Mets doing some spring cleaning?

[BeerHere]

I'll take David Wright for Aramis and prospects. GIve them an expiring contract to save money and some decent arms for the future.

 

an expiring contract? this isn't the nba.

 

Wouldn't that potentially have some appeal to a team in serious financial trouble?

 

Thank you. The mets are so bad off right now that they need to start shipping guys out quickly. I'm pretty sure they are 600 million in the hole and no one is going to their games. But yeah the mets would take some back lash for trading wright so they would at least need to feign competitiveness by picking up a deteriorating veteran who they arent on the hook for past this year. all the while picking up pitchers which is the biggest reason why they have sucked for the last 8 years.

They are looking to sell a percentage of the team to get some ready cash. Making the team less valuable isn't in their best interests. I highly doubt they trade Wright but I could see Reyes go.

[Backtobanks]

I'll take David Wright for Aramis and prospects. GIve them an expiring contract to save money and some decent arms for the future.

 

an expiring contract? this isn't the nba.

 

Wouldn't that potentially have some appeal to a team in serious financial trouble?

 

Thank you. The mets are so bad off right now that they need to start shipping guys out quickly. I'm pretty sure they are 600 million in the hole and no one is going to their games. But yeah the mets would take some back lash for trading wright so they would at least need to feign competitiveness by picking up a deteriorating veteran who they arent on the hook for past this year. all the while picking up pitchers which is the biggest reason why they have sucked for the last 8 years.

They are looking to sell a percentage of the team to get some ready cash. Making the team less valuable isn't in their best interests. I highly doubt they trade Wright but I could see Reyes go.

 

Reyes and Beltran (if they can find a taker while eating some of his contract).

[Guest]

What would it take to get Carlos Beltran? He's up to a .977 OPS after hitting three HRs tonight but was at .893 coming into the game. He looks like he's healthy again and has only missed one game so far. He does have a full no-trade clause but his contract is up after this year.

[Little Slide Rooter]

What would it take to get Carlos Beltran? He's up to a .977 OPS after hitting three HRs tonight but was at .893 coming into the game. He looks like he's healthy again and has only missed one game so far. He does have a full no-trade clause but his contract is up after this year.

 

Assuming he could stay healthy, he would be the 3 hitter this team so desperately needs. However, that is a big assumption. If The Mets would do it as a salary dump,assuming we have the money Id be all for it, considering this division is still winnable. However, considering Beltrans injury history an the fact that hes a rental, I wouldnt give up too much in prospects. Maybe theyd take Byrd and a few solid but not top prospects plus cash. However, if we were to make such a deal, we may end up scrambling for a RF next year, unless theyre content with some kind of Colvin/Johnson platoon.

[apete6]

What would it take to get Carlos Beltran? He's up to a .977 OPS after hitting three HRs tonight but was at .893 coming into the game. He looks like he's healthy again and has only missed one game so far. He does have a full no-trade clause but his contract is up after this year.

 

Assuming he could stay healthy, he would be the 3 hitter this team so desperately needs. However, that is a big assumption. If The Mets would do it as a salary dump,assuming we have the money Id be all for it, considering this division is still winnable. However, considering Beltrans injury history an the fact that hes a rental, I wouldnt give up too much in prospects. Maybe theyd take Byrd and a few solid but not top prospects plus cash. However, if we were to make such a deal, we may end up scrambling for a RF next year, unless theyre content with some kind of Colvin/Johnson platoon.

 

Also, hasn't Carlos Beltran been proven as a contract year monster?

[Sammy Sofa]

What would it take to get Carlos Beltran? He's up to a .977 OPS after hitting three HRs tonight but was at .893 coming into the game. He looks like he's healthy again and has only missed one game so far. He does have a full no-trade clause but his contract is up after this year.

