College Football - Week 7 (Oct. 15th)

Tracer Bullet · October 10, 2011

Every single B1G team played an AQ school in their non-con

2 SEC schools will not.

And yet, the most impressive wins will be 3-points over ASU or UM watching ND shoot itself in the foot repeatedly with a grenade launcher and winning at the last second. What are the SEC's best OOC wins?

Old Style · October 10, 2011

Every single B1G team played an AQ school in their non-con

2 SEC schools will not.

Which SEC schools? Vandy? Ole Miss? Mississippi State? Kentucky?

UMFan83 · October 10, 2011

UM - ND (W)

MSU - @ ND (L)

PUR - ND (L)

IND - UVA (L)

NW - @ BC (W)

IL - ASU (W)

PSU - ALA (L)

OSU - @ MIA (L), COL (W)

MIN - @ USC (L)

IOWA - @ ISU (L), PIT (W)

NEB - WAS (W)

WIS - OR ST (W)

14 games against AQ schools (and ND), 7-7 record....5 road games (1-4) 9 home games (6-3)....Currently ranked teams played (2, with ND also receiving votes) (L vs. ALA, W vs. ASU)....Overall opponent record 44-33.

SouthSideRyan · October 10, 2011

Every single B1G team played an AQ school in their non-con

2 SEC schools will not.

And yet, the most impressive wins will be 3-points over ASU or UM watching ND shoot itself in the foot repeatedly with a grenade launcher and winning at the last second. What are the SEC's best OOC wins?

Better than the Big Ten's. Doesn't make what you wrote less wrong.

SouthSideRyan · October 10, 2011

Every single B1G team played an AQ school in their non-con

2 SEC schools will not.
Which SEC schools? Vandy? Ole Miss? Mississippi State? Kentucky?

Mississippi State and Mississippi University

bcl412 · October 10, 2011

Big Ten would have 4 teams in the top 15, not bad for a down year. People get too caught up with Minnesota, Purdue and Indiana, who range from bad to terrible but the rest of the conference is still pretty solid.

How would you know? They don't play anyone. What's the best OOC win? The squeaked against ASU or UM needing 4 TOs, missed FGs, and about 6 consecutive prayers answered to beat an average ND team? (A top ten team yet to play an away game finally travels 90 miles West this week) The entire conference starts with cupcakes and maybe 1 AQ school. Then 6 weeks in they look back and see which 4 teams are still defeated and say "but the top of the conference is solid."

The argument is pretty much that the Big Ten is better than the ACC, Big East and Pac 10.

Ohio State beat Colorado

Iowa beat Pittsburgh

Northwestern beat Boston College at their place

Illinois beat Arizona State

Wisconsin beat Oregon State

Nebraska beat Washington

The worst teams, Indiana and Minnesota almost beat Virginia (Virginia isn't good so that may not be relevant) and USC

Time will still tell how impressive, or not impressive some of those games are but it shows that the Big Ten is playing and beating those conferences.

The only loss I can find by the Big Ten to any of those teams is OSU vs Miami.

Of the three teams in the top 15 they have beat good teams. Michigan beat Notre Dame who I think will finish in the top 25 and Illinois beat Arizona State. Wisconsin hasn't beat anyone outside of conference but I find it hard to argue that they aren't a top 5 team regardless. They would compete with and beat almost anyone in the country.

Edited October 10, 2011 by bcl412

minnesotacubsfan · October 10, 2011

The worst teams, Indiana and Minnesota almost beat Virginia and USC

juuuuuuuuuust pile it on why dont ya

Tracer Bullet · October 10, 2011

Big Ten would have 4 teams in the top 15, not bad for a down year. People get too caught up with Minnesota, Purdue and Indiana, who range from bad to terrible but the rest of the conference is still pretty solid.

How would you know? They don't play anyone. What's the best OOC win? The squeaked against ASU or UM needing 4 TOs, missed FGs, and about 6 consecutive prayers answered to beat an average ND team? (A top ten team yet to play an away game finally travels 90 miles West this week) The entire conference starts with cupcakes and maybe 1 AQ school. Then 6 weeks in they look back and see which 4 teams are still defeated and say "but the top of the conference is solid."

