2012 Draft Discussion

[Guest]

Speaking of lefties, is AJ Vanegas draft eligible? Garrioch keeps putting him in his stuff, but I don't see him elsewhere. If so, he'd be a solid lefty to add to the mix in the top 100 or so picks, wouldn't he?

 

Vanegas is draft eligible but he's a righty. I'd say he's more a top 250 guy or lower.

[davell]

Speaking of lefties, is AJ Vanegas draft eligible? Garrioch keeps putting him in his stuff, but I don't see him elsewhere. If so, he'd be a solid lefty to add to the mix in the top 100 or so picks, wouldn't he?

 

Vanegas is draft eligible but he's a righty. I'd say he's more a top 250 guy or lower.

 

Thanks Raisin, not sure why I thought he was a lefty. I remember he was hyped coming out of HS and he wanted huge money to be swayed. Without looking him up, I guess he's not progressed a ton since then.

[davell]

Abty, not THE PSD insider, but the guy who has scouting contacts on some level and writes for pinetarpress.com passed on lots of nuggets just now. Astros very close on Appel, Twins want either Buxton or Correa. Seattle wants Buxton or Gausman. Baltimore wants Zimmer. KC is a lock with Gausman, if he's there. He's their top ranked guy. Cubs would then take Zunino, who's 4th on their big board. Behind Appel, Gausman, and Buxton. Giolito is the complete wildcard, as he evidently was first on our big board, pre injury. Most teams in front of us have already eliminated him and some think he has a prearranged deal with the Pads at 7.

[El Duderino]

Zunino would be cool beans. Is he advanced enough to be up in 2013?

[Guest]

Zunino is the last of the top guys I'm interested in.

[PriortoTheoIhadWood]

Zunino would be cool beans. Is he advanced enough to be up in 2013?

 

Very late could be a possibility, but I do think he's polished enough to make an impact in 2014.

 

Yep, there's pretty much no way they can mess up this pick.

[Guest]

Zunino would be cool beans. Is he advanced enough to be up in 2013?

 

Maybe September but probably not.

[davell]

Zunino would be cool beans. Is he advanced enough to be up in 2013?

Nah, he's not Posey or Wieters. I'd say sometime in 2014 seems realistic.

[Guest]

Zunino would be cool beans. Is he advanced enough to be up in 2013?

 

Maybe September but probably not.

My impression is that Zunino doesn't really have the power to be a real impact bat downstream. Am I offbase there?

[Guest]

Zunino would be cool beans. Is he advanced enough to be up in 2013?

 

Maybe September but probably not.

My impression is that Zunino doesn't really have the power to be a real impact bat downstream. Am I offbase there?

 

He's getting Varitek comps - I think 15-20 HR power in a career year is what you're hoping for.

[davell]

Zunino would be cool beans. Is he advanced enough to be up in 2013?

 

Maybe September but probably not.

My impression is that Zunino doesn't really have the power to be a real impact bat downstream. Am I offbase there?

Most see him as an above average starter, but not a star. 20ish homers seems realistic.

[Guest]

Zunino would be cool beans. Is he advanced enough to be up in 2013?

 

Maybe September but probably not.

My impression is that Zunino doesn't really have the power to be a real impact bat downstream. Am I offbase there?

 

He's getting Varitek comps - I think 15-20 HR power in a career year is what you're hoping for.

Yeah, I'd rather have the big three HS position players or the primary pitchers than Zunino.

[Guest]

Speaking of lefties, is AJ Vanegas draft eligible? Garrioch keeps putting him in his stuff, but I don't see him elsewhere. If so, he'd be a solid lefty to add to the mix in the top 100 or so picks, wouldn't he?

 

Vanegas is draft eligible but he's a righty. I'd say he's more a top 250 guy or lower.

 

Thanks Raisin, not sure why I thought he was a lefty. I remember he was hyped coming out of HS and he wanted huge money to be swayed. Without looking him up, I guess he's not progressed a ton since then.

 

He was bad last year (very bad control) but has improved enough to be a key set-up guy and spot starter this year. His control is still very poor and he's had a few chances to be Stanford's Sunday starter and hasn't won the job. His stuff is still good.