 

Assuming he could stay healthy, he would be the 3 hitter this team so desperately needs. However, that is a big assumption. If The Mets would do it as a salary dump,assuming we have the money Id be all for it, considering this division is still winnable. However, considering Beltrans injury history an the fact that hes a rental, I wouldnt give up too much in prospects. Maybe theyd take Byrd and a few solid but not top prospects plus cash. However, if we were to make such a deal, we may end up scrambling for a RF next year, unless theyre content with some kind of Colvin/Johnson platoon.

 

Also, hasn't Carlos Beltran been proven as a contract year monster?

 

Based on what?

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/beltrca01.shtml

[Productive Outs]

Wright's contract...

 

2011 - $14m

2012 - $15m

2013 - $16m team option/$1m buyout

 

I'd give serious thought to trading them Brett Jackson/Trey McNutt/Andrew Cashner for Wright. The only thing that gives me pause is that Wright's defense at 3B fell off a cliff in 2009 and doesn't seem to have recovered since then.

 

what about his declining offensive statistics? his wOBA, K%, HR/FB, GB%, etc, all have declined since his elite years. basically, he's been a 4 win player since 2009.

[Guest]

Wright's contract...

 

2011 - $14m

2012 - $15m

2013 - $16m team option/$1m buyout

 

I'd give serious thought to trading them Brett Jackson/Trey McNutt/Andrew Cashner for Wright. The only thing that gives me pause is that Wright's defense at 3B fell off a cliff in 2009 and doesn't seem to have recovered since then.

 

what about his declining offensive statistics? his wOBA, K%, HR/FB, GB%, etc, all have declined since his elite years. basically, he's been a 4 win player since 2009.

Without looking it up, how much of the decline in production coincides with the opening of the new ballpark?

 

 

--- eta

 

He's been declining everywhere and has been better at home. Unless the team thinks there's something fixable there, I wouldn't spend the money on him at this point. He seems like a pretty big risk for the cash.

[apete6]

What would it take to get Carlos Beltran? He's up to a .977 OPS after hitting three HRs tonight but was at .893 coming into the game. He looks like he's healthy again and has only missed one game so far. He does have a full no-trade clause but his contract is up after this year.

 

Assuming he could stay healthy, he would be the 3 hitter this team so desperately needs. However, that is a big assumption. If The Mets would do it as a salary dump,assuming we have the money Id be all for it, considering this division is still winnable. However, considering Beltrans injury history an the fact that hes a rental, I wouldnt give up too much in prospects. Maybe theyd take Byrd and a few solid but not top prospects plus cash. However, if we were to make such a deal, we may end up scrambling for a RF next year, unless theyre content with some kind of Colvin/Johnson platoon.

 

Also, hasn't Carlos Beltran been proven as a contract year monster?

 

Based on what?

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/beltrca01.shtml

 

Yeah, I guess it was that awful 1st year in NY and the recent injuries that are tainting my view of him. BTW if we would have traded for him instead of Nomar in 2004, we may have won the title. I loved him then.

 

But now, why trade for him unless we are going to get an extension? And along those lines, would it be wise to invest in Beltran and possibly prevent us from getting Pujols or Prince?

[Sammy Sofa]

And as much as I like Beltran, it doesn't seem too wise to be investing in mid-30's OF if Pujols is going to be the main target if he makes it to FA (though, yes, they could afford both).

[Little Slide Rooter]

And as much as I like Beltran, it doesn't seem too wise to be investing in mid-30's OF if Pujols is going to be the main target if he makes it to FA (though, yes, they could afford both).

 

But if we could get him as rental in a desperate attempt to make this season count, would you be interested? Assuming we have enough money, and assuming that The Mets were more interested in salary dump and a few solid prospects as opposed to wanting top prospects? I think it would be worth it. We could either send them Byrd in the deal, or else try to turn and move Fukudome. All of the sudden,

 

Castro

Barney

Beltran

Aramis

Pena

Soriano

Byrd

Soto(when back)

 

looks like a lineup that could really hang.

[Sammy Sofa]

And as much as I like Beltran, it doesn't seem too wise to be investing in mid-30's OF if Pujols is going to be the main target if he makes it to FA (though, yes, they could afford both).