The argument is pretty much that the Big Ten is better than the ACC, Big East and Pac 10.

Ohio State beat Colorado
Iowa beat Pittsburgh
Northwestern beat Boston College at their place
Illinois beat Arizona State
Wisconsin beat Oregon State
Nebraska beat Washington
The worst teams, Indiana and Minnesota almost beat Virginia (Virginia isn't good so that may not be relevant) and USC

Time will still tell how impressive, or not impressive some of those games are but it shows that the Big Ten is playing and beating those conferences.

The only loss I can find by the Big Ten to any of those teams is OSU vs Miami.

Of the three teams in the top 15 they have beat good teams. Michigan beat Notre Dame who I think will finish in the top 25 and Illinois beat Arizona State. Wisconsin hasn't beat anyone outside of conference but I find it hard to argue that they aren't a top 5 team regardless. They would compete with and beat almost anyone in the country.

The ND team that lost to Michigan would have lost to almost anyone in the country. That's not a quality win.

My point is, it's difficult to look at the bigx records or schedules and conclude that it's a strong conference bc of the lack of quality games. If you claim that the top of the conference is solid, you need to base that on something. The wins those teams have aren't impressive though. So what's the conclusion based on? An undefeated record in games against bad teams isn't enough.

Tracer Bullet · October 10, 2011

Every single B1G team played an AQ school in their non-con

2 SEC schools will not.

And yet, the most impressive wins will be 3-points over ASU or UM watching ND shoot itself in the foot repeatedly with a grenade launcher and winning at the last second. What are the SEC's best OOC wins?

Better than the Big Ten's. Doesn't make what you wrote less wrong.

That the bigx OOC schedule is too poor (esp among top teams) to support the conclusion that it's solid at the top?

It's funny, a few years ago, it looked like 2 of the best teams would have decent OOC games (Iowa and OSU). Turns out they both suck this year.

bukie · October 10, 2011

A&H updated their ratings. For your amusement:

1. Oklahoma. 0.843

2. Alabama. 0.838

3. LSU. 0.824

4. Oklahoma State. 0.82

5. Boise State. 0.816

6. Michigan. 0.808

7. Clemson. 0.801

8. Illinois. 0.79

9. Kansas State. 0.788

10. Georgia Tech. 0.783

11. Texas. 0.782

12. Stanford. 0.777

13. South Carolina. 0.755

14. Houston. 0.751

15. Wisconsin. 0.727

16. Arkansas. 0.725

17. Baylor. 0.718

18. North Carolina. 0.706

19. Arizona State. 0.701

20. Virginia Tech. 0.697

21. Nebraska. 0.696

22. USC. 0.683

23. West Virginia. 0.683

24. Penn State. 0.683

25. Rutgers. 0.682

SouthSideRyan · October 10, 2011

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My point is, it's difficult to look at the bigx records or schedules and conclude that it's a strong conference bc of the lack of quality games. If you claim that the top of the conference is solid, you need to base that on something. The wins those teams have aren't impressive though. So what's the conclusion based on? An undefeated record in games against bad teams isn't enough.

When you have 4 non-conference games per year, and nearly every school choose at least 2 cupcakes out of those 4, how can you determine anybody's ever any good?

Are you going to argue that we don't know if Wisconsin is good yet?

SouthSideRyan · October 10, 2011

The SEC teams usually play at least 1 game against an AQ school (some bigx teams do to, though the quality of opponent varies).

If you're not outright saying it, you're certainly implying that SEC schools are loading up on BCS schools while most Big Ten teams play nothing but schools like Buffalo, New Mexico State, and Texas A&M

bukie · October 10, 2011

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My point is, it's difficult to look at the bigx records or schedules and conclude that it's a strong conference bc of the lack of quality games. If you claim that the top of the conference is solid, you need to base that on something. The wins those teams have aren't impressive though. So what's the conclusion based on? An undefeated record in games against bad teams isn't enough.

When you have 4 non-conference games per year, and nearly every school choose at least 2 cupcakes out of those 4, how can you determine anybody's ever any good?

Are you going to argue that we don't know if Wisconsin is good yet?

