Furcal to Cardinals

[MWV]

I thought you were "sitting out" the remainder of this season.

 

I can keep up with the team and point out their follies without watching them.

Wow. You must be tons of fun.

[NonProfitCow]

Just wanted to note to nobody in particular that the hope and savior of the St. Louis center field has a .710 OPS over the past two months. That's a guy you sacrifice the better talent for, especially when you have no shot of getting into the NLCS.

but but but but Rasmus was disappointing and his dad is a meanie and TLR will be in the HOF and that Jon Jay just Looks Like A Ballplayer™

[NonProfitCow]

I thought you were "sitting out" the remainder of this season.

 

I can keep up with the team and point out their follies without watching them.

Wow. You must be tons of fun.

Yeah. We should just sit back and say Go Team without using any critical thinking.

[Formerly Snayke]

I thought you were "sitting out" the remainder of this season.

 

I can keep up with the team and point out their follies without watching them.

Wow. You must be tons of fun.

 

I guess.

[MWV]

I thought you were "sitting out" the remainder of this season.

 

I can keep up with the team and point out their follies without watching them.

Wow. You must be tons of fun.

Yeah. We should just sit back and say Go Team without using any critical thinking.

Or maybe try to enjoy your team being competitive. I'm sure it sucks having only won the NL pennant twice in the last 7 seasons, but bitching to Cubs fans about the woeful mismanagement of the Cardinals is kind of like showing up to a funeral and complaining about the weather.

[Formerly Snayke]

I thought you were "sitting out" the remainder of this season.

 

I can keep up with the team and point out their follies without watching them.

Wow. You must be tons of fun.

Yeah. We should just sit back and say Go Team without using any critical thinking.

Or maybe try to enjoy your team being competitive. I'm sure it sucks having only won the NL pennant twice in the last 7 seasons, but bitching to Cubs fans about the woeful mismanagement of the Cardinals' personnel is kind of like showing up to a funeral and complaining about the weather.

 

I don't think it's on that level.

[MWV]

I don't think it's on that level.

Who am I to argue perspective with a guy who thinks Todd Wellemeyer's 377.2 innings of 98 ERA+ pitching represents an organizational nadir.

[Formerly Snayke]

I don't think it's on that level.

Who am I to argue perspective with a guy who thinks Todd Wellemeyer's 377.2 innings of 98 ERA+ pitching represents an organizational nadir.

 

Speaking of going over-the-top...

[biittner77]

$22 million is pretty far from his asking price of $30 million. Couple that with them apparently not being willing to offer him more than 6 years, the only way I could see him taking something like $22 million is if they bend and give him the 10 years he wants. They're going to have to either bend on on the money or the years; he can shave a little off either way for the hometown team, but I'd have to imagine he'll be getting a ton of pressure from the union to not settle like that.

 

And these other changes really don't sound all that impressive. Again, Rasmus gone = downgrade. In your scenario Furcal's bat is essentially replacing Berkman's = downgrade. Jackson is arguably an upgrade over Carpenter at this point, but then you have the question of what to do with Wainwright. His deal is effectively up this year as well unless they decide to go ahead with the team options in 2012 and 2013.

 

If anything it seems like they're gathering pieces to potentially build a team post-Pujols as opposed to one "for" him.

 

It doesn't seem like anyone wants to give Pujols the 30m/ 10 year deal he's looking for, especially considering how the usual suspects don't "need" him since they are already paying big contracts to good players at his position.

 

Pujols would probably make sense for a team like the Orioles who could probably pay him what he wants but would Pujols take less money to stay with the Cards? If the money is pretty close, he just might.

[Sammy Sofa]

$22 million is pretty far from his asking price of $30 million. Couple that with them apparently not being willing to offer him more than 6 years, the only way I could see him taking something like $22 million is if they bend and give him the 10 years he wants. They're going to have to either bend on on the money or the years; he can shave a little off either way for the hometown team, but I'd have to imagine he'll be getting a ton of pressure from the union to not settle like that.

 

And these other changes really don't sound all that impressive. Again, Rasmus gone = downgrade. In your scenario Furcal's bat is essentially replacing Berkman's = downgrade. Jackson is arguably an upgrade over Carpenter at this point, but then you have the question of what to do with Wainwright. His deal is effectively up this year as well unless they decide to go ahead with the team options in 2012 and 2013.

 

If anything it seems like they're gathering pieces to potentially build a team post-Pujols as opposed to one "for" him.

 

It doesn't seem like anyone wants to give Pujols the 30m/ 10 year deal he's looking for, especially considering how the usual suspects don't "need" him since they are already paying big contracts to good players at his position.

 

Pujols would probably make sense for a team like the Orioles who could probably pay him what he wants but would Pujols take less money to stay with the Cards? If the money is pretty close, he just might.

 

The thing is that their reported offer wasn't close in money or years. And unless almost all of their recent moves are smoke and mirrors and they're going to let of ton of players go after this season then they're going to have to drastically raise their payroll to keep him. There's taking a hometown discount...and then there's him taking anything like what the Cardinals have offered so far AKA delusional insanity.