 

But if we could get him as rental in a desperate attempt to make this season count, would you be interested?

 

Not really, since it would likely require giving up too many promising prospects and/or players on the team that could be better dealt for the Cubs' future.

[Little Slide Rooter]

And as much as I like Beltran, it doesn't seem too wise to be investing in mid-30's OF if Pujols is going to be the main target if he makes it to FA (though, yes, they could afford both).

 

But if we could get him as rental in a desperate attempt to make this season count, would you be interested?

 

Not really, since it would likely require giving up too many promising prospects and/or players on the team that could be better dealt for the Cubs' future.

I have to disagree. My though all along has been that the main thing that keeps this team back is the lack of that 1 elite hitter, which is what a healthy Beltran would be.

[Sammy Sofa]

And as much as I like Beltran, it doesn't seem too wise to be investing in mid-30's OF if Pujols is going to be the main target if he makes it to FA (though, yes, they could afford both).

 

But if we could get him as rental in a desperate attempt to make this season count, would you be interested?

 

Not really, since it would likely require giving up too many promising prospects and/or players on the team that could be better dealt for the Cubs' future.

I have to disagree. My though all along has been that the main thing that keeps this team back is the lack of that 1 elite hitter, which is what a healthy Beltran would be.

 

That has nothing to with my post, so I don't know what you're disagreeing with. What I'M disagreeing with is needlessly giving up valuable parts for a 1-year rental. It's not like this is a good Cubs team that just needs one part to push it over the top.

[Little Slide Rooter]

And as much as I like Beltran, it doesn't seem too wise to be investing in mid-30's OF if Pujols is going to be the main target if he makes it to FA (though, yes, they could afford both).

 

But if we could get him as rental in a desperate attempt to make this season count, would you be interested?

 

Not really, since it would likely require giving up too many promising prospects and/or players on the team that could be better dealt for the Cubs' future.

I have to disagree. My though all along has been that the main thing that keeps this team back is the lack of that 1 elite hitter, which is what a healthy Beltran would be.

 

That has nothing to with my post, so I don't know what you're disagreeing with. What I'M disagreeing with is needlessly giving up valuable parts for a 1-year rental. It's not like this is a good Cubs team that just needs one part to push it over the top.

 

My point was that if we could get him without giving too much in prospects, and more in the form of a salary dump. The thing is, I dont see this being a fire sale year. If it was, in July we could get some decent prospects for Fukudeom, Pena, Wood, and Aramis if they decide they arent going to pick up his extension. However, while I dont see them in serious contention as is, I also dont see them far enough back that they cash in these expiring contracts, which is why we should make a go for it. With 1 elite bat in what is a very solid lineup, we could really contend. Hendrys strong point is going out and aquiring these expiring contracts, and giving up minimal value in return. Between Hendrys 3 big mid season aquisitions, Aramis, Nomar, and Harden he didnt give up a single thing that weve missed.

[Sammy Sofa]

I am baffled as to how you think this is a good idea. Beltran is old, and while he would likely be a nice bump this year he should have absolutely no roll in the Cubs' future. He's still a very useful player for the right team, so it's not like the Mets are just going to give him up for the hypothetical peanuts deal you think the Cubs could get away with. When the Mets trade him, and if they trade Wright and/or Reyes, it's going to be them asking for players that are potentially going to be able to help the rebuild, not swapping expiring contracts. It's a waste of resources to go after Beltran when the Cubs are fielding a very mediocre team. He's not going to put them over the top.

 

And why do you keep insisting on listing Wood if the Cubs were to go into fire sale mode? Even if they did they wouldn't move Wood. It's obvious he was signed at a drastically reduced rate so he could retire as a Cub. It's ridiculous to think they're going to deep-six that and trade him even if he was having a great year come the deadline.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I am baffled as to how you think this is a good idea. Beltran is old, and while he would likely be a nice bump this year he should have absolutely no roll in the Cubs' future. He's still a very useful player for the right team, so it's not like the Mets are just going to give him up for the hypothetical peanuts deal you think the Cubs could get away with. When the Mets trade him, and if they trade Wright and/or Reyes, it's going to be them asking for players that are potentially going to be able to help the rebuild, not swapping expiring contracts. It's a waste of resources to go after Beltran when the Cubs are fielding a very mediocre team. He's not going to put them over the top.

