Daisuke?

[Little Slide Rooter]

Trade Or Release Remains Unlikely For Matsuzaka

By Ben Nicholson-Smith [April 13 at 8:44pm CST]

Daisuke Matsuzaka had already strained the patience of Red Sox Nation before this Monday’s horrendous start. Boston may skip Matsuzaka’s next outing, but talk of trading or releasing the right-hander remains premature.

 

The Red Sox aren’t about to give up on Matsuzaka, though their patience for him is dwindling, according to ESPN.com’s Jayson Stark. Releasing Matsuzaka this year is not an option, according to Steve Buckley of the Boston Herald. The Red Sox still owe Matsuzaka $10MM this year and $10MM more in 2012 and they aren’t eager to eat that much money.

 

There’s a slim possibility the Red Sox will look into deals for Matsuzaka even though he has a no-trade clause. Peter Gammons said on WEEI's Mut & Merloni show that the Red Sox could consider trading him for another player with a bad contract.

 

 

Usually, that kind of talk means they do in fact have interest in trading him. I dont think their big league club has any needs despite the rough start, but could a decent prospect package, not including McNutt, Jackson, or Vitters and pick up half the salary entice Boston? Maybe a switch out of the toghest division in baseball would be just what the doctor ordered. Id certainly rather give him a shot than some god awful combination of Coleman, Davis, Samardzjia, Russell, Diamond, god knows what else.

[Guest]

I'm not sure I would sign Matsuzaka as a minor league free agent at this point. Okay, I would do that, but he's been varying degrees of mediocre to horrible since 2008, has a monstrous contract, and has gotten rocked this year with down velocity. Giving up any type of resource for him would not be a good idea.

[Backtobanks]

Trade Or Release Remains Unlikely For Matsuzaka

By Ben Nicholson-Smith [April 13 at 8:44pm CST]

Daisuke Matsuzaka had already strained the patience of Red Sox Nation before this Monday’s horrendous start. Boston may skip Matsuzaka’s next outing, but talk of trading or releasing the right-hander remains premature.

 

The Red Sox aren’t about to give up on Matsuzaka, though their patience for him is dwindling, according to ESPN.com’s Jayson Stark. Releasing Matsuzaka this year is not an option, according to Steve Buckley of the Boston Herald. The Red Sox still owe Matsuzaka $10MM this year and $10MM more in 2012 and they aren’t eager to eat that much money.

 

There’s a slim possibility the Red Sox will look into deals for Matsuzaka even though he has a no-trade clause. Peter Gammons said on WEEI's Mut & Merloni show that the Red Sox could consider trading him for another player with a bad contract.

 

 

Usually, that kind of talk means they do in fact have interest in trading him. I dont think their big league club has any needs despite the rough start, but could a decent prospect package, not including McNutt, Jackson, or Vitters and pick up half the salary entice Boston? Maybe a switch out of the toghest division in baseball would be just what the doctor ordered. Id certainly rather give him a shot than some god awful combination of Coleman, Davis, Samardzjia, Russell, Diamond, god knows what else.

 

I guess it all depends on what you call a "decent prospect package". The talk of trading him for another bad contract and denying they will release him sounds like we shouldn't be giving up too much. Maybe 2 of the names you mentioned (Samardzjia and Diamond) would be enough with them eating half of his contract. Convincing Samardzjia to waive his NTC would also save us $3 million this year.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Trade Or Release Remains Unlikely For Matsuzaka

By Ben Nicholson-Smith [April 13 at 8:44pm CST]

Daisuke Matsuzaka had already strained the patience of Red Sox Nation before this Monday’s horrendous start. Boston may skip Matsuzaka’s next outing, but talk of trading or releasing the right-hander remains premature.

 

The Red Sox aren’t about to give up on Matsuzaka, though their patience for him is dwindling, according to ESPN.com’s Jayson Stark. Releasing Matsuzaka this year is not an option, according to Steve Buckley of the Boston Herald. The Red Sox still owe Matsuzaka $10MM this year and $10MM more in 2012 and they aren’t eager to eat that much money.

 

There’s a slim possibility the Red Sox will look into deals for Matsuzaka even though he has a no-trade clause. Peter Gammons said on WEEI's Mut & Merloni show that the Red Sox could consider trading him for another player with a bad contract.