[SouthSideRyan]

I think the hometown discount left town with their insulting offer last offseason.

[dew1679666265]

It doesn't seem like anyone wants to give Pujols the 30m/ 10 year deal he's looking for, especially considering how the usual suspects don't "need" him since they are already paying big contracts to good players at his position.

 

I could see both the Angels and Blue Jays giving him that type of contract potentially. Both have tons of money to spend and nothing set in stone at first base (Trumbo for Anaheim and Lind for Toronto).

[SouthSideRyan]

It doesn't seem like anyone wants to give Pujols the 30m/ 10 year deal he's looking for, especially considering how the usual suspects don't "need" him since they are already paying big contracts to good players at his position.

 

I could see both the Angels and Blue Jays giving him that type of contract potentially. Both have tons of money to spend and nothing set in stone at first base (Trumbo for Anaheim and Lind for Toronto).

 

I think the Angels will put that money towards giving Vernon Wells a raise.

[dew1679666265]

It doesn't seem like anyone wants to give Pujols the 30m/ 10 year deal he's looking for, especially considering how the usual suspects don't "need" him since they are already paying big contracts to good players at his position.

 

I could see both the Angels and Blue Jays giving him that type of contract potentially. Both have tons of money to spend and nothing set in stone at first base (Trumbo for Anaheim and Lind for Toronto).

 

I think the Angels will put that money towards giving Vernon Wells a raise.

 

That was a horrid trade. His salary is going down after this year, though, and they still have $60 million (minus arbitration raises) to spend next year.

 

On a side note, where is all the angst (nationally) over Wells' contract when people rip Soriano's to shreds? Wells has been a little more productive overall, but not that much. I'm not defending Soriano's contract by any means, but it doesn't seem like people are as aghast over Wells' as Soriano's.

[Tarver]

It doesn't seem like anyone wants to give Pujols the 30m/ 10 year deal he's looking for, especially considering how the usual suspects don't "need" him since they are already paying big contracts to good players at his position.

 

I could see both the Angels and Blue Jays giving him that type of contract potentially. Both have tons of money to spend and nothing set in stone at first base (Trumbo for Anaheim and Lind for Toronto).

 

I think the Angels will put that money towards giving Vernon Wells a raise.

 

That was a horrid trade. His salary is going down after this year, though, and they still have $60 million (minus arbitration raises) to spend next year.

 

On a side note, where is all the angst (nationally) over Wells' contract when people rip Soriano's to shreds? Wells has been a little more productive overall, but not that much. I'm not defending Soriano's contract by any means, but it doesn't seem like people are as aghast over Wells' as Soriano's.

 

He was extended in the shadow of the Soriano signing. IMO Soriano gets most of the heat because his contract came first that offseason, setting the market for all the foolishness that followed.

[dew1679666265]

He was extended in the shadow of the Soriano signing. IMO Soriano gets most of the heat because his contract came first that offseason, setting the market for all the foolishness that followed.

 

That may be it. It may also be that the Cubs have this stigma of perception that they have these humongous, monstrous contracts weighing them down and Soriano's is an example of that. Whereas the Blue Jays and Angels haven't been hurting for money during the duration of Wells' stay.

[Tarver]

Speaking of which, has there ever been such a collective bout of insanity in the history of MLB as the stupid $ thrown around in 2006?

 

Soriano 8/136

Wells 7/126

Lee 6/100

Suppan 4/42

Pierre 5/45

GMJ 5/50

Zito 7/126

Schmidt 3/47

Lugo 4/36

Dice K 6/102

Baez 3/20

Meche 5/55

 

Just look at all that trash. Some of these deals are considered the worst in MLB history, while others like Suppan's are the worst in that respective teams history. All in one offseason.

[Rob]

Speaking of which, has there ever been such a collective bout of insanity in the history of MLB as the stupid $ thrown around in 2006?

 

Soriano 8/136

Wells 7/126

Lee 6/100

Suppan 4/42

Pierre 5/45

GMJ 5/50

Zito 7/126

Schmidt 3/47

Lugo 4/36

Dice K 6/102

Baez 3/20

Meche 5/55

 

Just look at all that trash. Some of these deals are considered the worst in MLB history, while others like Suppan's are the worst in that respective teams history. All in one offseason.

 

The Meche deal doesn't look so bad now.

[Tarver]

Speaking of which, has there ever been such a collective bout of insanity in the history of MLB as the stupid $ thrown around in 2006?

 

Soriano 8/136

Wells 7/126

Lee 6/100

Suppan 4/42

Pierre 5/45

GMJ 5/50

Zito 7/126

Schmidt 3/47

Lugo 4/36

Dice K 6/102

Baez 3/20

Meche 5/55

 

Just look at all that trash. Some of these deals are considered the worst in MLB history, while others like Suppan's are the worst in that respective teams history. All in one offseason.

 

The Meche deal doesn't look so bad now.

 

No, but it took an outlier year and him retiring in the middle of the contract for that to happen.

[Careless]

I didn't realize all of those contracts were expiring. but, berkman is a free agent as is carpenter and pujols. Thats 38 million to work with right there. .

Anyone else read this and get really angry?