 

And why do you keep insisting on listing Wood if the Cubs were to go into fire sale mode? Even if they did they wouldn't move Wood. It's obvious he was signed at a drastically reduced rate so he could retire as a Cub. It's ridiculous to think they're going to deep-six that and trade him even if he was having a great year come the deadline.

 

Im not saying for the future. Im speaking as a rental. Im still al about Pujols or Fielder for next year. By then, Brett jackson should be taking over CF, with Byrd in RF if hes still around, if not, Colvin or Option C. All Im saying is that IF Hendry can pull a rabbit out of a hat, get Beltran for a reasonable price, and let him walk at the end of they year, I would be all for it. Id be OK trading some solid prospects, but nothing along the lines of Jackson, McNutt, or Cashner. I want to enjoy this season. 1 elite bat could make that happen. Its not like wed be trying to build around him with the Astros or Padres.

[Guest]

We have to hear back on Jackson's hand injury and how much of the season he's going to miss. He may very well not be ready for the majors at the start of the year next year if he misses too much time.

[KingCubsFan]

I am baffled as to how you think this is a good idea. Beltran is old, and while he would likely be a nice bump this year he should have absolutely no roll in the Cubs' future. He's still a very useful player for the right team, so it's not like the Mets are just going to give him up for the hypothetical peanuts deal you think the Cubs could get away with. When the Mets trade him, and if they trade Wright and/or Reyes, it's going to be them asking for players that are potentially going to be able to help the rebuild, not swapping expiring contracts. It's a waste of resources to go after Beltran when the Cubs are fielding a very mediocre team. He's not going to put them over the top.

 

And why do you keep insisting on listing Wood if the Cubs were to go into fire sale mode? Even if they did they wouldn't move Wood. It's obvious he was signed at a drastically reduced rate so he could retire as a Cub. It's ridiculous to think they're going to deep-six that and trade him even if he was having a great year come the deadline.

 

Im not saying for the future. Im speaking as a rental. Im still al about Pujols or Fielder for next year. By then, Brett jackson should be taking over CF, with Byrd in RF if hes still around, if not, Colvin or Option C. All Im saying is that IF Hendry can pull a rabbit out of a hat, get Beltran for a reasonable price, and let him walk at the end of they year, I would be all for it. Id be OK trading some solid prospects, but nothing along the lines of Jackson, McNutt, or Cashner. I want to enjoy this season. 1 elite bat could make that happen. Its not like wed be trying to build around him with the Astros or Padres.

Enjoy the season by watching Starlin Castro. There's no reason to trade anything for a rental, this team has too many holes. They need to be in the business of building as many assets as possible, not giving them away.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I am baffled as to how you think this is a good idea. Beltran is old, and while he would likely be a nice bump this year he should have absolutely no roll in the Cubs' future. He's still a very useful player for the right team, so it's not like the Mets are just going to give him up for the hypothetical peanuts deal you think the Cubs could get away with. When the Mets trade him, and if they trade Wright and/or Reyes, it's going to be them asking for players that are potentially going to be able to help the rebuild, not swapping expiring contracts. It's a waste of resources to go after Beltran when the Cubs are fielding a very mediocre team. He's not going to put them over the top.

 

And why do you keep insisting on listing Wood if the Cubs were to go into fire sale mode? Even if they did they wouldn't move Wood. It's obvious he was signed at a drastically reduced rate so he could retire as a Cub. It's ridiculous to think they're going to deep-six that and trade him even if he was having a great year come the deadline.