 

 

Usually, that kind of talk means they do in fact have interest in trading him. I dont think their big league club has any needs despite the rough start, but could a decent prospect package, not including McNutt, Jackson, or Vitters and pick up half the salary entice Boston? Maybe a switch out of the toghest division in baseball would be just what the doctor ordered. Id certainly rather give him a shot than some god awful combination of Coleman, Davis, Samardzjia, Russell, Diamond, god knows what else.

 

I guess it all depends on what you call a "decent prospect package". The talk of trading him for another bad contract and denying they will release him sounds like we shouldn't be giving up too much. Maybe 2 of the names you mentioned (Samardzjia and Diamond) would be enough with them eating half of his contract. Convincing Samardzjia to waive his NTC would also save us $3 million this year.

I didn't suggest trading any of those guys for Daisuke, just that I'd rather have him than any of them. Shark might entice them somewhat, but anyone who thinks that Diamond has any value whatsoever needs to get that idea out of their heads. Maybe Shark and a few fringers. Again, it depends on how motivated they are to get him out of town. In like a weeks time we went from a very good rotation with decent depth behind it to Casey Coleman, Doug Davis, and James Russell, so yeah, I'd definitely take out a flier on Daisuke.

[Backtobanks]

Trade Or Release Remains Unlikely For Matsuzaka

By Ben Nicholson-Smith [April 13 at 8:44pm CST]

Daisuke Matsuzaka had already strained the patience of Red Sox Nation before this Monday’s horrendous start. Boston may skip Matsuzaka’s next outing, but talk of trading or releasing the right-hander remains premature.

 

The Red Sox aren’t about to give up on Matsuzaka, though their patience for him is dwindling, according to ESPN.com’s Jayson Stark. Releasing Matsuzaka this year is not an option, according to Steve Buckley of the Boston Herald. The Red Sox still owe Matsuzaka $10MM this year and $10MM more in 2012 and they aren’t eager to eat that much money.

 

There’s a slim possibility the Red Sox will look into deals for Matsuzaka even though he has a no-trade clause. Peter Gammons said on WEEI's Mut & Merloni show that the Red Sox could consider trading him for another player with a bad contract.

 

 

Usually, that kind of talk means they do in fact have interest in trading him. I dont think their big league club has any needs despite the rough start, but could a decent prospect package, not including McNutt, Jackson, or Vitters and pick up half the salary entice Boston? Maybe a switch out of the toghest division in baseball would be just what the doctor ordered. Id certainly rather give him a shot than some god awful combination of Coleman, Davis, Samardzjia, Russell, Diamond, god knows what else.

 

I guess it all depends on what you call a "decent prospect package". The talk of trading him for another bad contract and denying they will release him sounds like we shouldn't be giving up too much. Maybe 2 of the names you mentioned (Samardzjia and Diamond) would be enough with them eating half of his contract. Convincing Samardzjia to waive his NTC would also save us $3 million this year.

I didn't suggest trading any of those guys for Daisuke, just that I'd rather have him than any of them. Shark might entice them somewhat, but anyone who thinks that Diamond has any value whatsoever needs to get that idea out of their heads. Maybe Shark and a few fringers. Again, it depends on how motivated they are to get him out of town. In like a weeks time we went from a very good rotation with decent depth behind it to Casey Coleman, Doug Davis, and James Russell, so yeah, I'd definitely take out a flier on Daisuke.

 

I realize you didn't mention those players as players to trade, but Samardzjia would be a good choice to go. Dierkes on MLBTR wondered if he was rushed too much and said he can't see Samardzjia in the Cubs' system next year. Might as well trade him now and save some of his contract.

[abuck1220]

the $2 mil owed to samardzija and the $20 mil owed to dice-k seem like a good financial match.

[Rob]

Leaving aside the question of whether he'd be a good idea to acquire, why give up anything when the odds are so good we could get him for the prorated league minimum later? He's looking like he'll earn his release pretty soon at this pace.

[Backtobanks]

Leaving aside the question of whether he'd be a good idea to acquire, why give up anything when the odds are so good we could get him for the prorated league minimum later? He's looking like he'll earn his release pretty soon at this pace.

