06/05 Cubs (Z) @ Cards (Carpenter) 1:15 CDT, CSN/TBS

[illiniguy]

The really bad part about this is most of us saw this train wreck coming about a year and a half ago. Maybe Jim did too, but just tied his hands so badly with contracts he was helpless. Even then the Garza trade makes zero sense. In conclusion it sucks being a Cub fan right now.

[MADD_DOG_31]

hes been complete garbage since april just like the previous 3 years

 

Incorrect. Please either do a couple minutes' worth of research or just stop posting this nonsense.

 

In May he hit .247 w/ 5 extra base hits and 2 RBI

In June hes hitting .235 w/ 2 extra base hits and 2 rbi so far

 

what is good about a corner outfielder that has done this 3 years in a row and is making this year his 4th

[XZero771679666304]

hes been complete garbage since april just like the previous 3 years

 

 

He had an .885 OPS after the ASB last year and hasn't been terrible after April this year, just slightly below average. And he's OPSing .929 so far in June and carrying an OBP over .400 and playing great defense.

 

Try again.

[Tarver]

Albert's gleeful prance to home plate is what I will be doing when the Cubs sign him.

 

Why don't you just ask him out.

 

If only he would have me.

 

Throw on blonde wig, slip some roofies in his milk and you're golden.

[Sammy Sofa]

Why doesn't the Garza trade make any sense? He's a very, very good pitcher who is only 27 and who isn't a FA until 2014.

[UMFan83]

What time is the Hee Haw marathon starting in the St. Louis area?

[illiniguy]

Why doesn't the Garza trade make any sense? He's a very, very good pitcher who is only 27 and who isn't a FA until 2014.

Just thinking from we were are at we need to be hoarding prospects and we gave away two pretty good ones.

[Sammy Sofa]

hes been complete garbage since april just like the previous 3 years

 

Incorrect. Please either do a couple minutes' worth of research or just stop posting this nonsense.

 

In May he hit .247 w/ 5 extra base hits and 2 RBI

In June hes hitting .235 w/ 2 extra base hits and 2 rbi so far

 

what is good about a corner outfielder that has done this 3 years in a row and is making this year his 4th

 

Because he also gets on base and plays excellent defense. Yeah, it would be nice if he had more power, but that doesn't have to be the only way he is valuable to this team. You're completely ignoring everything that he brings to the team to focus only on power and BA. His 122 OPS+ is very telling in this regard.

Edited June 5, 2011 by Sammy Sofa

[Sammy Sofa]

Why doesn't the Garza trade make any sense? He's a very, very good pitcher who is only 27 and who isn't a FA until 2014.

Just thinking from we were are at we need to be hoarding prospects and we gave away two pretty good ones.

 

The Cubs don't need to be hoarding prospects; most prospects do not pan out. They need to continue improving the farm system so that you can both develop players internally and have the resources to make trades for valuable players like Garza when they're available.

[illiniguy]

Why doesn't the Garza trade make any sense? He's a very, very good pitcher who is only 27 and who isn't a FA until 2014.

Just thinking from we were are at we need to be hoarding prospects and we gave away two pretty good ones.

 

The Cubs don't need to be hoarding prospects; most prospects do not pan out. They need to continue improving the farm system so that you can both develop players internally and have the resources to make trades for valuable players like Garza when they're available.

Eh I guess. I just wasn't a fan of the trade. I think we should be in full rebuilding mode.

[UMFan83]

I am so angry at the Cubs....I am especially the most mad about our young, team controlled offseason acquisition who has been the best starting pitcher on the team, and the hitter, on a team with horrible plate discipline, that has the best OBP on the team and has probably been the 2nd best overall hitter.

 

Oh and we probably shouldn't sign Albert Pujols because he'll probably have the worst season of his career, which would be the 2nd best season by a Cub since 2002.

[Sammy Sofa]

Why doesn't the Garza trade make any sense? He's a very, very good pitcher who is only 27 and who isn't a FA until 2014.

Just thinking from we were are at we need to be hoarding prospects and we gave away two pretty good ones.

 

The Cubs don't need to be hoarding prospects; most prospects do not pan out. They need to continue improving the farm system so that you can both develop players internally and have the resources to make trades for valuable players like Garza when they're available.

Eh I guess. I just wasn't a fan of the trade. I think we should be in full rebuilding mode.

