Ten. They downplay the geographical rivalries, dismiss any evidence of success, and quickly latch onto the SEC as the only conference worthy of calling themselves not terrible.

 

It just can't be that you're overrating your own conference and that's my objection. It must be that I think it's terrible.

I'll sum up the discussion to this point:

 

Assertion: The Big Ten isn't terrible because they have 4 teams in the top 15 of the faux BCS rankings this week.

Your response: They've beefed up on cupcakes to inflate their conference ranking. They're terrible until shown otherwise.

Us: No more than the SEC does, and in fact less. The SEC has better wins, but an overall much weaker OOC schedule.

You: The SEC has better wins, and the Big Ten hasn't beaten anybody.

Us: The Big Ten has at least all played AQ teams, and has beaten ASU and ND

You: That doesn't count because ASU isn't good and anybody can beat ND. Plus Alabama beat PSU, so the SEC is better.

Us: When did we say the SEC wasn't better?

 

I'll handle the summary:

 

Me: rational thought.

You: insanity

 

Oh, is my summary a tad biased?

Of course it is, since that's apparently all you've read in the last 4 pages.

[Tracer Bullet]

There are teams at the top and bottom that are safer bets. The vast majority are in the middle and volatile. Of course OSU can happen, but you'd still get pollster credit for playing the Buckeyes even when they suck. Wisconsin did not think Oregon St was going to be great when they scheduled them and that's a really, really safe bet.

 

Does winning the division mean something now? Is that why the bigx wanted 12 teams, so they could say they won a division with 8 wins some year?

 

ASU is fine, but no one is going to mistake them for a great team. The Pac is down this year, other than Stanford. Benefiting from southern cal's down years doesn't make ASU great.

 

Love the bowl game excuse.

 

Winning the division objectively means an extra conference championship game and a shot at a BCS bowl. They won't be favored by any means, but they have a shot.

 

And are you really denying that the SEC, Pac-12 and ACC don't have an inherent geographical advantage in bowl games? Or are you just going to be smug and dismissive of everything that refutes your subjective dismissal of the Big Ten? Because if that's the case, there's no point in further discussion, since you're not really interested in a discussion.

 

I agree that there are benefits to winning a division. I disagree that winning a division is indicative of a good team.

 

ETA I forgot the bowl thing. I'm sure UW sees itself as having a huge geographic benefit. And I know USC sees the Orange Bowl as a home away from home.

 

Yes, some schools are closer to the bowl location than others. Other than usc playing in the rose bowl type situations, I'm not sure how much of an impact it really has on the outcome. Some northern schools have rabid fans that travel well, some southern schools don't travel as well. Either way, I don't think the difference in travel distance is much of a factor (and my school isn't significantly closer to any bowls).

Maybe the bowl geography annoys me specifically because Illinois' last 3 bowls have been against Baylor in the Texas Bowl, USC in the Rose Bowl, and LSU in the Sugar Bowl. And it looks like this year it'll be the Capital One bowl against Florida, just for kicks.

 

That's a bad run. Not sure geography was the determining factor in any of those games (not sure I know the outcome of all of them, actually).

[minnesotacubsfan]

Maybe the bowl geography annoys me specifically because Illinois' last 3 bowls have been against Baylor in the Texas Bowl, USC in the Rose Bowl, and LSU in the Sugar Bowl. And it looks like this year it'll be the Capital One bowl against Florida, just for kicks.

 

That's a bad run. Not sure geography was the determining factor in any of those games (not sure I know the outcome of all of them, actually).

 

yea but who would want to go the the homeless haven that is B1G Country to play in a Bowl game? Its like a zombie wasteland.

[Tracer Bullet]

its just so difficult having a conversation with someone with a degree

 

also, I completely understand how the B1G must feel with regards to ND. Its like when I was 22 and all the girls in the nightclub would say "our babies would be awesome, but I just dont want to get married yet".

 

:(

 

Except ND is that 40-year-old in the club that used to be hot, but hasn't really been that great since 1993.

 

but she said that too

 

SSR - why are you guys so enamored with ND? Have you ever made a terrible decision based on completely overestimated self importance? The big ten has. And it kills them.