 

I'm not sure he's going to be released very soon and obviously at a later date (when Wells & Cashner return) we won't need him.

[SouthSideRyan]

Leaving aside the question of whether he'd be a good idea to acquire, why give up anything when the odds are so good we could get him for the prorated league minimum later? He's looking like he'll earn his release pretty soon at this pace.

 

I'm not sure he's going to be released very soon and obviously at a later date (when Wells & Cashner return) we won't need him.

 

Then it's a hell of an investment for a guy we won't need in 2 months (hopefully at most)

[Backtobanks]

Leaving aside the question of whether he'd be a good idea to acquire, why give up anything when the odds are so good we could get him for the prorated league minimum later? He's looking like he'll earn his release pretty soon at this pace.

 

I'm not sure he's going to be released very soon and obviously at a later date (when Wells & Cashner return) we won't need him.

 

Then it's a hell of an investment for a guy we won't need in 2 months (hopefully at most)

 

That was my point of not giving up much for him at this point. If the Red Sox would pay half of his contract and take Samardzjia, the cost would be $2 million this year and $5 million next year. That might be tempting to add depth to the rotation. Also, if he shows anything he might be tradeable at some point in the future with a really affordable financial obligation.

[Rob]

Leaving aside the question of whether he'd be a good idea to acquire, why give up anything when the odds are so good we could get him for the prorated league minimum later? He's looking like he'll earn his release pretty soon at this pace.

 

I'm not sure he's going to be released very soon and obviously at a later date (when Wells & Cashner return) we won't need him.

 

Then it's a hell of an investment for a guy we won't need in 2 months (hopefully at most)

 

That was my point of not giving up much for him at this point. If the Red Sox would pay half of his contract and take Samardzjia, the cost would be $2 million this year and $5 million next year. That might be tempting to add depth to the rotation. Also, if he shows anything he might be tradeable at some point in the future with a really affordable financial obligation.

 

That's $7 million for a guy you don't want when Wells and Cashner return. Even hoping to recoup some of the money by trading him back out afterwards, you just paid out the ass for a guy who is not a good bet to be better than any of our other options... guys who will cost the league minimum.

 

Maybe it's just me, but I'd much rather spend that $7 mil on the draft, or just about any other number of things.

[TruffleShuffle]

the first post in this thread nearly made my head explode.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Leaving aside the question of whether he'd be a good idea to acquire, why give up anything when the odds are so good we could get him for the prorated league minimum later? He's looking like he'll earn his release pretty soon at this pace.

 

I'm not sure he's going to be released very soon and obviously at a later date (when Wells & Cashner return) we won't need him.

 

Then it's a hell of an investment for a guy we won't need in 2 months (hopefully at most)

 

That was my point of not giving up much for him at this point. If the Red Sox would pay half of his contract and take Samardzjia, the cost would be $2 million this year and $5 million next year. That might be tempting to add depth to the rotation. Also, if he shows anything he might be tradeable at some point in the future with a really affordable financial obligation.

 

What if they would take the contracts of both Shark and Grabow? Again, I wouldnt mind if when all was said and done, we winded up paying 5 mil a year for 2 years of Daisuke. I doubt he'll have another 2008 season, but I cant imagine him being as bad as hes been so far this year. I definitely wouldnt give up anything of value as far as prospects go. Like I said to begin with, it depends on how motivated they are to get him out of town.

[questionmarkgrace]

I would take a shot on diasuke as a fourth starter provided the prospects werent anything all that great and we ditched grabow. But the real issue is he has sucked for like 2 years now. Not sure if Riggins is a guy who can take on a reclamation project also. Either way, dude needs to find the movement he had on pitches when he was in Japan. Some of those pitches he threw like the supposed gyro ball had whiffle ball movement.

[erik316wttn]

I would take a shot on diasuke as a fourth starter provided the prospects werent anything all that great and we ditched grabow. But the real issue is he has sucked for like 2 years now. Not sure if Riggins is a guy who can take on a reclamation project also. Either way, dude needs to find the movement he had on pitches when he was in Japan. Some of those pitches he threw like the supposed gyro ball had whiffle ball movement.

 

Isn't the Japanese ball a little smaller or lighter than a standard MLB ball? I don't know if that would have anything to do with it or not. I was never any good in physics.