It's the teams fault for not knowing 3 years in advance if their opponents this year would be terrible.

minnesotacubsfan · October 10, 2011

A&H updated their ratings. For your amusement:

1. Oklahoma. 0.843
2. Alabama. 0.838
3. LSU. 0.824
4. Oklahoma State. 0.82
5. Boise State. 0.816
6. Michigan. 0.808
7. Clemson. 0.801
8. Illinois. 0.79
9. Kansas State. 0.788
10. Georgia Tech. 0.783
11. Texas. 0.782
12. Stanford. 0.777
13. South Carolina. 0.755
14. Houston. 0.751
15. Wisconsin. 0.727
16. Arkansas. 0.725
17. Baylor. 0.718
18. North Carolina. 0.706
19. Arizona State. 0.701
20. Virginia Tech. 0.697
21. Nebraska. 0.696
22. USC. 0.683
23. West Virginia. 0.683
24. Penn State. 0.683
25. Rutgers. 0.682

Michigan and Illinois over Wisconsin? did Wisconsin lose on Saturday???

bcl412 · October 10, 2011

Big Ten would have 4 teams in the top 15, not bad for a down year. People get too caught up with Minnesota, Purdue and Indiana, who range from bad to terrible but the rest of the conference is still pretty solid.

How would you know? They don't play anyone. What's the best OOC win? The squeaked against ASU or UM needing 4 TOs, missed FGs, and about 6 consecutive prayers answered to beat an average ND team? (A top ten team yet to play an away game finally travels 90 miles West this week) The entire conference starts with cupcakes and maybe 1 AQ school. Then 6 weeks in they look back and see which 4 teams are still defeated and say "but the top of the conference is solid."

The argument is pretty much that the Big Ten is better than the ACC, Big East and Pac 10.

Ohio State beat Colorado
Iowa beat Pittsburgh
Northwestern beat Boston College at their place
Illinois beat Arizona State
Wisconsin beat Oregon State
Nebraska beat Washington
The worst teams, Indiana and Minnesota almost beat Virginia (Virginia isn't good so that may not be relevant) and USC

Time will still tell how impressive, or not impressive some of those games are but it shows that the Big Ten is playing and beating those conferences.

The only loss I can find by the Big Ten to any of those teams is OSU vs Miami.

Of the three teams in the top 15 they have beat good teams. Michigan beat Notre Dame who I think will finish in the top 25 and Illinois beat Arizona State. Wisconsin hasn't beat anyone outside of conference but I find it hard to argue that they aren't a top 5 team regardless. They would compete with and beat almost anyone in the country.

The ND team that lost to Michigan would have lost to almost anyone in the country. That's not a quality win.

My point is, it's difficult to look at the bigx records or schedules and conclude that it's a strong conference bc of the lack of quality games. If you claim that the top of the conference is solid, you need to base that on something. The wins those teams have aren't impressive though. So what's the conclusion based on? An undefeated record in games against bad teams isn't enough.

Who has Alabama (Penn State is comparable to the Notre Dame win you keep trying to discredit) , Oklahoma (Florida State isn't impressive now), Boise State (Georgia hasn't beaten anyone in the Non-Con season), Oklahoma State, Stanford, Oregon, Georgia Tech and South Carolina beat in the Non-Conference (all top 15 teams)?

bukie · October 10, 2011

A&H updated their ratings. For your amusement:

1. Oklahoma. 0.843
2. Alabama. 0.838
3. LSU. 0.824
4. Oklahoma State. 0.82
5. Boise State. 0.816
6. Michigan. 0.808
7. Clemson. 0.801
8. Illinois. 0.79
9. Kansas State. 0.788
10. Georgia Tech. 0.783
11. Texas. 0.782
12. Stanford. 0.777
13. South Carolina. 0.755
14. Houston. 0.751
15. Wisconsin. 0.727
16. Arkansas. 0.725
17. Baylor. 0.718
18. North Carolina. 0.706
19. Arizona State. 0.701
20. Virginia Tech. 0.697
21. Nebraska. 0.696
22. USC. 0.683
23. West Virginia. 0.683
24. Penn State. 0.683
25. Rutgers. 0.682

Michigan and Illinois over Wisconsin? did Wisconsin lose on Saturday???