[Tracer Bullet]

I really like GR and Andy's weird Big Ten fixation. I don't get it, but I like it.

I can't help but wonder if it's all due to their feelings that ND is just too good for the Big Ten. They downplay the geographical rivalries, dismiss any evidence of success, and quickly latch onto the SEC as the only conference worthy of calling themselves not terrible.

 

It just can't be that you're overrating your own conference and that's my objection. It must be that I think it's terrible.

I'll sum up the discussion to this point:

 

Assertion: The Big Ten isn't terrible because they have 4 teams in the top 15 of the faux BCS rankings this week.

Your response: They've beefed up on cupcakes to inflate their conference ranking. They're terrible until shown otherwise.

Us: No more than the SEC does, and in fact less. The SEC has better wins, but an overall much weaker OOC schedule.

You: The SEC has better wins, and the Big Ten hasn't beaten anybody.

Us: The Big Ten has at least all played AQ teams, and has beaten ASU and ND

You: That doesn't count because ASU isn't good and anybody can beat ND. Plus Alabama beat PSU, so the SEC is better.

Us: When did we say the SEC wasn't better?

 

I'll handle the summary:

 

Me: rational thought.

You: insanity

 

Oh, is my summary a tad biased?

Of course it is, since that's apparently all you've read in the last 4 pages.

Your summary includes my saying the big ten is terrible. You're terrible at unbiased summaries.

[SouthSideRyan]

More like Socrates's revenge.

[Guest]

Beebe was never the reason the conference fell apart, he was just really ineffective at his job once it did start falling apart. There aren't many people who would do better than he did. If you're looking for fault, look at Texas for never figuring out what a Nash equilibrium is, Nebraska for voting against equal revenue sharing then bolting for equal revenue sharing when it turns out they aren't the royalty they thought they were, aTm for similarly crying foul when the rules only favored them some instead of lots, and throw Oklahoma in for good measure.

 

Does Missouri get any blame for spreading its legs to the Big 10 last year and, after things had apparently stabilized this year, flashing a tatty at the SEC?

 

Does CU get any blame for bolting? Probably not. No one really cared about CU.

 

Mizzou's voted for equality in the conference at every turn, even recently when it would've cost them money. Mizzou's two flirtations(although the "promiscuous woman" metaphors have gotten really stale) with other conferences have come

 

1-When power brokers of the conference were threatening to bolt and leave the remaining schools without a home

2-After 25% of the conference has left, and the remaining power brokers tried and failed to leave(but still insist on keeping the inequalities that caused the instability), while simultaneously having the good fortune of having a potential out to the SEC.

 

If people want to blame Mizzou, that's their prerogative I guess. But at the root of all the instability is that the schools don't share revenues like every other stable conference does, which is something Mizzou's pushed at every opportunity. Blaming them(or someone like Oklahoma State) for reacting to the circumstances that came about as a result is up to you.

[Tracer Bullet]

its just so difficult having a conversation with someone with a degree

 

also, I completely understand how the B1G must feel with regards to ND. Its like when I was 22 and all the girls in the nightclub would say "our babies would be awesome, but I just dont want to get married yet".

 

:(

 

Except ND is that 40-year-old in the club that used to be hot, but hasn't really been that great since 1993.

 

And EJ is the guy that can't take his eyes of her, will have a buddy ask for her number, publicly declare he's too good for her when she shoots him down, and then go home and rub one out fantasizing about her.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I dont think its so much "blame Mizzou" as it is how royally fucked KU, KS, and the like really are.

[bukie]

Honest question: how many OOC wins are clearly better than Illinois' vs. ASU this year? I'd wager fewer than 5. The only one I'd say for sure was LSU over Oregon, and even that is questionable if ASU beats Oregon this weekend. LSU over West Virginia is arguable, Alabama over PSU is comparable, Arkansas over A&M is comparable, Boise State over Georgia is comparable. Aside from that, there really haven't been any non-conference games between two top-25 teams.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Have you ever made a terrible decision based on completely overestimated self importance?