 

Im not saying for the future. Im speaking as a rental. Im still al about Pujols or Fielder for next year. By then, Brett jackson should be taking over CF, with Byrd in RF if hes still around, if not, Colvin or Option C. All Im saying is that IF Hendry can pull a rabbit out of a hat, get Beltran for a reasonable price, and let him walk at the end of they year, I would be all for it. Id be OK trading some solid prospects, but nothing along the lines of Jackson, McNutt, or Cashner. I want to enjoy this season. 1 elite bat could make that happen. Its not like wed be trying to build around him with the Astros or Padres.

Enjoy the season by watching Starlin Castro. There's no reason to trade anything for a rental, this team has too many holes. They need to be in the business of building as many assets as possible, not giving them away.

 

What holes? We have 2: back of the rotation, which will hopefully be resolved when Wells and Cashner return and a 3 hitter which Beltran would be. Other than that, were very solid up and down the lineup, probably more so than most NL teams.

[Sammy Sofa]

Again, you're inexplicably focused on this year like it's something that needs to bolstered. It's not. "Holes" can easily refer to the key positions that need to be filled next year with Pena and Fukudome gone and a good chance that Aramis is bought out. That's 3 key positions the Cubs need to fill, and trading away valuable pieces (be they players of the future for the Cubs or parts in much more valuable trades) for half a season of Carols Beltran doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Again, you're inexplicably focused on this year like it's something that needs to bolstered. It's not. "Holes" can easily refer to the key positions that need to be filled next year with Pena and Fukudome gone and a good chance that Aramis is bought out. That's 3 key positions the Cubs need to fill, and trading away valuable pieces (be they players of the future for the Cubs or parts in much more valuable trades) for half a season of Carols Beltran doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

 

Because theres a good chance that The Cubs will be at a crossroads after this year. With key players leaving in the next few years, this could be the last chance, depending on what they decide to do in the offseason. When opening day 2013 rolls around, who from this bunch do you expect to see? If we dont get a Pujols or Fielder this winter, it could be a long few years. Looking at the guys in our system, I see a lot of guys who could be everyday players, but no superstars, and thats what this team lacks. Our system has enough depth and the organization has enough money that we could part with some pieces and still be able to build a team in the future. However, this is a team that could win now adding a guy like Beltran to the mix.

 

With all of this being said, I really dont see it being a realistic option. We have Byrd and Fukudome for now, and Jackson and Colvin for later, so I cant imagine them chasing another outfielder. As is, we have a .500ish team, and thats probably what we'll end up with.

[Sammy Sofa]

I am baffled as to how you think is this a good idea. The whole first paragraph was, quite honestly, nonsense. Because we don't know which prospects will pan out, or if the Cubs will be able to sign any good FA's, they should inexplicably waste resources on an old Beltran for half of a season? FTH?

[Guest]

I am baffled as to how you think is this a good idea. The whole first paragraph was, quite honestly, nonsense. Because we don't know which prospects will pan out, or if the Cubs will be able to sign any good FA's, they should inexplicably waste resources on an old Beltran for half of a season? FTH?

The difference of opinion is simple: he feels the Cubs have a shot at competing this year if they get a significant upgrade at one position. You don't. Hence the varying perspectives.

 

If I felt the Cubs were one piece away AND I thought Beltran would stay healthy all year, I'd probably feel the same way. However, until I see some power from ARam, I don't think we're only missing one piece.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I am baffled as to how you think is this a good idea. The whole first paragraph was, quite honestly, nonsense. Because we don't know which prospects will pan out, or if the Cubs will be able to sign any good FA's, they should inexplicably waste resources on an old Beltran for half of a season? FTH?

 

All Im trying to say is

 

-Beltran could help us win now. Our lineup as a whole would be very good with a guy like that plugged into the 3 hole.

-Without a big FA signing in the offseason, we could be looking at an ugly few years, so if their is an opportunity to win now, Id take it.

-Most of our prospects are guys who I dont think wed ever look back on on really miss, with the possible exceptions of Brett Jackson or McNutt, who I wouldnt trade. A lot of guys who could be future everyday players, but not stars.