These rankings are based on three primary factors: W/L, the teams you play, and the conference you're in. Thus, for teams in the same conference without a loss, SOS is the only differentiating factor. Wisconsin has played the weakest schedule of any undefeated team, and thus, there you are.

SouthSideRyan · October 10, 2011

A&H updated their ratings. For your amusement:

1. Oklahoma. 0.843
2. Alabama. 0.838
3. LSU. 0.824
4. Oklahoma State. 0.82
5. Boise State. 0.816
6. Michigan. 0.808
7. Clemson. 0.801
8. Illinois. 0.79
9. Kansas State. 0.788
10. Georgia Tech. 0.783
11. Texas. 0.782
12. Stanford. 0.777
13. South Carolina. 0.755
14. Houston. 0.751
15. Wisconsin. 0.727
16. Arkansas. 0.725
17. Baylor. 0.718
18. North Carolina. 0.706
19. Arizona State. 0.701
20. Virginia Tech. 0.697
21. Nebraska. 0.696
22. USC. 0.683
23. West Virginia. 0.683
24. Penn State. 0.683
25. Rutgers. 0.682

Michigan and Illinois over Wisconsin? did Wisconsin lose on Saturday???

They beat a Big Ten team, but we don't know if any of them are any good, so the win barely counts.

ETA: Actually, they were idle

Edited October 10, 2011 by SouthSideRyan

snoodmonger · October 10, 2011

I'll be surprised of anyone on KU's team even survives this weekend. I wonder if Stoops will pull his starters at the end of the second quarter like Gundy did.

Magnetic Curses · October 10, 2011

also, nebraska for some reason decided to start throwing the ball when they cannot throw and they weren;t having trouble running it.

minnesotacubsfan · October 10, 2011

A&H updated their ratings. For your amusement:

1. Oklahoma. 0.843
2. Alabama. 0.838
3. LSU. 0.824
4. Oklahoma State. 0.82
5. Boise State. 0.816
6. Michigan. 0.808
7. Clemson. 0.801
8. Illinois. 0.79
9. Kansas State. 0.788
10. Georgia Tech. 0.783
11. Texas. 0.782
12. Stanford. 0.777
13. South Carolina. 0.755
14. Houston. 0.751
15. Wisconsin. 0.727
16. Arkansas. 0.725
17. Baylor. 0.718
18. North Carolina. 0.706
19. Arizona State. 0.701
20. Virginia Tech. 0.697
21. Nebraska. 0.696
22. USC. 0.683
23. West Virginia. 0.683
24. Penn State. 0.683
25. Rutgers. 0.682

Michigan and Illinois over Wisconsin? did Wisconsin lose on Saturday???

These rankings are based on three primary factors: W/L, the teams you play, and the conference you're in. Thus, for teams in the same conference without a loss, SOS is the only differentiating factor. Wisconsin has played the weakest schedule of any undefeated team, and thus, there you are.

HA! proof that Minnesota is clearly GREAT.

SouthSideRyan · October 10, 2011

So if Michigan beats MSU, and Illinois beats OSU, we become the clear best shot at taking down Wisconsin in the regular season.

minnesotacubsfan · October 10, 2011

Beebe was just looking out for you, Mizzou:

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7080495/ex-big-12-commish-dan-beebe-says-pushed-big-12-revenue-sharing

bukie · October 10, 2011

So if Michigan beats MSU, and Illinois beats OSU, we become the clear best shot at taking down Wisconsin in the regular season.

And Michigan, at that rate.

bukie · October 10, 2011

Also, knock PSU's offense, but they're sitting 5-1 with their only loss being 16 points to Alabama, which looks more impressive in hindsight.

October 10, 2011

Beebe was never the reason the conference fell apart, he was just really ineffective at his job once it did start falling apart. There aren't many people who would do better than he did. If you're looking for fault, look at Texas for never figuring out what a Nash equilibrium is, Nebraska for voting against equal revenue sharing then bolting for equal revenue sharing when it turns out they aren't the royalty they thought they were, aTm for similarly crying foul when the rules only favored them some instead of lots, and throw Oklahoma in for good measure.

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