 

are you saying it would be a huge mistake for the B1G to recruit/accept ND into the conference?

[E.J.]

its just so difficult having a conversation with someone with a degree

 

also, I completely understand how the B1G must feel with regards to ND. Its like when I was 22 and all the girls in the nightclub would say "our babies would be awesome, but I just dont want to get married yet".

 

:(

 

Except ND is that 40-year-old in the club that used to be hot, but hasn't really been that great since 1993.

 

And EJ is the guy that can't take his eyes of her, will have a buddy ask for her number, publicly declare he's too good for her when she shoots him down, and then go home and rub one out fantasizing about her.

 

No, I'm the guy who's taken her home a few times and just tired of seeing her. I'm tired of playing ND every year and tired of hearing speculation of ND coming to the Big Ten. I want them to go to the ACC so we can stop hearing about them.

[BleacherBadger]

Honest question: how many OOC wins are clearly better than Illinois' vs. ASU this year? I'd wager fewer than 5. The only one I'd say for sure was LSU over Oregon, and even that is questionable if ASU beats Oregon this weekend. LSU over West Virginia is arguable, Alabama over PSU is comparable, Arkansas over A&M is comparable, Boise State over Georgia is comparable. Aside from that, there really haven't been any non-conference games between two top-25 teams.

 

Oklahoma at FSU

Clemson vs Auburn

USC over Minny

[bukie]

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[Derwood]

Chris Spielman was on the local radio station dispelling the rumor that Urban Meyer interviewed with the PSU AD. He says they were in Pittsburgh on the day it supposedly happened

[bukie]

Big East to consider adding 6 football schools

 

The list of possible schools? Memphis, Temple, Central Florida, East Carolina, Army, Navy, Air Force, and Villanova.

[minnesotacubsfan]

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ahahahahah

[Butterscup1679666578]

Beebe was never the reason the conference fell apart, he was just really ineffective at his job once it did start falling apart. There aren't many people who would do better than he did. If you're looking for fault, look at Texas for never figuring out what a Nash equilibrium is, Nebraska for voting against equal revenue sharing then bolting for equal revenue sharing when it turns out they aren't the royalty they thought they were, aTm for similarly crying foul when the rules only favored them some instead of lots, and throw Oklahoma in for good measure.

 

Does Missouri get any blame for spreading its legs to the Big 10 last year and, after things had apparently stabilized this year, flashing a tatty at the SEC?

 

Does CU get any blame for bolting? Probably not. No one really cared about CU.

 

Let's not pretend that the Big 12(10) is stable right now.

Edited October 10, 2011 by Butterscup

[minnesotacubsfan]

Beebe was never the reason the conference fell apart, he was just really ineffective at his job once it did start falling apart. There aren't many people who would do better than he did. If you're looking for fault, look at Texas for never figuring out what a Nash equilibrium is, Nebraska for voting against equal revenue sharing then bolting for equal revenue sharing when it turns out they aren't the royalty they thought they were, aTm for similarly crying foul when the rules only favored them some instead of lots, and throw Oklahoma in for good measure.

 

Does Missouri get any blame for spreading its legs to the Big 10 last year and, after things had apparently stabilized this year, flashing a tatty at the SEC?

 

Does CU get any blame for bolting? Probably not. No one really cared about CU.

 

Let's not pretend that the Big 10 is stable right now.

 

we like whores just as much as the Pac 10 does.

[Butterscup1679666578]

I edited my post with what I really meant.

[NewUserName]

I think all B1G schools should just quit playing ND and be done with it. It may sound petty, but if ND would rather play in the Big East/ACC, well have at it.

 

Also, besides the top 5 or 6 teams who really is good by most people standards? It just so happens that the SEC has 2 of those teams. There overall depth is not that much better than the Big 12 or B1G or even the ACC

[minnesotacubsfan]

I edited my post with what I really meant.

 

 

we know what you meant.

[Butterscup1679666578]

I edited my post with what I really meant.

 

 

we know what you meant.

 

no you dont

[minnesotacubsfan]

BUT SNOOD TOLD ME SO

[Butterscup1679666578]

i was just implying you couldn't read (B1G and all)