[PriortoTheoIhadWood]

Mooneyham, the big Stanford lefty who can hit 95 and spin a good curveball, struck out 10 over 7 innings against Utah. He's thrown 13 scoreless innings over his last two starts.

[RammyFanny]

Originally Posted by ABTY7 View Post

 

O's have ruled out Giolito, as have the M's, Royals and Pirates...M's are locked into Buxton, Appel and Gausman... Based on everything I've been able to obtain the draft is likely to unfold like:

 

Astros- Appel (barring an injury, I'm told this is just about done)

Twins- Buxton or Correa (They are VERY, VERY in on him)

M's- Buxton or Correa

O's- Zimmer

KC- Gausman (LOCK- sans O's or M's switching to Gausman; he's the guy Dayton Moore has wanted from day one)

Cubs- Zunino... May not like it but I've been told Zunino is 4th on the Hoyer/McLeod big board behind Appel, Gausman and Buxton and slightly ahead of Correa-- XFactor is Giolito, whom the FO had as the top overall talent prior to injury)

Padres- Byrnes likes Marrero an awful lot but the Padres have apparently had more exposure to Giolito's medicals than any other team... A lot of chatter that Giolito to the Padres is already done...

 

Grain of salt but he does know scouts.

http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?t=719533&page=13

[El Duderino]

Who "may not like it"? I haven't seen anything bad written about Zunino besides the fact that he doesn't have great power.

[Guest]

Mooneyham, the big Stanford lefty who can hit 95 and spin a good curveball, struck out 10 over 7 innings against Utah. He's thrown 13 scoreless innings over his last two starts.

 

Mooneyham has topped out at 93 this year and has mostly been 88-91.

 

Plus Utah is horrible at baseball.

[Guest]

Who "may not like it"? I haven't seen anything bad written about Zunino besides the fact that he doesn't have great power.

 

He doesn't have game-changing potential.

[davell]

Who "may not like it"? I haven't seen anything bad written about Zunino besides the fact that he doesn't have great power.

To play devil's advocate, because I like Zunino quite a bit personally, most that don't like him point to him struggling inside the SEC this year and getting his numbers outside the conference.

[El Duderino]

Who "may not like it"? I haven't seen anything bad written about Zunino besides the fact that he doesn't have great power.

 

He doesn't have game-changing potential.

 

Who does if that situation that was posted goes down? Almora?

[Guest]

Who "may not like it"? I haven't seen anything bad written about Zunino besides the fact that he doesn't have great power.

 

He doesn't have game-changing potential.

 

Who does if that situation that was posted goes down? Almora?

 

Yeah, he's the best bet for a high ceiling if you don't count Giolito. Maybe McCullers if you think he can start in the big leagues.

 

That said, Zunino is probably the safest pick in the top 10.

[iowahawkeyes89]

I'll be disappointed if we take Zunino.

 

I know that sounds odd, but I really think the Cubs system is lacking impact talent right now. At 6, I think thats what needs to happen.

 

Zunino profiles as a solid every day player, but not an all star.

[Guest]

I'll be disappointed if we take Zunino.

 

I know that sounds odd, but I really think the Cubs system is lacking impact talent right now. At 6, I think thats what needs to happen.

 

Zunino profiles as a solid every day player, but not an all star.

 

Given the position, I could easily see Zunino getting a few all star nods.

[davell]

Chris Crawford, of MlbDraftInsider, just posted his latest mock. His top 5, go Appel, Buxton, Zunino, Gausman, and Giolito. Has us taking Correa, with 7-10 going Almora, Marrero, McCullers, and Fried. Zimmer falls to 13 with the White Sox. Has us taking Martin Agosto and Kieran Lovegrove with our supplemental picks.

[Guest]

I mean, I'm sure there are good reasons to think that Zunino might not be a slugger at the MLB level, but he sure hits a lot of 2B and HR in college. There have been 4 catcher seasons with more than 25 HR in the last 5 years, and 3 of them come from Napoli and Santana who aren't exclusively catchers. I think the type of peak being attributed to Zunino is undervalued here.