 

I understand, but "hoarding" prospects isn't automatically rebuilding. Adding a guy like Garza IS rebuilding.

[XZero771679666304]

Why doesn't the Garza trade make any sense? He's a very, very good pitcher who is only 27 and who isn't a FA until 2014.

Just thinking from we were are at we need to be hoarding prospects and we gave away two pretty good ones.

 

The Cubs don't need to be hoarding prospects; most prospects do not pan out. They need to continue improving the farm system so that you can both develop players internally and have the resources to make trades for valuable players like Garza when they're available.

 

We traded away two good prospects who may or may not pan out for an in-his-prime front of the rotation pitcher under team control for 3 more years. I don't see a problem here.

[Tarver]

Just so long as they don't rush him back. Seriously, if Garza has a hangnail, just put him on the 60 day. Cashner can take his time too.

[illiniguy]

Why doesn't the Garza trade make any sense? He's a very, very good pitcher who is only 27 and who isn't a FA until 2014.

Just thinking from we were are at we need to be hoarding prospects and we gave away two pretty good ones.

 

The Cubs don't need to be hoarding prospects; most prospects do not pan out. They need to continue improving the farm system so that you can both develop players internally and have the resources to make trades for valuable players like Garza when they're available.

 

We traded away two good prospects who may or may not pan out for an in-his-prime front of the rotation pitcher under team control for 3 more years. I don't see a problem here.

We probably won't be good for those three years. I'd rather keep the two younger kids, but that's just my personal prefenrence. I don't think Jim should be fired over that trade or anything.

[XZero771679666304]

Why doesn't the Garza trade make any sense? He's a very, very good pitcher who is only 27 and who isn't a FA until 2014.

Just thinking from we were are at we need to be hoarding prospects and we gave away two pretty good ones.

 

The Cubs don't need to be hoarding prospects; most prospects do not pan out. They need to continue improving the farm system so that you can both develop players internally and have the resources to make trades for valuable players like Garza when they're available.

 

We traded away two good prospects who may or may not pan out for an in-his-prime front of the rotation pitcher under team control for 3 more years. I don't see a problem here.

We probably won't be good for those three years. I'd rather keep the two younger kids, but that's just my personal prefenrence. I don't think Jim should be fired over that trade or anything.

 

If things go reasonably well this offseason, this team has a good chance to compete in 2012 and a great chance in 2013 and 2014. A lot of money coming off the books, good FA hitting the market and a couple good looking kids nearing the big team. Fortunes could change in a hurry.

[Sammy Sofa]

We probably won't be good for those three years. I'd rather keep the two younger kids, but that's just my personal prefenrence. I don't think Jim should be fired over that trade or anything.

 

I understand it's you opinion, but I'm sorry, the bold part is a terrible reason to not dramatically improve your team, especially not for the sake of holding on to the prospects who like will have nothing close to the impact a player like Garza does. Avoiding being bad for prolonged periods of time hinges on having more players like Garza.

[illiniguy]

We probably won't be good for those three years. I'd rather keep the two younger kids, but that's just my personal prefenrence. I don't think Jim should be fired over that trade or anything.

 

I understand it's you opinion, but I'm sorry, the bold part is a terrible reason to not dramatically improve your team, especially not for the sake of holding on to the prospects who like will have nothing close to the impact a player like Garza does. Avoiding being bad for prolonged periods of time hinges on having more players like Garza.

I just am all for doing this for good hitters, we have sucked at developing them. Had we done that deal for David Wright, cool. But we have developed a lot of nice pitchers of late. I hate trading away prospects for them.

[XZero771679666304]

We probably won't be good for those three years. I'd rather keep the two younger kids, but that's just my personal prefenrence. I don't think Jim should be fired over that trade or anything.

 

I understand it's you opinion, but I'm sorry, the bold part is a terrible reason to not dramatically improve your team, especially not for the sake of holding on to the prospects who like will have nothing close to the impact a player like Garza does. Avoiding being bad for prolonged periods of time hinges on having more players like Garza.

I just am all for doing this for good hitters, we have sucked at developing them. Had we done that deal for David Wright, cool. But we have developed a lot of nice pitchers of later. I hate trading away prospects for them.

 

Who is the front of the rotation starter we've developed? Z?

 

Archer's ceiling is probably Garza, but with his control problems it's no guarantee he'll even approach that. Trading Hak-Ju Lee irked me a bit, but he was an A ball player. The rest of the players were filler.

 

Dempster is getting older and Z may not be around much longer. I think the Garza trade was a pretty astute move, actually.

[Guest]

We probably won't be good for those three years. I'd rather keep the two younger kids, but that's just my personal prefenrence. I don't think Jim should be fired over that trade or anything.

 

I understand it's you opinion, but I'm sorry, the bold part is a terrible reason to not dramatically improve your team, especially not for the sake of holding on to the prospects who like will have nothing close to the impact a player like Garza does. Avoiding being bad for prolonged periods of time hinges on having more players like Garza.

I just am all for doing this for good hitters, we have sucked at developing them. Had we done that deal for David Wright, cool. But we have developed a lot of nice pitchers of later. I hate trading away prospects for them.

 

Who is the front of the rotation starter we've developed? Z?

 

Archer's ceiling is probably Garza, but with his control problems it's no guarantee he'll even approach that. Trading Hak-Ju Lee irked me a bit, but he was an A ball player. The rest of the players were filler.

 

Dempster is getting older and Z may not be around much longer. I think the Garza trade was a pretty astute move, actually.

Z, Prior, Wood

[Sammy Sofa]

We probably won't be good for those three years. I'd rather keep the two younger kids, but that's just my personal prefenrence. I don't think Jim should be fired over that trade or anything.

 

I understand it's you opinion, but I'm sorry, the bold part is a terrible reason to not dramatically improve your team, especially not for the sake of holding on to the prospects who like will have nothing close to the impact a player like Garza does. Avoiding being bad for prolonged periods of time hinges on having more players like Garza.

I just am all for doing this for good hitters, we have sucked at developing them. Had we done that deal for David Wright, cool. But we have developed a lot of nice pitchers of later. I hate trading away prospects for them.

 

Who is the front of the rotation starter we've developed? Z?

 

Archer's ceiling is probably Garza, but with his control problems it's no guarantee he'll even approach that. Trading Hak-Ju Lee irked me a bit, but he was an A ball player. The rest of the players were filler.

 

Dempster is getting older and Z may not be around much longer. I think the Garza trade was a pretty astute move, actually.

Z, Prior, Wood

 

And we're approaching a decade since the last of them showed up.

[XZero771679666304]

We probably won't be good for those three years. I'd rather keep the two younger kids, but that's just my personal prefenrence. I don't think Jim should be fired over that trade or anything.

 

I understand it's you opinion, but I'm sorry, the bold part is a terrible reason to not dramatically improve your team, especially not for the sake of holding on to the prospects who like will have nothing close to the impact a player like Garza does. Avoiding being bad for prolonged periods of time hinges on having more players like Garza.

I just am all for doing this for good hitters, we have sucked at developing them. Had we done that deal for David Wright, cool. But we have developed a lot of nice pitchers of later. I hate trading away prospects for them.

 

Who is the front of the rotation starter we've developed? Z?

 

Archer's ceiling is probably Garza, but with his control problems it's no guarantee he'll even approach that. Trading Hak-Ju Lee irked me a bit, but he was an A ball player. The rest of the players were filler.

 

Dempster is getting older and Z may not be around much longer. I think the Garza trade was a pretty astute move, actually.

Z, Prior, Wood

 

Yeah, that's what I was driving at. It's been quite a while since we developed a really good starter. And Prior is a stretch since he was practically a can't miss player who spent little time in the minors.

[Hall7810]

Apparently, Z ripped Marmol in his post-game comments.

[Guest]

Apparently, Z ripped Marmol in his post-game comments.

 

http://muskat.mlblogs.com/2011/06/05/65-big-z-we-stink/

 

“The problem wasn’t Pujols,” Zambrano said. ” The problem was the previous at-bat. We should know better than this. We played like a Triple-A team. This is embarrassing, embarrassing for the team, for the owners, for the fans. Embarrassing. That’s the word for this team. We should know better than this, we should know better than we did on the field. We should know that Ryan Theriot is not a good fastball hitter. We should know that as a team. We should play better here. We stink. That’s all I’ve got to say.”

 

In case you weren’t watching, Theriot hit a game-tying RBI double in the ninth off Marmol, hitting a slider. Marmol apparently shook off catcher Koyie Hill, who wanted him to throw a fastball.

[NOLA]

Thank you Z. I was beginning to wonder if anybody was willing to stand up and get a little pissed.

 

I'm looking at you Quade.